The Debate Club discussion

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divorce is a touchy subject in a lot of religions, im pretty sure mine too though idk, though honestly i think every couple should have a fundamental right to divorce lol

Yes it's a sin. You fell in love, that was God's intention. You cannot betray your husband now

Steve wrote: "Yes it's a sin. You fell in love, that was God's intention. You cannot betray your husband now"

What if the husband cheated on the wife, or the other way around?

Hazel wrote: "Steve wrote: "Yes it's a sin. You fell in love, that was God's intention. You cannot betray your husband now"

What if the husband cheated on the wife, or the other way around?"

That's a sin and he should turn to God and repent, but you can't solve sin with more sin

Steve wrote: "Hazel wrote: "Steve wrote: "Yes it's a sin. You fell in love, that was God's intention. You cannot betray your husband now"

What if the husband cheated on the wife, or the other way around?"

That..."

But then it's a toxic relationship, just because he repents doesn't make him any better of a husband. At the end of the day he cheated.

{Star} Tella ver~ wrote: "Steve wrote: "Hazel wrote: "Steve wrote: "Yes it's a sin. You fell in love, that was God's intention. You cannot betray your husband now"

What if the husband cheated on the wife, or the other way ..."

If God didn't want them together he shouldn't have made them fall in love

In the Bible divorce is bad unless your spouse is abusive or cheating so that's the exception, but it also depends on what God wants you to do. The story of Hosea and Gomer shows how forgiveness is an option if a spouse is unfaithful, but always pray to see what you should do before getting a divorce. I think abuse is definitely a reason to get a divorce, God does not want you to go through that. As for cheating, if a person is repentant and they genuinely seek forgiveness and they never do it again then no I wouldn't get a divorce, but if the person keeps cheating on the spouse then that's different.

what about no-fault divorce? like two married people just fell out of love and felt they'd be happier away from each other? i'd say that's also fair but i want to hear yalls' thoughts

I'm not rly religious, so this is just a genuine question - what if someone is in a toxic/unsafe marriage? Would it still be considered a sin?

Steve wrote: "Yes it's a sin. You fell in love, that was God's intention. You cannot betray your husband now"

what if the husband is beating the wife? or the wife is cheating on the husband? (I'm using straight marriages as examples because most Christians condemn non-straight marriages anyway)

its not the people involved in the marriage's fault it didnt work out. should people be miserable for the rest of their lives instead of getting a divorce bc its a sin?

what about the kids involved if there are any?

I think it depends, you probably shouldn't rush into marriage if you aren't sure, which would help to avoid divorces, but if someone is cheating on their spouse or they are abusive then....

Sage wrote: "Steve wrote: "Yes it's a sin. You fell in love, that was God's intention. You cannot betray your husband now"

what if the husband is beating the wife? or the wife is cheating on the husband? (I'm ..."

the Bible says "what God has joined together, let not man put asunder"

so marriage is extremely important to God and He values commitment

the only exception i can think of is abuse or possible unrepentant unfaithfulness

Faith wrote: "Sage wrote: "Steve wrote: "Yes it's a sin. You fell in love, that was God's intention. You cannot betray your husband now"

what if the husband is beating the wife? or the wife is cheating on the h..."

i don't see how a god affects who you choose to marry

well isnt this topic about Christians so of course we believe God is in control and sovereign

yeah i get that, but how does a god affect who you marry? i genuinely don't get it

I think that there in a case of abusive, unfaithfulness, etc. then they have the right to have a legal separation but not a divorce because marriage is forever because like Faith said, ""what God has joined together, let not man put asunder". That person is your spouse until either one of you dies or until Christ comes, and nothing can change that. So I'd say get a separation but not a divorce because divorce is man's way of breaking what God has put together.

As a Christian, I believe that God created the world and didn't just leave it alone. He orchestrates events in our lives.
Obviously, we have free will and can pretty much do what we want, but God knows everything

Faith wrote: "As a Christian, I believe that God created the world and didn't just leave it alone. He orchestrates events in our lives.
Obviously, we have free will and can pretty much do what we want, but God ..."

If he knows everything why would he put together a couple who would in the end fail?

We have free will and we are sinners. That's why marriages fail

Genuine questions:
I see for the most part the Christians here say no divorce unless the cause of abuse or infidelity.
Does abuse include verbal abuse? What about potential abuse? Say your husband/wife is a drunkard and you're scared she/he might hurt the kids. Is divorce acceptable then?
I saw Syd say that if someone cheats and is truly sorry about it, no divorce. Personally if my husband or wife cheats it will be a divorce because i dont condone cheating. But i think everyone's boundaries are different. For example, one couple might think flirting is cheating or flirting multiple times is cheating, but another couple thinks flirting is just platonic, or maybe they have to flirt for their job and so its allowed in their relationship.

Anyway, for the actual question, what if there has been no infidelity, no abuse towards the partners, but they fight and argue all the time, and they have children. What would be the best course of action? I believe hearing your parents fight especially if its a heated argument, can be traumatizing or scary for a child. But on the other hand, divorce is also traumatizing, but less so. If the couple is endangering their child but their is no infidelity nor abuse, can there still be grounds for a divorce?
Also im not saying oh one fight get separated i mean like repeated fighting with a chance it could turn degrading or physical.

Faith wrote: "We have free will and we are sinners. That's why marriages fail"

So God doesn't put couple together at all, its us and our free will?

Faith wrote: "TESSIE wrote: "Genuine questions:
I see for the most part the Christians here say no divorce unless the cause of abuse or infidelity.
Does abuse include verbal abuse? What about potential abuse? Sa..."

Whats the difference between a divorce and separation? You've already separated, a divorce protects the victim, whomever that is, from relying or being relied on financially. In wisconsin, for example, there is a 'whats mine is yours' law where if you're married you dont own any possessions personally, they are both of yours. If you get a separation, you can be responsible for bills for things you aren't using. Or your bills can only get paid if someone else does it because your banks are also shared.
I think this is grounds for a divorce, not just a separation, especially if the couple doesn't plan on getting bzck together.

i honestly think that if you're not happy with who you're married to, you can have a divorce. obviously i'd suggest after a lot of thought, because it is a big decision, but divorcing someone you're not happy with can actually be a really beneficial decision for you, and for your hypothetical kids as well.

The Bible is very against divorce unless a spouse is a being abusive or unfaithful, if you're just genuinely unhappy with the person you probably shouldn't have gotten married in the first place because I feel like God will always point you to who you are meant to be with, but if you do find yourself falling out of love I would pray a lot first before making a decision because God will always help you and maybe you will fall back in love with the person. This is also a hard question to answer because I'm young and I haven't gotten married much less a divorce so I don't have a personal experience with this, but I don't necessarily think its a sin? Yes God is against it but if you do it then he's not gonna have hellfire rain down on you lol

yeah, i think this is why couple therapy exists lol

I don’t think relationship issue has anything to do with god

Normally no, once you are married you should work it out together. If you are abused and it is unsafe to be married to this person, that is another thing.

i agree, but no fault divorce should also be a thing. like i should be able to divorce somebody just because we've fallen out of love or smth.

I don’t think it’s a sin but i feel that you should have some reason behind it. Like people fall out of love and there are abusive relationships and then there’s the people that get divorced tens of times for no reason. That’s where I draw the line.

why do you draw a line?

its not your line to draw but i guess i get it. like you mean if they have a little not physical fight?

Are there any Bible verses or Biblical evidence that points to divorce being a Christian sin?
I’ve seen a lot saying that God does not approve, however I haven’t seen any bible verses I don’t think.

Uhh no

It depends on the context behind the divorce.
It’s understandable if:
A spouse is abusive
A spouse seriously cheats
A spouse is a criminal and the other had no idea

The Bible speaks a lot about divorce:
Matthew 5:32
Mark 10:12
Malachi 2:16

in the catholic church its only not a sin to grt divorced if one of them or both of them did not mean the vows when they got married

Liliana wrote: "It depends on the context behind the divorce.
It’s understandable if:
A spouse is abusive
A spouse seriously cheats
A spouse is a criminal and the other had no idea

The Bible speaks a lot about d..."

How do we determine whether the divorce was due to those factors or others? It can be difficult to prove the existence of abuse, and people can lie.

i honestly believe that if you want to get divorced, you should. you deserve to be happy, don't spend your life with someone you don't want to.