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If anyone says ANYTHING BEFORE THANKSGIVING, you are WRONG

DECEMBER

nope, don't celebrate thanksgiving and never will so i will be moving onto christmas

november 26

I don't even know when thanksgiving is lmao i don't celebrate it

Same as ash we do not celebrate thanksgiving, we celebrate fall(as in we put up fall decor like candles) and we put Christmas’s stuff up whenever we get time in November 😭
We eat stuff with our family thanksgiving week but not for thanksgiving because… well the feast was literally celebrating the massacre of people.

I want to always say after Thanksgiving because that's when all the other holidays are over and Christmas season is coming some sometime after thanksgiving like a week after would work.

I've always been the person to say NEVER play Christmas music until Thanksgiving prep has started and you need music to listen to while cooking the Thanksgiving meal, but this year I want it early!!😭
So I turned it on for the first time yesterday 😍😍😍 And my family is all for it, so....BRING IT ON!!! :)

y'all could at least wait until thanksgiving is over 🙏

soph ₊˚ෆ (semi-ia) 🍉 wrote: "y'all could at least wait until thanksgiving is over 🙏"

Yesss

November 12, since that’s right after my birthday and Remembrance Day are over, I feel like it would be disrespectful to be doing Christmas stuff on Remembrance Day 😭 and thanksgiving is in October here and I could never imagine it being in November lmao

I say that if your listen and starting Christmas during another holiday it's kinda wired in my beliefs, but I can see why some people listen and start celebrating the hoilday.

⋆｡°✩ Sol {Hiatus} wrote: "november 26"

STRANGER THINGS RELEASE DATEEEEEEEE

oopsie sorry wrong topic

bibliophile [semi ia][no longer accepting frqs] wrote: "I mean imo one week before cuz like guys this is excessive. But im not complaining abt the cute cups at starbucks"

Yea, I like going to places like fast coffee LOL I don't mind those little Christmas things.

bibliophile [semi ia][no longer accepting frqs] wrote: "I mean imo one week before cuz like guys this is excessive. But im not complaining abt the cute cups at starbucks"

girl i love the starbucks christmas cups, they bring me so much joy and idk why

Wait Tessie- please enlighten me on the Thanksgiving being a celebration of a massacre? I'm genuinely curious, I don't think I've heard of that before.

Noel wrote: "Wait Tessie- please enlighten me on the Thanksgiving being a celebration of a massacre? I'm genuinely curious, I don't think I've heard of that before."

Don't site me on this, I may get some things wrong, but basically, the Pilgrams made a "truce" with the Native Americans and had a big feast cuz they didn't know how to survive during winter and probably would have all died if the Natives didn't help them, but then kinda massacred all the Natives. So basically Thanksgiving was a trick.

HOWEVER it is still a holiday that I quite like NOW and CHRISTMAS should not be before December.

What you said I'd true but to some that up when the natives helped them and thought them their ways the pilgrims ended up attacking and killing many Native Americans, instead of keeping peace. What you said was a 100 present true

Research Link: https://www.history.com/articles/wamp...

⯌Sky⯌ ~take from you like you took from me~ wrote: "Noel wrote: "Wait Tessie- please enlighten me on the Thanksgiving being a celebration of a massacre? I'm genuinely curious, I don't think I've heard of that before."

Don't site me on this, I may g..."

Oh wow, this is too cool because I'm literally reading about the pilgrims in school LOL. I'm actually reading a firsthand account by one of the first governors who was a pilgrim.
So- according to the three books I've read (two being firsthand accounts) Thanksgiving was actually not super involved with the natives. The Pilgrims were still kinda wary of them and vice versa, BUT they had made friends with some of the natives who spoke English and they were helped out by the natives.
I don't remember reading that there was a huge massacre- I know there were a few small skirmishes that may have happened when the natives killed a few of the pilgrims. But that's interesting. There was definitely a larger battle that happened, but it was not anywhere near Thanksgiving and had nothing to do with it.
After reading the firsthand accounts, I'm pretty sure that the Pilgrims wouldn't trick the natives and then kill them all for no reason. They were a very forgiving and tolerant people.
Also, the thanksgiving feast is like barely mentioned in the firsthand accounts, so we have very little information to go off of, other than that they had set aside a day to give thanks to God for how far He had brought them. And their feast would have consisted of venison, seafood, and waterfowl- totally not our typical Thanksgiving feasts today 😂

Noel wrote: "⯌Sky⯌ ~take from you like you took from me~ wrote: "Noel wrote: "Wait Tessie- please enlighten me on the Thanksgiving being a celebration of a massacre? I'm genuinely curious, I don't think I've he..."

It kinda doesn't talk about it in any of the book's on Thanksgiving but it did happen. I don't know the exact date but if you want I can find that out.

Noel wrote: "⯌Sky⯌ ~take from you like you took from me~ wrote: "Noel wrote: "Wait Tessie- please enlighten me on the Thanksgiving being a celebration of a massacre? I'm genuinely curious, I don't think I've he..."

there actually was a massacre! the massacre of the Pequot people took place around the same time as Thanksgiving. most Native Americans use Thanksgiving as a day to mourn, not celebrate
not only did the pilgrims introduce new diseases to the Native Americans, sometimes purposely (which killed 90% of their population) but they forced them out of their land to make way for new settlers and even took them as slaves. sometimes the colonists were actually paid to kill Native Americans. i'd recommend looking into the Trail of Tears if you're interested in the displacement of the Native Americans.

soph ₊˚ෆ (semi-ia) 🍉 wrote: "Noel wrote: "⯌Sky⯌ ~take from you like you took from me~ wrote: "Noel wrote: "Wait Tessie- please enlighten me on the Thanksgiving being a celebration of a massacre? I'm genuinely curious, I don't ..."

Thank you for stating that I did not know what time it was around I really only knew the story, So know we all know that there was a massacre around Thanksgiving. I think that book's on thanks giving would not say that because of the fact that they don't want our holiday that millions celebrate to look bad.

soph ₊˚ෆ (semi-ia) 🍉 wrote: "Noel wrote: "⯌Sky⯌ ~take from you like you took from me~ wrote: "Noel wrote: "Wait Tessie- please enlighten me on the Thanksgiving being a celebration of a massacre? I'm genuinely curious, I don't ..."

That massacre actually had nothing to do with the pilgrims that set aside this specific day for Thanksgiving. The Pequot massacre was between the Pequot tribe and the Connecticut and Massachusetts Bay colonies. The Plymouth colony- the colony that we all know for about- were NOT involved.

Band wrote: "soph ₊˚ෆ (semi-ia) 🍉 wrote: "Noel wrote: "⯌Sky⯌ ~take from you like you took from me~ wrote: "Noel wrote: "Wait Tessie- please enlighten me on the Thanksgiving being a celebration of a massacre? I'..."

yeah that's actually pretty common that people forget about events like that taking place around major holidays lol

Noel wrote: "soph ₊˚ෆ (semi-ia) 🍉 wrote: "Noel wrote: "⯌Sky⯌ ~take from you like you took from me~ wrote: "Noel wrote: "Wait Tessie- please enlighten me on the Thanksgiving being a celebration of a massacre? I'..."

no i know, i'm just saying that there was a massacre that took place around the same time that people don't usually talk about

u should never celebrate christmas it sucks ass–

@soph Oh okay, I see!!!
@metaphor 😭😭😭That's so sad, in my opinion!! Christmas is the most wonderful time of the year!!!

Thanksgiving, regardless of how bad the murders were, celebrate indirectly colonizers and the taking of land. Colonizers murdered, raped, and stole from native Americans, I don’t thinks that’s something anyone should ever celebrate.

Tessie wrote: "Thanksgiving, regardless of how bad the murders were, celebrate indirectly colonizers and the taking of land. Colonizers murdered, raped, and stole from native Americans, I don’t thinks that’s some..."

Makes sense.

@tessie my thoughts exactly

i agree with tessie. i can understand if you want to celebrate the spirit of modern thanksgiving as gratefulness, friends, family, etc, as long as you recognize and understand the dark history behind it.
also i personally don't celebrate christmas in the traditional sense, i'm not christian, we don't have like big family meal or whatever, but growing up my family always just loved the whole holiday spirit, the movies, the music, the decor, it just seemed like a time where everyone felt happy and relaxed and nice, like i don't know how to explain it, people just seemed good. so we'd host parties, put up a tree and we had a tradition of baking chocolate chip cookies every year.
my dad also always just really enjoyed decorating the house for some reason, so he'd put up so many decorations up outside for the hindu festival season in fall, and then we'd just switch up like led patterns and add pumpkins or snowflakes or whatever depending on what holiday was going on, and we always had like the most decorated house on the block from mid october all the way january, and that also probably contributed to that feeling of the 'holiday spirit' and whatnot

wait that's actually so real lmao. like my parents put up lights every october for diwali and then keep them until january bc there's halloween and then christmas and they don't see the point of taking it down

Tessie wrote: "Thanksgiving, regardless of how bad the murders were, celebrate indirectly colonizers and the taking of land. Colonizers murdered, raped, and stole from native Americans, I don’t thinks that’s some..."

Honestly, I never really celebrate holidays in the way of thinking of the origins of them, I use thanksgiving as a holiday where we just get to see family, eat foods and be grateful for things, kinda like how with Christmas I actually didn’t know it was related to Jesus at all until I was like 8 because I never really thought of it as a religious holiday. Idk if it’s different in the us but yeah in Canada at school that’s how we’ve always learned about thanksgiving, we never have used it to celebrate colonizers

‧͙⁺˚*･༓☾ Metaphor ☽༓･*˚⁺‧͙ wrote: "u should never celebrate christmas it sucks ass–"

that’s depressing 😭

Ophelia
I totally get that, but thats not celebrating thanksgiving imo.
Also the Christmasthing i totally get, Christmas isnt even really related to Jesus as much as advertised because we have no idea when his burthday actually was, and he never asked us to remember or.celebrate it.

Tessie wrote: "Ophelia
I totally get that, but thats not celebrating thanksgiving imo.
Also the Christmasthing i totally get, Christmas isnt even really related to Jesus as much as advertised because we have no ..."

to me thanksgiving has nothing to do with anything though like that 😭 I think it’s different in Canada though, it’s even on a different day here