THE MAEVE FAN CLUB! discussion

In Magdalene Rising Maeve puts a geis on Esus. Do you remember what the geis was?

Maeve has a blog and she recently posted this about that geis:
"Did I sin in attempting to force my will on him through word magic? Perhaps. If you define sin as "missing the mark," not being in alignment with the will of the whole mystery. If we are all sinners, can someone's death atone for our sins, take them away? I confess I have never been able to see the connection. And as many a child has asked, if Jesus died for our sins once and for all, how come the world is the way it is? Who and what has been saved from sin?"

How would you answer Maeve's questions?

Hi Halee! Nice to see you here. I never understood the whole "Jesus died for our sins" thing, since it seems to me after people have been "saved", they still commit sins. Does that mean they have to keep praying for forgiveness or are their sins nullified since they've been "saved"? As a Pagan, I take responsibility for my own sins and don't need a scapegoat for them. I'd answer Maeve's questions that way. I don't presume to understand who or what has been saved from sin.

Hello All!

The idea of "word magic" is very special for me. After I read "The Passion" I went to meet Elizabeth at High Valley (See my review on Goodreads). I was about to meet a friend for a sacred sexuality couples retreat at Isis Cove and I was wondering about the possibility of exploring transcendent sex with him.

Elizabeth put a geis on me. She said, "You may have transcendent sex if you do not have the 'urge to merge.'" That sounded simple enough. I was just ending my marriage, healing from sexual abuse, and I had no intention of getting the urge to merge with anyone. Little did I know that I was about to get involved with a practitioner of Tantric sex who wanted to gift me with "recycled ejaculation", that is to say, a very energy potent semen created by injaculation or not ejaculating over a series of sexual encounters. There was full disclosure of this practice but I didn't really understand until after I experienced it. He blew me right out of my cycle! And the testosterone level just drove my libido over the edge...

So then I am thinking about this geis that Elizabeth put on me and I'm trying to hold this man at a distance while at the same time I am dealing with this overwhelming desire to have him again (He told me that women have begged him for this and I assured him that there would be no begging from me! He just gave me that know-it-all grin...)

Of course Maeve's geis was that Esus had to have sex with her and he turned her down flat (skipped her contraceptive stone right across the water!)only to finally take her under his own sovereignty.

Ah,sovereignty! Maeve is raised with such sovereignty by her mothers.

Maeve answers her questions on Elizabeth's blog but I would be interested in what others think.

I was raised Christian but now identify as a lover of Jesus and Mary Magdalene (the integration of Divine Masculine and Feminine), spiritual, but not religious. I am all about connection, both human and other, and forgiveness is part of my spiritual practice...face-to-face or leaf-to-face or rock-to-face, etc.

Still Practicing,
Halee

Holy Moly, have YOU started a discussion or WHAT?!
Would you say you are sexually "free"? I have to admit the whole "recycled ejaculation" thing made me go EEEWWWWWW!, and even after 23 (happy) years of marriage, I think my near-Puritan Christian upbringing has kinda tainted my sexuality. I'm curious, Haly; you say you "were raised Christian but now identify as a lover of Jesus and Mary Magdalene", so do you still consider yourself Christian?
Even now, after having embraced Wicca (and currently studying Taoism), some of the old mores and folkways I grew up still stubbornly cling and I'm not as spiritually free as I'd like to be.
That said, monogamy is the only way for me. I think I can wrap my mind around the Sacred Whore idea, but giving myself to multiple men just doesn't appeal to me; esp. in this day and age of STDs and AIDS, etc.

Well the sexually "free" question is very deep. I think I will get back to you on this one. But for the most part, I am practicing sacred sexuality on myself. ;) And I have done some sacred spot (G spot) work with other women. (Just holding the sacred spot to release tension and pain held there.) No multiple men involved.

I too find the "loose sex" kinda creepy in the age of AIDS but when one's partner is sexing other men and women, it kinda taints the whole monogamy thing.

Well, I consider myself part of the movement that Jesus started and Mary Magdalene continued. It is probably more Neo-Gnostic or Neo-Christian. I believe that I am part of an emerging church or emerging consciousness. My parents are part of what is called deep ecumenism which involves informing the spiritual practice of one's culture with the practice of another or several spiritual practices (See Matthew Fox "One River, Many Wells)" I also like to read what Jesus said in the Aramaic because I believe it gives a much different perspective on what he taught--more Sufi-like. (See Neil Douglas-Klotz)

I just finished reading Jason Kirkey's "The Salmon in the Spring" which is about Celtic Spirituality and practice. Check him out; he is an author on Goodreads. I recommend that people read as a two-fisted reader, with Jason's book in one fist and Elizabeth's in the other.

Matthew FoxNeil Douglas-KlotzThe Salmon in the Spring The Ecology of Celtic Spirituality

Back to the "sexually free" question:
When I was at boarding school, two of the guys taught me the Four F's: Find em, Fool 'em, Fuck 'em, and Forget 'em. I tried playing that game, but it isn't really for the ones without the power. I am not making a gender statement here. I know many men who don't play this game. My father would be an example of one who has never treated women this way. And I am not judging these guys. I believe that both of them have made great strides forward in relating to others in a different way. But this is the way many young men and some women are expected to train their bodies in the sexual union in the USA. It is body to body. This is level one sexual energy.

When one wakes up from the ejaculatory hangover, there is another way. I will also call it the Four F's of the 50% relationship: Find 'em, Friend 'em, Foreplay 'em with the mind, and Frustrate 'em. This is "nice." No power plays. No violence. And it is mind to mind. It starts off with the body involved but it rarely ends that way. Because eventually you are sexually neutralized. I can tell you, it is damn frustrating. And the body will eventually go back to playing the other Four F's game. This is level two sexual energy.

There is another Four F's Game: Find 'em, Flow with 'em, Fuck 'em to God/dess, and Free 'em. Am I permitted to say, "Fuck"? I mean it in the "nicest" possible way. This is all pleasure...no pain. It honors the energy connection. Is it connection because we are all made of the same stuff?...Because we are, all made of stardust. Or is it a connection because our polarity draws us together like magnets? I believe it is both. When I say I am "feeling it" I am not just feeling a genital urge, I am feeling the energy flowing. When I say "free 'em" I don't necessarily mean cut them loose but free them to their greatest potential...sometimes that does mean cutting someone loose. This is heart-to-heart stuff and it includes the mind and the body. (Yes, I do believe that one can be a good mother or father and still have an intimate communion that includes sex.) This is level three sexual energy.

I am shooting for level three.