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Lori Goshert (lori_laleh) | 1893 comments Mod
We hear repeated reference to the sea devouring the town. Is this just an interesting scenic detail, or is Collins using it as a metaphor? If so, for what?

Has your opinion of Wragge changed at all?

What did you think of the "game" played between Wragge and Lecount? Since she has positively discovered Magdalen's identity, do he and Magdalen have any moves left?

This seemed like a climactic chapter, but we still have around 200 pages left. What are your predictions? Take into account your experiences with Collins' other books, if you have read them.


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Robin P | 2780 comments Mod
This part was like a caper movie, with 2 sides trying to outwit each other. Capt. Wragge actually deserves some kind of reward for his diabolical cleverness.

Since no settlement was discussed, is the plan to have Noel mysteriously die and everything be left to Magdalen? But as you pointed out, there are 200 more pages. Collins does often have surprising plot twists. I can see how this could have been a huge hit as serialized story.


Trev | 752 comments This section was all Wragge and Lecount, with very little Magdalen. It felt to me like she was becoming a pawn in the hands of the two arch schemers, almost losing her grasp on the meaning of her quest.

The fact that Magdalen hates what she is doing shows how mentally scarred she has already become. Her obsessive quest to regain her inheritance is, like the relentless seas crashing against the crumbling cliffs, destroying her life. If she succeeds in marrying Noel, her misery will increase tenfold and Wragge has determined to walk away at that point. She will be at the mercy of Lecount and her desperate circumstances could lead to even more dangerous situations.

Wragge’s lack of care for Magdalen appals me. He occasionally shows some remorse, but he knows that the whole operation is destroying the girl and yet he continues the quest with all the skill and audacity if a man who has spent many years cruelly swindling and ruining people’s lives. To utilise his intelligence and skills in order to inflict misery on innocent people is an absolute disgrace.


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Trev | 752 comments Dunwich might have provided a powerful metaphor for Wilkie Collins because of the way the city/town/village was crumbling into the sea during the nineteenth century. So much had been lost from the thriving city port it had once been. Today there is very little left to see, but 150 years ago the scene would have been different.



At the time Wilkie Collins would have visited the remains of the church would have been there, as well as parts of other buildings strewn along the beach.



Here is an article about the destruction of Dunwich, part of which describes how writers and artists were attracted to Dunwich in the nineteenth century.

https://publicdomainreview.org/essay/...


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Lori Goshert (lori_laleh) | 1893 comments Mod
I wonder exactly how much influence Mr. Wragge had on Magdalen. Could he have talked her out of her project if he really put his mind to it? Of course, he could have refused to help. I'm not sure what Magdalen would have done in that scenario. I don't think she would have given up.

I do love the descriptions of Dunwich.


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Robin P | 2780 comments Mod
There is at least one point where Magdalen finds the sea evil.


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Lori Goshert (lori_laleh) | 1893 comments Mod
Robin P wrote: "There is at least one point where Magdalen finds the sea evil."

Yeah, that's a really... interesting thing to say about nature.


🐶 Amy Beagle Mom x2 🐶 (bobswifeamy) | 80 comments Trev, thanks for the link. I’d never heard of this city before and I’m going to enjoy reading about it.
Not too far from where I live in the outer suburbs of Washington, DC, a few hours South lies the barrier islands off the coast of NC called the Outer Banks. Many homes were built close to the shore and when the first one fell into the ocean it was big news. Now several have and no doubt more will. I suspect most of them were built before the predictions of rising tides due to climate change were made.
I didn’t meant I stray off topic, but it is a good analogy of how something so lovely can become so destructive.


🐶 Amy Beagle Mom x2 🐶 (bobswifeamy) | 80 comments Ok be honest, is there any part of you that is secretly rooting for Magdalen to be successful, for Noel to pass away and she gets the fortune by inheritance?


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Robin P | 2780 comments Mod
🐶 Amy Beagle Mom x2 🐶 wrote: "Ok be honest, is there any part of you that is secretly rooting for Magdalen to be successful, for Noel to pass away and she gets the fortune by inheritance?"

Absolutely, and although she is unscrupulous, she doesn’t become the “fallen woman” I expected.


message 11: by Lori, Moderator (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lori Goshert (lori_laleh) | 1893 comments Mod
Absolutely! Noel and Mrs. Lecount are despicable.


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Trev | 752 comments Magdalen has only fought for what has been morally ‘stolen’ from her and her sister. She has been bold and shown great ingenuity. I am definitely wanting her to succeed.

However, the bad things for me have been her involvement with the criminal Captain Wragge and feeling obliged to marry Noel thinking that it was the only way to get the inheritance back.


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