Gatekeepers of the End Times (GET) discussion

Are the current issues of globalization, worldwide environmental degradation, the threat of nuclear annihilation, global pandemics, widespread terrorism, etc., all signs of the end times? Are the upheavals of the end times the birth pangs of a new world order? How are these themes being reported in literature and fiction?

The Bible describes events and conditions that mark this significant time period. The "Sign" is a composite one made up of many evidences, thus its fulfillment requires that all the aspects of the sign be clearly in evidence during one generation.
Matthew 24,25, Mark 13, Luke 21 also 2 Timothy 33:1-5 2 peter 3:3,4 and Revelation 6:1-8.

Matching world events to this prophecy is like matching a fingerprint to its owner. There will not be someone else wit the identical print. Likewise the pattern of events that began will not be repeated in some future generation. We do not want to be like the people of Noahs day.

Emma wrote: "The Bible describes events and conditions that mark this significant time period. The "Sign" is a composite one made up of many evidences, thus its fulfillment requires that all the aspects of the ..." What you say is contrary to the Bible. St Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

At Matthew 24:37-39, Jesus Christ made a comparison between the days of Noah and the last days, where we now find ourselves. He said: “Just as the days of Noah were, so the presence (parousia) of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.”

The global Flood swept away all who paid no attention to God’s warning message. It did not, though, sweep away Noah and his family. They “entered into the ark,” as Jesus said. Because of their godly devotion, God provided them with a way of escape. Second Peter 2:5, 9 refers to the survival of Noah and his family when it says: “He [God:] . . . kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a deluge upon a world of ungodly people. God knows how to deliver people of godly devotion out of trial.” Jesus drew a comparison between Noah’s day and the last days to show that people in general would not heed God’s warning message. Nevertheless, in doing so he also confirmed that Noah and his family obeyed God God, entered the ark, and survived the great Flood. Survival by Noah and his family points to the survival of God’s faithful servants at this world’s end.

Read the preceding verses Matthew 24:1-29 and see the setting for this statement? it forms part of Jesus’ great prophecy on the “conclusion of the system of things” (“end of the world,”). This gives us the key to the understanding of “the sign of the Son of man.”
As recorded in verse fifteen of this chapter Jesus had just referred to the prophet Daniel, and from the expressions he now used with reference to the “sign,” there is no doubt that Jesus was referring back to the prophetic vision recorded at Daniel 7:13, 14

There we see the description of the multiple features and details of this composite sign as given by Jesus at Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 and Revelation 6:1-8, including global wars, widespread food shortages, pestilences, earthquakes in many places, increase of lawlessness, anxiety and fear of the future.

I think most religions whether it be christian or islam, beleive that we are living in that time period. The Bible confirms this.

Emma: I have very little problem with what you said in regard to Noah and the last days. The question and the answer is found in St Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Who are the elect? I don't go to any church, which one of all the churches and religions of the world are the elect? Who is going to miss the hell on earth as you say?

I noticed you only used one verse from The Acts thru Jude and you could count on your fingers and come up with the same thing. What about St John 5:43 and 44?

It is an interesting question Mickey, who are the chosen ones or elect as you say, and how were the days to be cut short?

Jesus said: “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,) then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains. Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house; and let the man in the field not return to the house to pick up his outer garment. Woe to the pregnant women and those suckling a baby in those days! Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime, nor on the sabbath day.” “For then, “there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.”—Matthew 24:15-22.

The “disgusting thing” that is foretold by the prophet Daniel in connection with the second destruction of Jerusalem is the one described in Daniel 9:26, history reveals that “disgusting thing” to be the pagan Roman armies under their “leader .


Further, Jesus spoke of an end for Jerusalem and its temple. : “The days will come upon you when your enemies will build around you a fortification with pointed stakes and will encircle you and distress you from every side, and they will dash you and your children within you to the ground, and they will not leave a stone upon a stone in you.” (Luke 19:43, 44) But would that mean death for Christians inside Jerusalem in 66 C.E.?

What does history tell us? In 66 CE the Roman Army led by Cestus Gallus laid siege to Jerusalem, but for some unknown reason he withdrew, which gave the opportunity for Christians and anyone who had listened to Jesus Prophecy to flee to the mountains as directed by Jesus. So indeed the days were cut short.

The true chosen ones back then were those Jews and non-Jews who exercised faith in Jesus as Messiah and Savior. God had chosen such ones, and on Pentecost 33 C.E., he had formed them into a new spiritual nation, “the Israel of God.”—Galatians 6:16; Luke 18:7; Acts 10:34-45; 1 Peter 2:9.

In 70 C.E., the Roman army returned, led by Titus, son of Emperor Vespasian. The suffering of the Jews who were again bottled up in the city is almost beyond belief. Eyewitness Flavius Josephus reports that by the time the Romans demolished the city, about 1,100,000 Jews had died and some 100,000 were taken captive.

The tribulation of 66-70 C.E. was the greatest that Jerusalem and the Jewish system had ever experienced or would ever experience.The outcome was very different for Christians who had heeded Jesus’ warning and had left Jerusalem after the departure of the Roman armies in 66 C.E.! The anointed Christian “chosen ones” were “saved,” or kept safe, in 70 C.E.—Matthew 24:16, 22.

Jesus had indicated that after the city was devastated, he would come in God’s name. (Matthew 23:38, 39; 24:2) He then made this clearer in his prophecy on the Mount of Olives. Having mentioned the coming “great tribulation,” he said that afterward false Christs would appear, and Jerusalem would be trampled on by the nations for an extended period. (Matthew 24:21, 23-28; Luke 21:24)

Could it be that another, a greater, fulfillment was to come?

The facts answer yes. When we compare Revelation 6:2-8 (written after the tribulation on Jerusalem in 70 C.E.) with Matthew 24:6-8 and Luke 21:10, 11, we see that warfare, food shortages, and plague on a greater scale lay ahead. This greater fulfillment of Jesus’ words has been occurring since World War I erupted in 1914.

It becomes plain that, in his prophecy, Jesus was using the city of Jerusalem not only in a literal sense but also in a typical sense, as prefiguring something else of greater proportions. Otherwise, he would not have said concerning her destruction in 70 C.E., “then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.” (Matthew 24:21; Mark 13:19) Jerusalem’s destruction in 70 C.E. was not the worst catastrophe since the world’s beginning, for, what about the global deluge of Noah’s day? And as for the equal of Jerusalem’s destruction by the Romans never occurring after 70 C.E., what about World War I and World War II in this twentieth century? Jesus’ language was not exaggerated, but evidently he was thinking of Jerusalem as a prophetic type, as a warning example of something that would embrace the whole world in a similar destruction. He was thinking of the antitypical unfaithful Jerusalem, namely, one of modern times. And what is that? It is Christendom with her hundreds of conflicting religious sects.—1 Corinthians 10:11.

It is Christendom with her hundreds of conflicting religious sects.—1 Corinthians 10:11.

Christendom now lives in a period of time that resembles in her twentieth-century experiences the period of time from Jesus’ prophecy given on the Mount of Olives until the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and her temple in 70 C.E.

This particular corresponding period of time for Christendom began at the close of the “appointed times of the nations” in the year 1914.

What things did Jesus say would be a “beginning of pangs of distress”? Were they not to be wars, food shortage, earthquakes, pestilences? (Matthew 24:7, 8; Mark 13:8; Luke 21:10, 11) What “wars” in the days of Christ’s apostles in the first century can compare with World Wars I and II, not to speak of all the other wars since the close of World War II in 1945 C.E.? Did the famines, earthquakes, pestilences of the years 33 to 70 C.E. surpass the food shortages, earthquakes and pestilences Christendom and all the rest of the world have had since the end of the Gentile Times in 1914?

The cutting short of the number of days of the approaching “great tribulation” is a guarantee that again “flesh” will be saved. This time, however, the “flesh” saved will not be that of any of his enemies similar to those rebellious non-Christian Jews cooped up in ancient Jerusalem. This time all his enemies are sentenced to destruction. The “flesh,” aside from his “chosen ones,” will be the “great crowd” of obedient sheeplike persons who have obeyed his commandments and forsaken the doomed system of things (including Christendom) and taken their stand on His side.

Saved alive into God’s new order under Christ’s millennial reign, this “great crowd” of “flesh” will have it said of them: “These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation.” (Revelation 7:14)

Dear Emma: There is a Harold Camping on radio in California that believes this: Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains: He believes that Judea means, "flee the churches," I will go along with that. It is the first thing that I noticed, after I became saved, that none of the churches had a doctrine that coincided with what happened to me, and the King James bible of 1611. One of the first things I did was go to the library and study doctrines of different churches and religions. Today I don't attend any church. If your Bible reads the way you have the 24th chapter, I would throw it away.

The question is who are the elect? That is the question that I tried to answer in my book. The question of being born again and what the Spirit means in St John 3: 3-5 In 5 it reads with out these things happening, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. In 5 it reads ENTER and in 3 it reads SEE. To see it means you will only see the power of God. When I saw, it was the born again experience which you have to endure, and what it does is clean your body to get it ready to receive the Holy Ghost. They are two seperate experiences, I received the Holy Ghost 30 days after I was born again. After being born again and if I died in those 30 days, I don't believe I would have went to heaven without the Holy Ghost.

Both experiences are not found in what Jesus said, because he spoke in allegory parables, but they are written plainly in the Old Testament. When both of them happen to you, (and possibly a third) then your other question would be answeared you know you are the chosen. How are the days to be cut short? I believe this earth will get so bad with the things mentioned in the 24 chapter and Revelation chapter 8 that the chosen, or saved will be removed for their own sake.St Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Receive: Paul in his end of the Bible, salvation is superficial by faith, grace, etc.. I believe Paul was the advocate for Satan Isaiah 14: 13-14 In St John 5;43-44 I am come in my Father's name, and ye RECEIVE me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will RECEIVE. (Paul) Receive= to take into one's possesssion (something given, sent, get. to encounter; experience: to bear; take the effect or force of: to take from another; to get knowlege of; to accept as authentic: to let enter; contain; to be a recipient;

Ezekiel 36: 26 A NEW HEART also will I give you, (the heart that I was born with was removed and replaced) and a NEW SPIRIT (Holy Ghost) will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart (sinful heart) out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. (one from God) St John 6;31-58 25 then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will i cleanse you. (born again) 27 (is a repeat) and I will put my spirit within you: and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgements, and do them. St Matthew 3;16 The dove was the Holy Ghost and I received the same thing without the water. It went in His mouth and down His throat, it never lighting on him. St Matthew 20:23 I have to go more later.

Hello Mickey,

The only place in the Bible where the expression “born again” is found is JOHN 3:1-12 In the account Jesus describes several aspects of the “new birth”. And Jesus’ discussion helps us to answer five vital questions:

1. How important is the new birth?
Jesus stated UNLESS anyone is born again, he CANNOT see the kingdom of God JOHN 3:3 The words “Cannot”and “unless” highlight the necessity of the new birth. For example If someone says, “Unless the sun shines, there cannot be daylight” he means that sunshine is absolutely necessary for daylight.

2. Who causes the New Birth?
When urging their listeners to become born again some preachers quote Jesus words “You people must be born again” JOHN 3;7 These ministers use these words as a command, in effect saying “ Be born again!! They thus preach that it is up to the believer to obey Jesus and take the necessary steps to undergo the new birth. According to their reasoning’s , the new birth is a personal choice. But is that in harmony with what Jesus told Nicodemus?

A careful reading of Jesus words show us that Jesus did not teach that it is upto man to choose whether to experience the new birth or not. The Greek expression translated “is born again” can also be rendered “ should be born from above” Therefore the new birth originates “from above” that is from heaven, or from the father JOHN 19:11, JAMES 1;17, It is caused by God – 1 JOHN 3:9

Think of your own physical birth. Was it up to you to make the choice that led to your being born? No, you were born because you were begotten by your father; similarly, we can experience the new birth only if God, our heavenly father causes our new birth. Thus Peter states “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy, HE gave us a new birth – 1 PETER 1:3.

But then why did Jesus give the command ‘You people must be born again” If it is not our choice and beyond our control.

When Jesus said “You must be born again” he was stating a fact, not giving a command.

Think of this illustration: A city has several schools, one of them is set aside for students belonging to an indigenous people who populate the area far from the city. One day a young man who does not belong to that native group tells the principal that he wants to enroll in the school. The principal tells him “ To enroll you must be a native” The principal words are not a command, he is not ordering the student to “become a native”! The principal merely states the requirements for attending that school. Similarly when Jesus said “you people must be born again” he was simply stating a fact – the requirement for one to enter into the kingdom of God.

3. What is the New Birth’s purpose
Many people believe that to have eternal salvation one needs to be born again. Jesus said “ Unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God” Thus one needs to be born again to enter into Gods Kingdom, not in order to receive eternal salvation. Some may argue that these are the same thing, are they? No they are not. Consider the expression “The Kingdom of God”
A kingdom is a form of Government. The Bible teaches that Jesus Christ, “the son of man” is the King of Gods Kingdom and that Christ has fellow rulers (DANIEL 7:1, 13, 14) (MATT 26:63,64) Furthermore a vision given to the apostle John show that Christ’s fellow rulers are individuals chosen “out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation and will “rule as kings over the earth” (REVELATION 5:9, 10; 20:6) The Bible also reveals that those who will rule as kings form “A LITTLE FLOCK” of 144,000 individual who have been “bought from the earth” – (LUKE 13:32, REV 14;1, 3)
The Kingdom is also called the Kingdom of the heavens which show that Jesus and his fellow kings rule from heaven. Thus Gods Kingdom is a heavenly Government made up of Jesus Christ and a group of fellow rulers chosen from among mankind. Therefore Jesus meant that one needs to be born again in order to become a ruler with Christ in heaven. The purpose of the new birth is to prepare a limited number of humans for heavenly rulership.
4. How does it take place?

“Unless anyone is born from water and spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God”
Being born from water related to being baptized in water and being from spirit means the holy spirit. This is a twofold process. The figures of speech born and new birth highlight that there will be a change in relationship between God and those who are baptized with Holy Spirit. The apostle Paul used an illustration from family life to explain to Christians in his day that they would experience an “adoption as sons” and that God therefore, could deal with them as with sons (GALATIANS 4:5 HEBREWS 12:7)
Think of the earlier illustration of the young man unable to enroll in school because he is not a member of the native population. Now imagine that one day he is legally adopted by a father of an indigenous family, because of being adopted as a son, he may now have the right to enroll in the school. The adoption has changed the young man’s prospects’. This is similar to what happens to those who experience the new birth. The young man in the illustration will be given a place in school , only if he meets the requirements for admission – yet on his own he cannot meet the requirements. Similarly some humans will be given a place in Gods Kingdom, but only if they meet the requirements for admission- that of being born again. The new birth depends on God. God changed the condition of a group of imperfect humans by initiating a legal procedure to adopt them as his children. The apostle Paul who belonged to that group wrote to fellow believers “You received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out Abba Father! The spirit bears witness with our spirit that we Are Gods children (ROMANS 8;15,16).
Speaking of Gods adopted sons, the Bible states: “They will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings wit him for the thousand years” (REVELATION 20:6) With Christ, Gods adopted sons will receive a place as kings in Gods Kingdom.

5. If those who are born again will rule as Kings in heaven, over whom will they be ruling?

God purposed to save 2 small groups of people – a small group of rulers living in heaven and a large group of subjects living on the earth. John wrote “He is a propiatory sacrifice for our sins, ye not for ours (the small group) only but for the whole worlds (the large group) – 1 JOHN 2;2
The apostle Paul wrote “The eager expectation of the creation (the large group) is waiting for the revealing of the sons of God (the small group)” ROMANS 8:19-21.

Those who are born again will become part of a government in heaven, to bring everlasting benefits to millions of people, subjects of Gods government who will be living on the earth. Therefore Jesus taught his disciples to pray ‘let your Kingdom come, let your will take place AS IN HEAVEN, ALSO UPON EARTH” MATTHEW 6:10

The same truth regarding salvation being extended to 2 groups is also found in the Old Testament . God told Abraham “By means of your seed (the small group) all nations of the earth 9the large group) will certainly bless themselves GENESIS 22:18. Blessings were to be made through Abraham’s seed. Who is that seed? Jesus Christ joined by those who experience the new birth, the adopted sons of God. “If you belong to Christ, you are really Abrahams seed” (GALATIANS 3:16, 29)

What are the blessings that come to people of all nations through the “seed”. The privilege of being restored to Gods favor and enjoying life without end on a paradise earth. King David prophesied “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside upon it forever. PSALM 37:29, ISAIAH 45:18, REVELATION 21:1-5.

It is my fervent wish Mickey that I should not be part of the small group, but the larger one, living on a beautiful earth which God originally intended.

Kind regards

Emma wrote: "Hello Mickey,

The only place in the Bible where the expression “born again” is found is JOHN 3:1-12 In the account Jesus describes several aspects of the “new birth”. An..." That is a mouth full, If I had your address I would send you a, out of print copy of my book, "Elijah the Last prophet' Malachi 4:5 it is similar to "The Way The Truth And The Life" Either book is what you need.

You say you want to be in the larger group. How many was on Noah's boat? 8 It says few will find the way. In Sodom and Gomarrow they couldn't find 10 people that were righteous.

Sin is in the heart. To eliminate it, it happened to me physically.

4. When you mentioned the Holy Ghost, then you went into what Paul said, who I said before is the advocate for Satan. You have to be physically changed before the Holy Ghost will dwell in your body. Paul said a light shown from heaven. In other words nothing physically touched him as it did me, that told me right away Paul was never saved. To be saved I couldn't possibly put it any plainer then Ezekiel 36:26-25-27

You said born again is only mentioned once. That is the parodox of the parables and allegory parables that God gave to His Son Jesus to reveil to mankind. would it make any difference if it was mentioned twice.

In your other reply you mention the 24 Chapter of St Matthew a lot. What was the first thing Jesus mentioned when they asked Him, what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? "take heed that no man deceive you." Many will be deceived.

Hello Mickey,
Thankyou for your kind offer for your book.

As mentioned earlier Mickey, there are 2 groups of people that Jesus spoke of. Those that rule in heaven, and those that will live here on the earth. Noah although he preached for 40yrs only saw 8 of his family safe through the flood. As in the days of Noah are so our days will be, there is not going to be a mass conversion of people mickey. Most are apathetic, so yes "narrow is the gate leading off into eternal life, and few are the ones finding it. The rest will be cut off at Armageddon. The larger group would be those of the Great crowd mentioend at Rev 7:9 This is the group that I want to belong to, not the heavenly group.

A MAN once asked Jesus: “Lord, are those who are being saved few?” How did Jesus reply? Did he say: ‘Just accept me as your Lord and Savior, and you will be saved’? No! Jesus said: “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able.”—Luke 13:23, 24.

Many people have been told that “believing on Jesus” is a single act and that our faith does not have to be strong enough to prompt obedience. But the Bible disagrees. Jesus did not say that people who begin the Christian course are saved. Instead, he said: “He that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.” (Matthew 10:22) The Bible likens our Christian course to a race, with salvation being the prize at its end. And it urges: “Run in such a way that you may attain it.”—1 Corinthians 9:24.

Salvation is a free gift from God. It cannot be earned. Yet it does require effort on our part. If someone offered you a very valuable gift and you did not show enough appreciation to pick it up and take it with you, your lack of gratitude might prompt the giver to present it to someone else. Well, how valuable is the lifeblood of Jesus Christ? It is a free gift, but we must demonstrate deep appreciation for it.
True Christians are in a saved condition in that they are in an approved position before God. As a group, their salvation is sure. Individually, they must meet God’s requirements. However, we can fail, for Jesus said: “If anyone does not remain in union with me, he is cast out as a branch and is dried up.”—John 15:6.

Your theory on Paul is rather interesting, albeit incorrect. It reminds me of what the Pharisees accused of Jesus at Matt. 12:22-32 . That is was by means of Satan that Jesus expelled the demons. What was Jesus reply “ If Satan expelled Satan he would be divided against himself and his kingdom could not stand. And if Paul was an advocate of Satan, his healings therefore would be by means of Satan would they not? Jesus very clearly warned the Pharisees “Every kind of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in the present system of things nor in that to come.”—Matt. 12:22-32.

When you look at Paul’s life course what do you see? Do you really see an advocate for Satan? It would not make sense for Saul(Paul) who was persecuting Christians left right and centre, to then convert to Christianity.As Saul he could have truly been an advocate for Satan. Why change?

While on the road to Damascus, paul saw a light and heard a voice “Paul why are you persecuting me? At this point he was blinded and for three days he neither ate nor drank. Then, while praying in the house of a certain Judas at Damascus, Paul, in vision, saw Christ’s disciple Ananias come in and restore his sight. When the vision became reality, Paul was baptized, received holy spirit, partook of food, and gained strength.—Ac 9:9-19

Paul did not receive holy spirit on the road to Damascus by way of a light Mickey.Acts 9:17 “
So An•a•ni´as went off and entered into the house, and he laid his hands upon him and said: “Saul, brother, the Lord, the Jesus that appeared to you on the road over which you were coming, has sent me forth, in order that you may recover sight and be filled with holy spirit.” And immediately there fell from his eyes what looked like scales, and he recovered sight; and he rose and was baptized, and he took food and gained strength.

You quoted 2 scriptures in Isaiah and Ezekiel and therefore I urge you to look at them carefully.

Isaiah 14: 13-14
“As for you, you have said in your heart, ‘To the heavens I shall go up. Above the stars of God I shall lift up my throne, and I shall sit down upon the mountain of meeting, in the remotest parts of the north. I shall go up above the high places of the clouds; I shall make myself resemble the Most High.’

READ: EZEKIEL 28:13-15, 17 “Onto the earth I will throw you. Please compare REVELATION 12:9 “So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

Is this talking about the Apostle Paul? Or is this talking about Satan himself? The Bible is quite clear. Paul was an apostle to the nations, bearing witness to kings and Queens for the sake of the good news, being persecuted for being a Christian. That is hardly the works of an advocate for Satan.

Emma wrote: "Hello Mickey,
Thankyou for your kind offer for your book.

As mentioned earlier Mickey, there are 2 groups of people that Jesus spoke of. Those that rule in heaven, and those that w..." You read a Bible that is foreign to me. If it is foreign to me, it is that way to God. Isaiah 14 in the King James Bible 13 it reads For thou hast said in thine heart, (it means to me, God looks on the heart of satan and man) then all the I's it is what is in Satan's heart. The last sentence I will sit also upon the Mount (all) of the congregation, (Churches and religions) Jesus never said he was going to rule the churches and religions, He said he was the door, watching who came in which would tell Him who was seeking salvation. St John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. (it wasn't until I left the protestant church that I was saved at a gasoline service station)

I shall make myself resemble the Most High? My Bible says I will be like the most High. See the difference, I still recommend you throw your Bible in the trash.

It is hard for me to believe that you don't want to be in the group in heaven with Jesus but the group that will be on the earth. What if there is only one group that is saved, and they will be removed because of the distruction on the earth, then after the carnage the one group will be with Jesus when he comes back to rule a thousand years. In St Matthew 26:29 (it hents that we will have a feast in heaven, a great supper, with the saints of God) 29---I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Mickey it was never the intention of God for man to live in heaven, it was always Gods intention that man would live here eternally on earth. If Adam would never have sinned then would he have eventually gone to heaven. The answer is No.

If the Bible that you use is correct does it stick to the original language, does it use Gods name or does it use the alternative of Lord or adonai? Gods name was originally used over 7000 times in the original manuscripts, do we see Gods name today, no due to jewish suppostition they saw Gods name too holy to use. It is rather strange when Jesus himself in the Lords prayer "Hallowed be thy name" What name can we hallow or make known or sancify if it is not used? Jesus said that he made his fathers name known..what name?

Even in your own King James Bible of 1611 at PSALMS 72:8 It uses the LORD, many Bibles use Gods name here. Maybe this Bible is not so accurate. But look at the scriptures that I gave you and see for yourself.

Unfortunately there are many Bible transaltions that have been altered to suit the beliefs of the translator. Certain scriptures that were not in the original Greek manuscripts, for instance in some older transaltions where it speaks of the apostles handling snakes and drinking poison, and also the scripture where it talks of 3 witness bearers and these 3 are one, both those scriptures are not in the original Greek manuscripts but were added much later to suit the beliefs of the translator, the latter was changed for Trinitarians.

I think you are playing with semantics ..be like and resemble are the same thing Mickey.

Jesus is the way and no one comes to father except through him. All authority has been given Jesus in heaven and on earth.There is not going to be one group that is saved, there are 2 Mickey, those that rule in heaven and those that will live here on the earth.

I quote from your own Bible PSALMS 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

PSALMS 72;6-8 He shall come down like rain upon the mown grass: as showers that water the earth.
072:007 In his days shall the righteous flourish; and abundance of peace so long as the moon endureth.
072:008 He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.

MATTHEW 26:29 Jesus was speaking to his disciples who were of "the little flock" 144,000 so yes they would rule with Jesus in heaven. Mickey if there is only one group then who do these rule over?

They are Kings and priests and is not for us to choose, these are a limitedd number Mickey.

Why is it so difficult to believe that i would want to live here on the earth in paradise conditions like those of Adams day? Wasnt the earth created for man to cultivate the ground and take care of the animals? Wasnt it Gods will that Adam and Eve reproduce here on the earth and fill the earth?

ISA 55:11 'So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Emma wrote: "Mickey it was never the intention of God for man to live in heaven, it was always Gods intention that man would live here eternally on earth. If Adam would never have sinned then would he have even..." That is true about Adam but he sinned and because of the righteousness of God Jesus had to die on the cross for our sins. Revelation 21;1-27 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away: and there was no more sea. Harassing snakes is not of God. The Old Testament was the Old way and Jesus brought in a new dispensation and a way out of the carnage that is coming on the earth. St John 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be:---. 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you unto myself; where I am, there ye may be also.

Emma wrote: "At Matthew 24:37-39, Jesus Christ made a comparison between the days of Noah and the last days, where we now find ourselves. He said: “Just as the days of Noah were, so the presence (parousia) of t..."

There is an alternative explanation of Noah’s ark, and of why Christ compared the circumstances of His return with that story. The first thing of note about Noah was that he was a physical person, who was a “just man and perfect in his generation and (he) walked with God” (Genesis 6:9); just as Christ, on His return, will be the just and perfect One of our generation. So at the Second Coming, Christ will be the Noah of our time. He will build His Ark (new Religious system). The rain will fall from heaven (new Revelation from God through Him). Upon this Revelation, the Ark of His religious system will sail. Anyone who joins the Ark (Religious system) will be numbered with His “elect” and will be saved. The others who refuse to get under this system will be drowned spiritually.

You appear to suggest that the Second Coming will not involve the physical presence of Christ. That scenario should only be presented as a “possibility”, and not as a rigid fact. Other possibilities can be derived from the Bible, and these have been highlighted in my book: “Gatekeepers”. Those who adhered to dogmas at the First coming, failed to recognize the Lord of mankind. The ones who recognized Him were simple, open-minded people who did not allow dogmas, or traditions, or the popular expectations, or their learning to veil them from the truth of the Messiah’s presence. That is why Christ said that if you do not become like a little child, you cannot enter into the Kingdom. (Luke 18:17) Simplicity, open-mindedness, and a passion to search for truth from all sources will be the key to success in the New Day, for “he that seeketh findeth” (Luke 11:10)

“Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth…” (Revelation 16:15).

Kobina wrote: "Emma wrote: "At Matthew 24:37-39, Jesus Christ made a comparison between the days of Noah and the last days, where we now find ourselves. He said: “Just as the days of Noah were, so the presence (p..." To compare Jesus, the son of God to Noah is asinine and never did I ever suggest that the second coming of Christ was not going to be physical. You say, 'he that seeketh findeth.' what about only the chosen and those drawn to the Lord will be saved. St John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:---.

St John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you---. Mark 13:20 ---but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. That verse is another reason I don't read Luke, there are a lot of mistakes in Luke.

To appreciate the truth regarding how Christ comes again we must first of all appreciate how he came the first time and why he came in that way. He came in a way that was unique, for he had a prehuman existence. The Scriptural testimony is unequivocal in this regard. Said he: “No man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven.” “Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” “Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory which I had alongside you before the world was.”—John 3:13; 8:58; 17:5

why did the Word become flesh? First of all, that he might preach the truth to humankind. He said that he came forth for the purpose of preaching and told Pilate: “For this purpose I have been born and for this purpose I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth.” Secondly, he also became flesh to demonstrate that a perfect human creature could prove faithful under test: “He learned obedience from the things he suffered.” And finally, he was produced out of a woman so that he could give his soul or life as “a ransom in exchange for many.” All mankind had come under condemnation because of the sin of a perfect man; only the sacrifice of a perfect life could relieve mankind of the condemnation of sin and death.—John 18:37; Heb. 5:8, 9; Matt. 20:28

Should we expect Christ to come again in a human body? No. Why not? Among other reasons, because he accomplished the threefold purpose for which, as we have just seen, he became flesh, and so he no longer needs a human body. Not only that, but having sacrificed his human life as a ransom, to take it back would be to cancel the ransoming of the human race. Besides, we are plainly told of his “being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit.” Also, that in contrast with the first Adam, who was “out of the earth and made of dust,” Christ Jesus as “the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.” He ascended to heaven, something no human could do, for “flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom.” ‘He is now the reflection of his Father’s glory and the exact representation of his Father’s being.’—1 Pet. 3:18; 1 Cor. 15:47, 45, 50; Heb. 1:3

The angels said that Jesus would come, not in the same form, but in the same manner. His manner was quiet and unobserved except by his immediate followers. So his return would at first be observed only by his followers who had faith in him.—Acts 1:11

Jesus said: “a little longer and the world will behold me no more.”—John 14:19. Christ Jesus comes again for the purpose of judging and executing judgment and, as the Head of mighty spirit forces, he is the mightiest and most glorious of them all.—Rev. 19:11-15

Emma wrote: "To appreciate the truth regarding how Christ comes again we must first of all appreciate how he came the first time and why he came in that way. He came in a way that was unique, for he had a prehu..."

What about Elijah of the old testament didn't he ascend into heaven? 2 Kings 2;11 ---there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirwind into heaven. 8:58 and 17;5 I will admit the two verses are harder to explain. I believe that Jesus was in the mind of God from the beginning and God knew that mankind was going to sin and would need a saviour, but the physical body of Jesus never existed until Mary became impragnated by the spirit of God and He came into being. If Jesus existed why doesn't it say in the Old Testament that all you have to do is believe on Jesus in your heart and you will be saved. Why did God have all the sacrifices done in Leviticus if the saviour was by His side? St John 1:14 And the Word (which was with God from the beginning) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. There are many verses in the Gospels that seperate the two. That is why I don't believe in the trinity but quadruple god head.

You say Jesus was put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit. You haven't brought up before any other statment that needs correction more then this one. St John 20: 19---Piece be unto you. 20 And when he had so said, he showed unto them his hands and his side. ---. 24 Thomas, one of the twelve, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. 26 ---then came Jesus, ---. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answeared and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Other books has similar descriptions of the event. Does this sound like He was a spirit when He left.

You bring up a few questions Mickey that are very interesting, and I will try my best to answer them using the scriptures.

1. TO what were the heavens to which Elijah ascended?

These were neither the distant parts of the physical universe nor the spiritual place where God and his angelic sons dwell. (Deuteronomy 4:19; Psalm 11:4; Matthew 6:9; 18:10) “The heavens” to which Elijah ascended were the atmospheric heavens. (Psalm 78:26; Matthew 6:26). Racing through earth’s atmosphere, the fiery chariot evidently transferred Elijah to another part of the earth, where he continued living for a time.

If Elijah had infact gone to heaven, how was it that he Years later, i wrote a letter to Jehoram, the king of Judah.—2 Chronicles 21:1, 12-15.?

That is why Jesus Christ said, “No man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man,” that is, Jesus himself. (John 3:13) The way to heavenly life was first opened up to imperfect humans after the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ.—John 14:2, 3; Hebrews 9:24; 10:19, 20.

2. Predestination

Although God has the ability to foresee the outcome of any event Mickey, “Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.”—Acts 15:18 it doesn’t mean that he has to. Much like a strong man who has the ability to lift weights, doesn’t have to lift weights all day to prove he can do so. He can do so at his own discretion. This is the belief of predestination that everything has been predetermined by God. Is this a Bible teaching?


If God foreordained and foreknew Adam’s sin and all that would result from this, it would mean that by creating Adam, God deliberately set in motion all the wickedness committed in human history. He would be the Source of all the wars, the crime, the immorality, the oppression, the lying, the hypocrisy, the disease. But the Bible clearly says: “You are not a God taking delight in wickedness.” (Ps. 5:4) “Anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.” (Ps. 11:5) “God . . . cannot lie.” (Titus 1:2) “From oppression and from violence he [the One designated by God as Messianic King:] will redeem their soul, and their blood will be precious in his eyes.” (Ps. 72:14) “God is love.” (1 John 4:8) “He is a lover of righteousness and justice.”—Ps. 33:5.

3. Jesus pre human existence

Jesus did not have a physical body before coming to the earth, but a spirit one, as we know that flesh and blood cannot live in the heavens. But he did have a prehuman existence in the heavens and the scriptures testify to this.

What if you should see the Son of man [Jesus:] ascend to where he was before?”—John 6:62

Jesus, in his prehuman existence, was “the first-born of all creation.” (Colossians 1:15, NJB) He was “the beginning of God’s creation.” (Revelation 3:14, RS, Catholic edition). “Beginning” [Greek, ar•khe´:] cannot rightly be interpreted to mean that Jesus was the ‘beginner’ of God’s creation. In his Bible writings, John uses various forms of the Greek word ar•khe´ more than 20 times, and these always have the common meaning of “beginning.” Yes, Jesus was created by God as the beginning of God’s invisible creations.

As “Wisdom” in his prehuman existence, Jesus goes on to say that he was “by his [God’s:] side, a master craftsman.” (Proverbs 8:30,

Jesus is not equal to his father, but a separate creation. Jesus was the only begotten son of God, the only whom God created directly, all other thigns came into existence after Jesus, through Jesus.

Hence, when the Bible speaks of God as the “Father” of Jesus, it means what it says—that they are two separate individuals. God is the senior. Jesus is the junior—in time, position, power, and knowledge.

4. How could Thomas have touched Jesus if he did not have a physical Body?

“Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, that he might lead you to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit 1 PETER 3:18

Acts 10:40, 41: “God raised this One [Jesus Christ:] up on the third day and granted him to become manifest, not to all the people, but to witnesses appointed beforehand by God.” (Why did not others see him too? Because he was a spirit creature and when, as angels had done in the past, he materialized fleshly bodies to make himself visible, he did so only in the presence of his disciples.)

Luke 24:36-39: “While they [the disciples:] were speaking of these things he himself stood in their midst and said to them: ‘May you have peace.’ But because they were terrified, and had become frightened, they were imagining they beheld a spirit. So he said to them: ‘Why are you troubled, and why is it doubts come up in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; feel me and see, because a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you behold that I have.’”
Humans cannot see spirits, so the disciples evidently thought they were seeing an apparition or a vision. (Compare Mark 6:49, 50.) Jesus assured them that he was no apparition; they could see his body of flesh and could touch him, feeling the bones; he also ate in their presence. Similarly, in the past, angels had materialized in order to be seen by men; they had eaten, and some had even married and fathered children. (Gen. 6:4; 19:1-3) Following his resurrection, Jesus did not always appear in the same body of flesh (perhaps to reinforce in their minds the fact that he was then a spirit), and so he was not immediately recognized even by his close associates. (John 20:14, 15; 21:4-7) However, by his repeatedly appearing to them in materialized bodies and then saying and doing things that they would identify with the Jesus they knew, he strengthened their faith in the fact that he truly had been resurrected from the dead.

If the disciples had actually seen Jesus in the body that he now has in heaven, Paul would not later have referred to the glorified Christ as being “the exact representation of [God’s:] very being,” because God is a Spirit and has never been in the flesh.—Heb. 1:3; compare 1 Timothy 6:16.

Emma wrote: "You bring up a few questions Mickey that are very interesting, and I will try my best to answer them using the scriptures.

1. TO what were the heavens to which Elijah ascended?

These were neither..."

God is a Spirit? Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:---. Is God a lier 27 So God created man in his (own) image, in the image of God created he him: male and female created he them. There might have been a women before Eve, but the Bible doesn't dwell on it.

Mickey Iam trying to see your point?

When God made man in his image it does not mean that he made him a spiritual creature, but made him with Gods qualities, Gods main attributes are Love,Wisdom,power and Justice but Love is the dominant quality the Bible never says that God is power,God is wisdo, but it does say that he is Love. When using his other attributes he uses it with love in mind. As humans we have the capacity to show Gods main qualities in the way we deal with each other.

Emma wrote: "Mickey Iam trying to see your point?

When God made man in his image it does not mean that he made him a spiritual creature, but made him with Gods qualities, Gods main attributes are Love,Wisdom,p..." Whould you take a good look at mankind in it's present form. Man has caused most of the problems. In Cambodia after the VN war they couldn't bury all the bodies. In Africa, cutting down all the trees has made it a waste land. Wars have caused Famine, and Men, women, and children, being slatered. 9 million er-responsible people living on a postage stamp of Hatti. 50% under eighteen years of age. The Chinesse as big as there country is limited the family to one baby. I could probably go on forever showing the outragious behaviour of mankind. You say love is all we need? Genesis 6:6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. There is more money for the preachers in love, then the truth. The past ten years fiction sells, and one of the christian book stores in my home town will only stock fiction books. He threatened to call the police if I wouldn't leave.

Hello Mickey,
I never said Love is all we need, but if you really think about it if people did love one another would we have the problems we face today as regards crime, violence and war? Hardly! But my main point was not to say that we need love, but God has given mankind the capacity to love, it is only with becoming imperfect, that imperfection being inherited from Adam, that mankind in general has deteriorated, as they are now alienated from God.We are under sin, that is why we grow old and die.If Adam had not sinned he would have lived forever on this earth, the garden of Eden would have spread about the entire earth into a global paradise, filled with perfect humans, animals would be at peace with humans. When Adam disobeyed God, he really brought into question Gods sovereignty or his right to rule. After all what did Satan say to Eve in the Garden of Eden "you can become like God GEN 3:5. The first human chose not to follow Gods guidance, making her own decisions as to good or evil instead of following Gods guidelines. Thus she turned her back on God and his sovereignty.She wanted to be her own master, her husband Adam pursued the same course ROM 5:12 That is why it is important today to follow Gods guidance and acknowledge his sovereignty.

Emma wrote: "Mickey it was never the intention of God for man to live in heaven, it was always Gods intention that man would live here eternally on earth. If Adam would never have sinned then would he have even..."

Concerning God's name that you mentioned, Emma, is there only one name for God? In every language of the world, there is a distinct name for God. Does it matter? No, as long as we know Whom we are referring to, isn't that so? God, after all, is not merely a name; He is a reality.

"Say: Call upon God or call upon the All-Merciful: by whichsoever name ye will, invoke Him, for He hath most excellent names." (Qur'an 17:110)

Emma wrote: "Hello Mickey,
I never said Love is all we need, but if you really think about it if people did love one another would we have the problems we face today as regards crime, violence an..." It is a dangerous thing to, "as you say put all your love and faith in someone or some thing." Thou shalt love thy God with (all) thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The first commandment and the second is Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. I believe it has nothing to do with (love) I believe it means to do no harm to your neighbor, and every body is your neighbor. Just as Jesus said He was our friend. Does God realy care if you love one another. Think not That I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. and a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worth of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. When he gave us the commandments it reads, "I am a jealous God, another place it reads, My name is Jealous. I'm sorry but I don't love any thing or anybody living or dead except Jesus and God.

Kobina wrote: "Emma wrote: "Mickey it was never the intention of God for man to live in heaven, it was always Gods intention that man would live here eternally on earth. If Adam would never have sinned then would..." That is true (IF) adam did not sin, but God knew Adam was going to sin. Does sin just follow the blood line of the male, why not because if it followed the women Mary couldn't have produced a saviour without sin. It plainly says more than in one verse that the elect or saved would be removed from the earth I don't know why you want to stay here. It says the moon will stop giving light and the sun will be darkened.

Mickey wrote: "Kobina wrote: "Emma wrote: "Mickey it was never the intention of God for man to live in heaven, it was always Gods intention that man would live here eternally on earth. If Adam would never have si..."

If God predetermined man’s fall before his creation and that he had predestinated the ‘chosen ones’ before that fall.If this were true, would it not have been hypocritical for God to offer the prospect of everlasting life to Adam and Eve, fully aware that they would be unable to realize it? Moreover, the Scriptures nowhere deny that the first human couple were given a choice: either to follow divine directions and live forever or to reject them and die.—Genesis, chapter 2.

The fact that God did not choose to know which course mankind would take did not prevent him from prophesying the consequences of man’s good or bad actions. A mechanic who warns a driver of the poor condition of his vehicle cannot be held responsible if an accident occurs or be accused of predestining it. Likewise, God cannot be accused of predestining the sad consequences of individuals’ actions.

Later, the Mosaic Law warned the Israelites about what would happen if they turned away from God, for instance, by taking wives from among the pagan nations. What was foretold did happen. This can be seen from the example of King Solomon, who in his later years was influenced by his foreign wives to practice idolatry. (1 Kings 11:7, 8) Yes, God warned his people, but he did not predestine what their individual actions would be.

Man was given free will, being created “in God’s image.” (Genesis 1:27) Free will was indispensable if humans were to honor and serve God out of love, not as robots with every movement determined beforehand. Love displayed by intelligent, free creatures would enable God to refute unjust accusations. He says: “Be wise, my son, and make my heart rejoice, that I may make a reply to him that is taunting me.”—Proverbs 27:11.
If God’s servants were predestined—or programmed, so to speak—could not the genuineness of their love for their Creator be called into question? Also, would it not be contrary to God’s impartiality for him to make a predetermined choice of persons destined to glory and happiness without taking their individual merits into account? Moreover, if some receive such preferential treatment, while others are destined to eternal punishment, this would hardly arouse sincere feelings of gratitude in the “elect,” or “chosen ones.”—Genesis 1:27; Job 1:8; Acts 10:34, 35.
Finally, Christ told his disciples to preach the good news to all mankind. If God has already chosen the ones to be saved, would this not dampen the zeal Christians show in evangelizing? Would it not make the preaching work essentially pointless?

Mickey wrote: "Kobina wrote: "Emma wrote: "Mickey it was never the intention of God for man to live in heaven, it was always Gods intention that man would live here eternally on earth. If Adam would never have si..."

It is true Mickey that Armageddon and the Great Tribulation will be a terrible time for this earth and the people on it, but Gods word assures us that those hoping in him will be saved.

Dan. 2:44: “The God of heaven will set up a kingdom . . . It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite.”

Rev. 7:9, 10, 14: “I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: ‘Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.’ . . . ‘These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation.’”

These the Great Crowd are the ones that will survive Armageddon, those that will live here on the earth. The anointed or elect are to rule in heaven with Christ.

The earth is not going to be destroyed. Ecclesiastes 1:4 A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite.

Psalm 104:5. "He has founded the earth upon its established places;
It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever.

Prov. 2:21, 22, KJ: “The upright shall dwell in the land [“on earth,” NE:], and the perfect [“blameless men,” NE:] shall remain in it. But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.” (Notice that it does not say the blameless will return to the earth but that they “shall remain in it.”)

Mickey wrote: "Emma wrote: "Hello Mickey,
I never said Love is all we need, but if you really think about it if people did love one another would we have the problems we face today as regards crim..."

I think it sad that you dont love anybody Mickey, God has given us the capacity to love and be loved in return.

If God did not care whether we loved one another or not, then why would he instruct us in his own word to love?

“Have intense love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.—1 Pet. 4:8.

“Love one another intensely from the heart.”—1 Pet. 1:22.

“If I have the gift of prophesying and understand all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to transplant mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. And if I give all my belongings to feed others, . . . but do not have love, I am not profited at all.”—1 Cor. 13:2, 3, NW.

“I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.”—John 13:34, 35.

Christians are to imitate this expression of love. This is not a matter of choice but is really an obligation that we have, to love one another. He says: “Beloved ones, if this is how God loved us, then we are ourselves under obligation to love one another.” (1 John 4:11) So here John emphasizes the importance of Jesus’ “new” commandment. (John 13:34, 35) Christians should be exemplary in showing love to one another. God himself has set the example in showing principled love (agápē) to his earthly children. So, as obedient children, and as God’s servants, we should follow that example and show love, not only for God, but for one another.

John again confirms this obligation and shows the seriousness of the matter, at 1 John 4:20 and 21, where he writes: “If anyone makes the statement: ‘I love God,’ and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar. For he who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot be loving God, whom he has not seen.

“Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword.” (Mt 10:32-40) Jesus’ ministry brought divisions, even within families (Lu 12:51-53), Jesus warned that the teachings of God’s Word would cause divisions even in households and within families. “Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth,” he said. “I came to put, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be persons of his own household.”—Matt. 10:34-36.

Now, Jesus did not go around stirring up trouble within families, intentionally setting family members against one another. He had genuine love for people and wanted to see them live together in peace. However, his teachings did have the effect of a sword upon some families, dividing members who accepted Bible truth from those who clung to false religious traditions. This was not the fault of Jesus or the minister bringing his teachings, but the fault rested with the family members who refused to examine their traditional religious ideas in the light of God’s inspired Word. They are the ones who stirred up trouble and fought against those who wanted to study the Bible.

Kobina wrote: "Emma wrote: "Mickey it was never the intention of God for man to live in heaven, it was always Gods intention that man would live here eternally on earth. If Adam would never have sinned then would..."

Hello Kobina,
I can only speak from a christians point of view, as I am not muslim.But using the personal name of God distinguishes him from the millions of man-made gods, such as the 330 million gods of India.

: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name.”—Matthew 6:9. Jesus told us to pray first of all for the sanctification of God’s name. So surely using Gods name is important.

On one occasion when he was praying publicly to God, he was heard to say: “Father, glorify your name!” And God himself answered: “I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.”—John 12:28, The Jerusalem Bible.

Do you know Gods name? Surprisingly, the majority of the hundreds of millions of members of the churches of Christendom would probably find it difficult to answer that question. Some would say that God’s name is Jesus Christ. Yet Jesus was praying to someone else when he said: “I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world.” (John 17:6) He was praying to God in heaven, as a son speaking to his father. (John 17:1) It was his heavenly Father’s name that had to be “hallowed,” or “sanctified.”
Yet many modern Bibles do not contain the name, and it is rarely used in the churches. Hence, far from being “hallowed,” it has been lost to millions of Bible readers. As an example of the way Bible translators have treated God’s name, consider just one verse where it appears: Psalm 83:18. Here is how this scripture is rendered in four different Bibles:
“Let them know that thou alone, whose name is the LORD, art the Most High over all the earth.” (Revised Standard Version of 1952)

“To teach them that thou, O Eternal, thou art God Most High o’er all the world.” (A New Translation of the Bible, by James Moffatt, of 1922)

“Let them know this: you alone bear the name Yahweh, Most High over the whole world.” (Catholic Jerusalem Bible of 1966)

“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.” (Authorized, or King James, Version of 1611)

In the Hebrew language it is written יהוה. These four letters, called the Tetragrammaton, are read from right to left in Hebrew and can be represented in many modern languages as YHWH or JHVH. God’s name, represented by these four consonants, appears almost 7,000 times in the original “Old Testament,” or Hebrew Scriptures.

The name is a form of a Hebrew verb ha•wah´ (הוה), meaning “to become,” and actually signifies “He Causes to Become.” Thus, God’s name identifies him as the One who progressively fulfills his promises and unfailingly realizes his purposes. Only the true God could bear such a meaningful name.

For a name to be used 7000 times don’t you think that God wants us to use that name?

How can we sanctify Gods name or hallow Gods name if we use titles such as Lord.

The disciple James remarked during a conference of the elders at Jerusalem: “Symeon has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name. And with this the words of the Prophets agree.” (Acts 15:14, 15) The apostle Peter, in his well-known speech at Pentecost, pointed out a vital part of the Christian message when he quoted the words of the prophet Joel: “Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will get away safe.”—Joel 2:32; Acts 2:21.

The expression “Hallelujah,” meaning “Praise Jah,” appears repeatedly in the book of Revelation.—Revelation 19:1, 3, 4, 6.

However, Jesus and his followers had prophesied that an apostasy would occur in the Christian congregation. The apostle Peter had written: “There will also be false teachers among you.” (2 Peter 2:1; see also Matthew 13:36-43; Acts 20:29, 30; 2 Thessalonians 2:3; 1 John 2:18, 19.) These warnings were fulfilled. One result was that God’s name was pushed into the background. It even got removed from copies and translations of the Bible

Emma wrote: "Kobina wrote: "Emma wrote: "Mickey it was never the intention of God for man to live in heaven, it was always Gods intention that man would live here eternally on earth. If Adam would never have si..." What is the problem with using the name God meaning God. When the name Lord is used it means God and the spirit in the Old Testament. In the New Testament it means God, Spirit, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost or the totality of the God Head. In other words your straing at a Gnat and have swallowed a camel. St Matthew 23:24

Emma wrote: "Mickey wrote: "Emma wrote: "Hello Mickey,
I never said Love is all we need, but if you really think about it if people did love one another would we have the problems we face today a..." Paul he would want people to love one another instead of God, that way more will be with him when the smoke comes about. What does mankind pursue, a wife, three to thirteen children, two dogs, a cat, and a thirty year morgage. We're not counting the Mormans, one man had 46 children and five wives, or Hatti, where it got so crowded they have to do sex standing up, half are Catholic, and the other half are voodo. They refinance the morgage to make it a life time affair. When I was saved I almost had nothing and I have no idea how a family mentioned above get saved, because it is so up close and personal for a individual. Was Jesus married, "this is the way," was John the Baptist married, or was there any mention of the family life of his disciples, it is so important according to you, to love'm until they find another to love.

Mickey wrote: "Emma wrote: "Kobina wrote: "Emma wrote: "Mickey it was never the intention of God for man to live in heaven, it was always Gods intention that man would live here eternally on earth. If Adam would ..."

Mickey wrote: "Emma wrote: "Kobina wrote: "Emma wrote: "Mickey it was never the intention of God for man to live in heaven, it was always Gods intention that man would live here eternally on earth. If Adam would ..."

Why not use Lord Mickey?; I will give you an example in Psalms 110:1 “My Lord said to my Lord sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet”

There is nothing wrong with using the title Lord, but by replacing the name of God with the title Lord, you are unable to distinguish who the verse is referring to.

If the scripture was in its original form it would say “Jehovah (Yahweh) said to my Lord sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet. You see the difference?

This is what the Translation committee of the American Standard Version of 1901 stated: “The American Revisers, after a careful consideration, were brought to the unanimous conviction that a Jewish superstition, which regarded the Divine Name as too sacred to be uttered, ought no longer to dominate in the English or any other version of the Old Testament, as it fortunately does not in the numerous versions made by modern missionaries. . . . This personal name [Jehovah:], with its wealth of sacred associations, is now restored to the place in the sacred text to which it has an unquestionable claim. So it was merely removed due to suppostition. But this doesn’t make it right does it?

Nowhere in either the Old or New Testament is the Holy spirit referred to as Lord, maybe you can post the scriptures to which you are referring to. Nowhere in the Old Testament do we find any clear indication of a Third Person. Hence, neither the Jews nor the early Christians viewed the holy spirit as part of a Trinity. That teaching came centuries later. As A Catholic Dictionary notes: “The third Person was asserted at a Council of Alexandria in 362 . . . and finally by the Council of Constantinople of 381”—some three and a half centuries after holy spirit filled the disciples at Pentecost!

Mickey wrote: "Emma wrote: "Mickey wrote: "Emma wrote: "Hello Mickey,
I never said Love is all we need, but if you really think about it if people did love one another would we have the problems w..."

Why are you equating Love Mickey with Marriage? In the Greek language there are 5 words to describe love, but in the hebrew language there are 8. Why? Because there are different forms of love, the way you love you mother, is not the way you love your sister, the way you love your sister is not the way you love your grandmother, there are different degrees and ways of loving.

In the Bible, marriage is seen as a clean, holy gift from God. The Genesis account of creation clearly portrays marriage as “good” in God’s eyes and obviously not as a barrier to a spiritually pure relationship with God.

The apostle Peter and other approved servants of God holding positions of authority in the early Christian congregation were married men.

PETER: And Jesus, on coming into Peter’s house, saw his mother-in-law lying down and sick with fever (Matthew 8:14)

AQUILA: And he found a certain Jew named Aq´ui•la, a native of Pon´tus who had recently come from Italy, and Pris•cil´la his wife, (Acts 18:2)

PHILIP: The next day we set out and arrived in Caes•a•re´a, and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelizer, who was one of the seven men, and we stayed with him. 9 This man had four daughters, virgins that prophesied (Acts 21:8, 9)

(1 Corinthians 9:5)

The Bible certainly does not condemn singleness if it is freely chosen. The Bible recommends it as a desirable course for some. (1 Corinthians 7:7, 8) Jesus Christ said that some men and women deliberately choose a course of singleness. (Matthew 19:12) Why? Not because there is something inherently impure about marriage that would hinder their spiritual development. They choose this course simply to focus their efforts on doing God’s will in what they perceived to be urgent times.

Emma wrote: "Mickey wrote: "Emma wrote: "Mickey wrote: "Emma wrote: "Hello Mickey,
I never said Love is all we need, but if you really think about it if people did love one another would we have ..." If I would have got out of the Navy and instead of buying a business invested in a wife and six kids, how would that have effected my salvation. It couldn't have happened because I believe the spirit of God controls your destiny, if your name is written in the lambs book of life. From birth I was destined to be saved. It is obvious to me you study the Bible much more then I do. What I go on is the fact that My heart was replaced that I was born with, and thirty days later received the Holy Ghost, and all this was done physically. I don't need to study the Bible as much as you do. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. St John 10:28-29 You won't spend 12 dollars on my book so I'll tell you perhaps again I believe I'm Elijah. Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: (Jesus) but with the sanction of the Father, that is why Lord is used here. It also means all is fulfilled that needs to be fulfilled if it is sanctioned by the Father.

Taking in knowledge is important Mickey, but that knowledge must be accurate and based on scripture not on theologies or our own thinking.By disregarding 14 books of the inspired scriptures you are most certainly missing out on a wealth of that accurate knowledge, so If I know a little bit more, it is only because I have faith in the entire word of God. By not believing in those 14 books, you are really saying that the Bible in its entirety is inaccurate even your King James 1611. I dont need to spend 12 dollars on a book when I have the Bible for free and when it contains everything that I need. "All scripture is inspired of God" tht includes those 14 books. You have never responded to any questions which I have posted to you, either on your belief that you are Elijah. How many people today are claiming to be prophets, David koresh comes to mind, Charles Manson, Jesus was the last prophet Mickey and what he did on the earth and the warnigns he gave was enough for us, now we have the Bible, and if you are then what confidential information has God given you to tell to people of the nations as in scripture it says that God will not do a thing unless he has revealed his purpose to the prophets. 1 Peter 3:15 says "That you must always be ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you.So as Christians it is important to be able to explain from scripture why we believe in what we do. Why do you disregard the apostle Paul and the books that he wrote. Think Mickey, that if you are wrong then imagine the consequences of that, what you say regarding Paul reminds me very much of what the false religious leaders of jesus day said of Jesus, that he was from Satan. What did Jesus say if those people. To believe in what we do must be backed up by scripture and not emotion.

You must not believe St John 5:43 Lets take St James 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engulfted word, which is able to save your souls. Jesus said in St John 3;3-5 Unless you are Born again you will not (see the power) or if your not born again and receive the Holy Ghost you will not (enter) into the kingdom of god. What about Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness: and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the Lord shall be saved. 14 (You need a preacher, they like that it creates more money) Sin is in the heart How can any of this remove sin in the heart. St John 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honor one of another, and seek not the honor that cometh from God only? 3:27 ---A Man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. Ezekiel 36: 26-25-27 I asked a person one time, Is their anybody on this earth today, that you would trust your soul with? He said no, I said but you would trust someone that lived 2000 years ago, like Paul? There is not a shread of evidence that emotion gets in the way of my thinking, it happened to me Physically and I can show you a verse that covers every thing that happened to me.

Well if you dont trust someone that lived 200oyrs ago Mickey...then why trust Jesus? I think I have discussed and reasoned using scriptures what being born again is all about and that it is ot a matter of personal choice. It is true that we all need to call upon the Lord, but we need to know who we are calling upon, are we calling upon Jesus or God, most christians beleive these are one and the same, when they are not. So surely it is important to know who you are calling upon?

Jesus also said :those that have endured to the end are the oens that will be saved" so it is not merely saying "I believe in the Lord' Tv evangelists would have you believe that this is all you have to do is say a prayer of faith or say I believe and ccept Jesus as my Lord and savior. If as Jesus said you have to endure to the end, then this requires effort, and exercising faith is not merely with words but with action, to exercise oness body requires effort. It is a shame that these preachers are only interested i gaining members so that they can earn more money from tithes (which by the way is also unscriptual) we are not jews, and God loves a cheerful giver, not a cheerful tither.

But again, why do you not accept the 14 books of the Bible that Paul wrote? I still dont understand and I would like to. I would also like to understand why you think you are Elijah? You dont seem to answer any questions that I pose to you. I wonder why not. Alot of people can relate how they had a spiritual experience, for everyone that experience is something differnt. But that does not mean that we claim to be an ancient prophet. When that prophet is dead, and the dead "know nothing at all" Ecl 9:5

You must admit it is a little strange.

The scriptures in the 14 books don't come close to St John, Matthew, and Mark. His conversion in Acts wasn't even close the way I was saved. He said he went to a house and some jurk prayed over him and he received the Holy Ghost. Who was the jurk? The Holy Ghost will not live in a unclean body and shinning a flash light in the vicenity of some one, how can that remove the sin in your body. I was born again with my heart removed and replaced and 30 days later, when my body was clean I received the Holy Ghost.

I have answeared your questions but you can't understand just like the Bible says. So you say over and over that I'm not answering your questions How many understood Noah? If they understood him there would have been more people on his boat. They couldn't find 10 righteous in Sodom and Gomorrah.

How could Paul get it right, he never had the Words of Jesus written in the Gospels as we have today?

The jerk that you mentioned was a man by the name of Ananias. Who the Jews, referred to as a man “reverent according to the Law, well reported on by all the Jews dwelling there [in Damascus:].” In view of his being a Christian, such Jewish commendation was indeed a remarkable testimony to his right conduct.—Ac 9:10-18; 22:12-16.

More is involved than merely saying " I am saved" and more is involved than a mere emotional response. James said Faith wothout works is dead by itself"

once you are in the way of salvation, exert yourself to stay in it. You cannot earn salvation by works; faith is what is needed. (Rom. 3:10-12; Gal. 3:11) But you do need to exercise your faith by practical works that give proof of it. (Jas. 2:14-17, 26) That is what the apostles did. They especially gave emphasis to the preaching work that Jesus commanded be done by Christians. They realized, as we must, that rather than merely giving salvation to anyone who says he has accepted Him, Jesus “became responsible for everlasting salvation to all those obeying him.”—Heb. 5:9.

Paul : “I am grateful to Christ Jesus our Lord, who delegated power to me, because he considered me trustworthy by assigning me to a ministry, although formerly I was a blasphemer and a persecutor.” And far from being proud because of his office, he humbly asked his brothers to pray for him that he might have the needed freeness of speech so as to give a good witness.—Eph. 3:8; 6:18, 19; 1 Tim. 1:12, 13, NW.

Paul was a fine example of how people can change their lives and turn around their former way of life.

Paul was shown such mercy because his heart was right. “I was shown mercy, because I was ignorant and acted with a lack of faith.” (Acts 26:9, 10;1 Tim. 1:13,Paul did not call attention to himself: “My speech and what I preached were not with persuasive words of wisdom but with a demonstration of spirit and power, that your faith might be, not in men’s wisdom, but in God’s power.” (1 Cor. 2:1-5; 2 Cor. 1:12;1 Thess. 2:3-6

Paul was politically and religiously free, he made himself a slave to all that he might gain the most persons to Christ. He became all things to people of all kinds so that he might by all means save some. (1 Cor. 9:19-23.

Paul was greatly rewarded for his faithfulness. He was given supernatural visions and heard words that it was not lawful for man to speak. (2 Cor. 12:1-5) He had the privilege of writing fourteen of the twenty-seven books of the Christian Greek Scriptures. His writings are masterpieces of calm reasoning, clear logic. How ably he presents the case for justification by faith in his letter to the Romans! How fully he proves the teaching of the resurrection, and in his first letter to the Corinthians how well he shows how love works! How strikingly he makes clear to the Galatians the folly of wanting to return to Moses’ law! How convincingly he presents the proofs to the Hebrews that Jesus was indeed the Son of God and the Messiah! Truly, though his bodily presence may have been weak, his letters were most powerful.—2 Cor. 10:10.

As Paul faced certain death at the hands of Nero he could look back with confidence that he had fought the right kind of fight, and that the heavenly reward assuredly awaited him. (2 Tim. 4:6-8) What an example Paul left for us! How much greater would be the witness given if more shared his appreciation of the Christian ministry!

If Paul was not a follower of Christ I dont know who is! :-)

Emma wrote: "The jerk that you mentioned was a man by the name of Ananias. Who the Jews, referred to as a man “reverent according to the Law, well reported on by all the Jews dwelling there [in Damascus:].” I..." Would you look at what you have written. (who the Jews, referred to as a man "reverent according to the Law.) Didn't Jesus bring a new message and He eliminated the Law of the old Testament, of sacrifices, etc.. Jesus was the sacrifice at His death, for mankinds sins. It says the Law ended with John the Baptist. St Matthew 11:13

Than faith with works is the salvation experience, like the salvation army.

Paul said he was saved. In his conversion nothing hit
Paul, he said he saw the light. Is God as week kneed as that to shine a light on someone for salvation? Have you ever saw a light in a church from God?

The world is full of people that have turned their life around, but did they do it according to the Gospel of John, the only book in the Bible that has the secret of how one is saved. 14:11 and 10:38 What happens is Ezekiel 36:26-25-27
God's power, to remove a heart from a person takes power and to give one from God takes power.

Satan gave Paul permission to write half of the New Testament. Isaiah 14: 13-14

Look at the people in Iraq that are blowing themselves up for nothing.

Paul was not a follower of Christ, he hated God.

I have tried to explain why I don't except Paul's writting. St John 5:43 Jesus said we must be born again did Paul ever come close to saying the same thing? Did Paul ever say that a person had to receive the Holy Ghost, as Jesus did in St Matthew 3:16 (the Dove "Holy Ghost" went in Jesus mouth and down His throat) it never lighting upon him. That is where in The Acts they put the Holy Ghost set on each of them, You see that a lot in churches???????? Tongues has nothing to do with receiving the Holy Ghost. Could Satan deceive all the nations without his part in the New Testament?

John 14:11 and 10:38 speak about being in union with God. This does not mean in a literal sense but in thoughts and purpose. Many Trinitarians take the scripture out of context at John 10:30, that this means that Jesus was referring to himself as the father and that they were one. Jesus meant that they were one in thoughts and purpose as later on in John 17:22 Jesus prayed on behalf of his disciples that they also become one with him and his father. Jesus was not praying that they become part of the Trinity God head, but they become one in thoughts and purpose. The Greek word ‘hen” refers to unity, the same word is used when Jesus spoke of marriage that a man will leave his mother and his father and he will stick to his wife and they will become “one flesh”. This is the oneness spoken at John 14:11 and 10:38.This does not refer to how one is saved.

The scripture Satan’s presumptuous attitude was reflected by a Babylonian ruler who is recorded as boasting “to the heavens I shall go up. Isaiah 14;13-14 That rulers undertaking failed and the Babylonian dynasty came o an end. This is not speaking about Paul.

The holy spirit (not ghost) it was only translated to ghost because in German the word for spirit is geist. At Jesus baptism he received Holy Spirit when the dove descended upon him, the bible does not say that it went down his throat?

Christians today should worship with spirit and truth and you shouldn’t have to see some supernatural occurrence to know that you have been saved. Yes it happened at Pentecost, but today do we see people with flames of fire on their heads? No. It is not necessary. You are right that speaking in tongues has nothing to do with being saved. Speaking in tongues was for the first century Christian congregation, 1. To show that Gods favor had now switched from the Jewish system to the Christian one, and 2. So that the good news could be preached. The way that some churches conduct themselves speaking gibberish is hardly what happened in the first century, and speaking in tongues was a way to communicate and spread the good news worldwide.

Could Satan deceive all the nations without his part in the New Testament. Satan deceived people by certain teachings, as Jesus himself said would happen. Today there are many teachings which are not scripturally based.

1. Trinity
2. Hellfire
3. Immortality of the soul
4. All good people go to heaven
5. Infant baptism
6. Clergy laity distinctions
7. Predestination
8. Kingdom of God – people pray for something they do not know what it is)
9. God’s name removed from Bible replaced by Lord
10. Easter, comes from the goddess Eastre a Goddess of fertility, that is why you see eggs and rabbits around this time of year.
11. Christmas, Jesus not born on Dec 25, he never said to celebrate his birth but his death. All this tied up in pagan religions, xmas tree, mistletoe, Yule log.

Keep making sure that all things are acceptable with the Lord. These celebrations do not glorify God.

Did Satan have a role to play in all these false teachings? Ofcourse no doubt about it. But Jesus said you will recognize them by their fruits. Paul did not certainly hate God, if he was on Satans side then he surely didn’t do a very good job. But this is something that I am not going to debate any longer. The Bible says that they have ears but they do not hear. And Jesus told his followers to shake the dust off their feet to ones who did not listen.

Some have a zeal for God, but not according to accurate knowledge. I wish you all the best in your quest in finding that accurate knowledge, as the time left is reduced.

Emma wrote: "John 14:11 and 10:38 speak about being in union with God. This does not mean in a literal sense but in thoughts and purpose. Many Trinitarians take the scripture out of context at John 10:30, that ..." St John 10:38 and 14:11 Is the two verses behind the Parable on how you are saved. I believed on the phone after I had went to the Alter in a church that I could heal my Mother. In other words I believed in my heart on one of the works that Jesus did. That was the trigger that the spirit needed to save me and it gave me a New Heart. It was the first experience. Jesus said you have to believe, but you have to believe in your heart.

Satan said he would be like the most High. How could he be like the most High without having a advocate as Jesus was to God. The Father taught Jesus what to say and do, just as Satan taught Paul. St John 8:28 Jesus said He was the door. Satan said he would be in charge of all of the congregation, Churches and religions. Isaiah 14:13 Jesus said Satan was a murderer. I believe Paul saw Stephen stoned to death and saw that if he could contaminate the word it would work much better.

He that blesphemies against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven, I don't care what the Germans are doing. The only other word associated with it is the Comforter. People say that you receive the Holy Spirit when you raise your hand to receive salvation also but it is a blatant lie.

The Holy Ghost went down my throat on the way to my job from Long Beach to Los Angelas at 6:30 AM. It also came thru the windshield of a 1959 Thunderbird, on the word "Boy." That is why I say you don't need baptism in water. Because it went in my mouth and down my throat that is why I know it was the same with Jesus. St John 3:27 ---A Man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. 6:33 For the bread of God is he (Holy Ghost) which comrth down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 14:16 ---he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;

The Spirit that Jesus had on the cross was the Holy Ghost that He received when John baptized Him. That is why it was removed from Him on the cross. The Holy Ghost can't die and it was given back to Him inside the cave. St Matthew 27: 50 ---yielded up the ghost. Mark 15:37 ---and gave up the ghost. St John 19;30 ---gave up the ghost. St Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father into thy hands I commend my spirit; and having gave up the ghost.

Trnity is four and seperate. God, Spirit, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost. I also believe in predestination. I believe Lord is ok it signifies the total God Head.
You must believe the sacraments are celebrating his death. Matthew 26;29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.