The Debate Club discussion

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i honestly think no on this. no matter how unregretful and violent the person being executed is, it's still horrible to watch someone else being electrocuted, or injected, or however else they're being killed. it's honestly kind of disgusting.

definitely not!!!

Why is this even a question😭😭😭no ofc not i understand why people would want that tho but if we stoop ourselves to that level then we r just as bad as them yk

bibliophile [semi ia][no longer accepting frqs] wrote: "No!!! I’m pro death penalty but public executions is a bit far!"

Same. The death penalty is necessary in some cases for the safety of society and guards. It is not taken lightly but sometime sides have to happen.
Public execution is way too far, especially considering children may see execution- no child should witness death at any young age.

For context, Charlie Kirk wanted public executions, and some people who supported him agreed with the idea of bringing back public executions, so we made a topic to discuss those views.

I don't see why we would need public executions. I understand having the death penalty but why would I want to see it? I've watched this one movie where they show the person in the electric chair. This guy killed people but its still horrifying to see someone get electrocuted. No I don't believe we should have public executions. I feel like that's just sick to want to watch that. There's a difference between justice and becoming just as cruel and disgusting as the person who committed the crimes.

I’m anti death penalty in general because as much as I think some people are evil and horrible, nobody should be allowed to play god like that and have the power to end lives; it’s just a perpetual cycle of violence:/

livi 🍉 wrote: "I’m anti death penalty in general because as much as I think some people are evil and horrible, nobody should be allowed to play god like that and have the power to end lives; it’s just a perpetual..."

yeah exactly, and the death penalty isn’t as much as a punishment as people would think, I honestly think people should have to live with the guilt of what they’ve done

though I know some people like psychopaths and sociopaths don’t feel guilt…

But see, these people don’t care. They ar erotically violent in prisons and pose a threat to government officials like prison guards. I know a prison guard and she wa sin the hospital for a year after an attack. The death penalty is safer for everyone involved, including the perpetrator.

@tessie I understand that but also with the flaws in the American justice system, there are innocent people executed that didn’t need to be… especially people of color. In a more just system I think my view could change but I just don’t agree with the “eye for an eye”

Its possible but extremely rare. Only 1% of prison sentences actually result in the death penalty, and 4%of those were considered exonerated. This doesn’t mean they were completely innocent at all, however, it simply means they did not deserve the death penalty. That is a statistic that it too high to be a rational thing, however the answer is not to end the death penalty, because in entirety it is beneficial.
The death penalty is nowhere near ‘an eye for an eye’. For example, the last person to be sentenced to death row was heavily involved in human trafficking and drug trafficking, as well as the kidnapping, possible sexual assault and aid in murder of three women, motive being one of which refused his advances. The case is controversial because he basically hired a hitman and observed the murders, providing environment, but I’d say human and drug trafficking paired with the aid of murder and sexual violence is not the same as a quick death by lethal injection.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles...

not pro public execution, i do support the death penalty but i do have major problems with the american justice system and the stupidly common false sentences

I agree the justice system is horrible and needs work. Not just for the death penalty or false convictions but most of the people in prisons are there for doing drugs, and they get treated terribly, especially women and women of color. I know it’s a prison, but when someone gets one pad or tampon a day, that’s way too far. People can get sick from having a tampon in too long. Also women of color are so likely to get assaulted by prison guards. I’m personally not to worried about the pedos or rapists, traffickers in there, but they are typically set up to where they don’t get imprisoned, most convicted rapists still walk free. But why are people who’ve done drugs without hurting other people having longer sentences than rapists and killers?
Prison is also traumatizing and it’s hard for someone to go from prison to real life again, especially if they did a smaller crime. It’s so frustrating.

livi 🍉 wrote: "I’m anti death penalty in general because as much as I think some people are evil and horrible, nobody should be allowed to play god like that and have the power to end lives; it’s just a perpetual..."

Agreed on this!!

bibliophile [semi ia][no longer accepting frqs] wrote: "I don’t think of the death penalty as a punishment. I think of a necessary evil to remove other evils from the world. I think it should only be in the case of murder of the first degree and only in..."

I agree with this too... I don't quite have a stance I'll have to learn more.

Tessie wrote: "I agree the justice system is horrible and needs work. Not just for the death penalty or false convictions but most of the people in prisons are there for doing drugs, and they get treated terribly..."

THIS. Our justice system needs work before we start implementing/bringing back other severe forms of punishment.

Tessie wrote: "Its possible but extremely rare. Only 1% of prison sentences actually result in the death penalty, and 4%of those were considered exonerated. This doesn’t mean they were completely innocent at all,..."

it's not rare. 1 out of every 9 death row prisoners are exonerated. that literally means the courts made an error one ninth of the time and the prisoner had to fight to find lawyers and have their case approved just because they were literally an innocent person who would have been killed otherwise.
https://eji.org/issues/death-penalty/

Not exactly. Exonerated means to absolve someone of blame or responsibility. It doesn’t mean they are completely innocent, it means they weren’t deserving of the death penalty.
And there’s a reason it takes so long for someone to actually be killed, so they have time to present their case. 1 in 9 people were exonerated, but not 1 in 9 people were actually killed.
But I agree it is too common to be ethical.
Our justice system is horrifying in general. So much is wrong with it, so many of them are paid off for opinions, the whole system needs a fix. That doesn’t mean the death penalty should be abolished, it just needs to be fixed up and paid more attention to who is on death row and why.

to everyone on serial killers:

i honestly believe that before a serial killer is taken to their prison or facility or whatever, they should get a chance at treatment. society is evolving very fast, and we're discovering lots of new causes and treatments for various conditions. that includes psychiatric conditions. a lot of times people forget that the brain is just another organ, if not a bit more complicated, and that if it isn't working correctly, then there is probably some physical manifestation of that problem. being honest right now, do you actually believe that someone who gets joy out of homicide has a healthy brain? no. and i think that in some cases it would be possible to fix that. (source: skip to 12:39 of the video if you don't have a lot of time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esPRs...). because it honestly isn't 100% their fault. i mean obviously, it kind of is, but remember that they don't feel empathy for others, so they probably can't tell how wrong it is. and they get pleasure from it, and our brains are built to chase after pleasure. that's literally how people become drug addicts and stuff. if you were in their position, you would probably make the same terrible decisions. i know i probably sound kind of radical right now, but i wouldn't imprison or kill them for punishment. the only reason i'd do it is to keep people safe, and that would only be after determining that they are untreatable. if they are treatable, then i suggest just doing that, because making sure the crime is never committed again is the highest priority.

Tessie wrote: "Not exactly. Exonerated means to absolve someone of blame or responsibility. It doesn’t mean they are completely innocent, it means they weren’t deserving of the death penalty.
And there’s a reason..."

but when an innocent person is murdered, it's final. there can be no compensation at all for that, except towards their family. any rate of error is horrifying, because now you have a government that's quite literally murdering its citizens for no true reason.

I completely agree! However you must understand the tin a lot cases they aren’t treatable. There are personality disorders like schizophrenia and aspd that cause these people to do horrible things, and these aren’t treatable. In some cases they ar controllable, but if someone has already killed it’s going to be hard to come back from that, especially since it’s not simply those disorders that cause such violence.
It’s not typically that they don’t understand it’s wrong (can be in the case of schizophrenia) it’s that they don’t care. You assume mentally ill patients to be amoral, however in many cases they are immoral. But overall I agree.

No!! Who would even want to watch that?

Apparently Charlie Kirk lmaooo

What defines public execution? Is the execution broadcasted on live TV, or done in a public place, or something else? I feel like TV and actual "public" executions are very different. Honestly, I don't like the idea of either, but I think the way they do it changes the game a bit.

Absolutely no capital punishment. It doesn't belong in a democratic society. Does it make us better than the perpetrator? When you look through history even Marxists like Eugene V. Debs, Rosa Luxemburg, and others were some of the biggest opponents of capital punishment. It has created martyrs throughout history.

It should be allowed in extreme circumstances. I don’t think killing a rapist pedophile trafficking four year olds is be in as bad as them. I don’t think the people it’s being used on of the late are extremely deserving though.

Thibaud wrote: "Absolutely no capital punishment. It doesn't belong in a democratic society. Does it make us better than the perpetrator? When you look through history even Marxists like Eugene V. Debs, Rosa Luxem..."

I agree. Just because a person has done something so evil that they deserve it, doesn't mean we should publicly execute them. We shouldn't kill people who have no more freedom anyways. And for the world to see is also disgusting. I truly hope nobody would want to watch that or should, and things could just go terribly wrong if things like that were to happen.

@tessie lmaooo 😭😭😭

absolutely not. it’s a super intense and emotional thing for everyone involved, and it does not have to be amplified by other people. also, the death penalty system is SUPER fucked up and is not equal at all, especially towards black people and other minority groups.

exactly. we should never kill somebody publicly especially if its not completely fair and confirmed or whatever. imagine if you realize later, they were telling the truth. they were innocent.

I can see where people are coming from, but I personally don't think public executions would be a good thing. In my opinion, the person in that situation may deserve to be publicly executed. In many cases, such as in the murder of Charlie Kirk, these murderers did not give their victims the smallest shred of dignity by murdering them in private. Charlie Kirk's murder was videoed likely by hundreds and spread all over the internet. So, do I think it would be fair for these horrible criminals to be publicly executed? Yes. However, the only reason I would NOT support public executions is because I don't think we need to see that. We are already so de-sensitized to such horrors and I don't think witnessing someone else die would be good for society in general.
Just my personal opinion and I can definitely see where both sides are coming from.

i see where you're coming from (lol the number of times this phrase has been used), but honestly i don't think that that's a good reason for it to even be slightly justified. because in both situations, you aren't just harming the person being killed by showcasing their murder to the whole world, but you're also harming anyone who watches it. literally no one should see that, unless you were really close to the person who died or smth (or if it's for awareness purposes). but otherwise, i would still say no.

Sai :) wrote: "i see where you're coming from (lol the number of times this phrase has been used), but honestly i don't think that that's a good reason for it to even be slightly justified. because in both situat..."

Exactly!

Sai :) wrote: "i see where you're coming from (lol the number of times this phrase has been used), but honestly i don't think that that's a good reason for it to even be slightly justified. because in both situat..."

That's about what I was saying lol

When punishment hides, wrongdoing grows bold

No, absolutely not. Public executions are not just disgusting and dangerous, but also a violation of human dignity in my opinion. The moment of death is maybe the most private in ones lifetime and shouldn’t be open to the public. The question is: What would be advantage of public executions? And I can’t find any advantage here. So I don’t see any necessity for it, to be honest. Like Sky already mentioned, it makes a difference if the executions were broadcasted or in a public place. Also, how could you assure that no child would ever see that? You simply couldn’t. So, like Sai already said, it would cause more harm than good. And I personally question death penalty generally. But this is off topic.

hello? no. it would be traumatizing even for the person watching. cmon guys i thought we left this in the 1600s when we burned women who didnt fit into a certain standard for being 'witches.'

Faith wrote: "Sai :) wrote: "i see where you're coming from (lol the number of times this phrase has been used), but honestly i don't think that that's a good reason for it to even be slightly justified. because..."

oh ok lol 😂

︵‿୨♡ Ｊｕｌｉｅｔｔｅ ♡୧‿︵ wrote: "No, absolutely not. Public executions are not just disgusting and dangerous, but also a violation of human dignity in my opinion. The moment of death is maybe the most private in ones lifetime and ..."

yesss

gia wrote: "hello? no. it would be traumatizing even for the person watching. cmon guys i thought we left this in the 1600s when we burned women who didnt fit into a certain standard for being 'witches.'"

👏 absolutely

I think no way, someone would be tramatized after that. I don't think that it's right in any way to have public Executions. It could hurt many people mentally.

it's also really unfair to the person being killed. no matter what horrible crimes they committed, having someone watch them die without their consent is just wrong on so many levels, it's your private moment of death and no one should overstep that. you won't be alive again. you deserve at least an ounce of dignity.

︵‿୨♡ Ｊｕｌｉｅｔｔｅ ♡୧‿︵ wrote: "No, absolutely not. Public executions are not just disgusting and dangerous, but also a violation of human dignity in my opinion. The moment of death is maybe the most private in ones lifetime and ..."

THIS

@Sai i 100% agree

why is this even a question. OFC not. its bad enough that we kill people in general, amd its even worse that anybody would do it publickly