Outlander Series discussion

I am just under half way of Voyager. So far, its probably my fav. It was definatly a page turner, wanting to find out how both Jamie and Claire lived for the 20 years they wre separated. The whole time I felt so much anticipation, knowing that they would reunite. I was a little dissapointed though. I was hoping that their reunitng would be better. It seemed like they only had a few pages of intamicy, then it jumps right into the polical things. It almost seems as if Claire is a nuesence to Jamie. I feel like she is almost out of place.
Right now I am at the part where the print shop burned down. And the question I had was. Young Ian said he knew who the one eyed seaman was, but he never does say who he was. Is it some character that we've heard of before? Or is it someone that both Jamie and Young Ian now, but we don't know who he is just yet?

I think the reunion is odd -- and then he has to take her with to a bar? But that is Jamie -- he has obligations and he won't let them go.

True, I guess Claire just kinda jumped in there right in the middld of Jaime doind bussiness. It's not like he can take a holiday to be with her.

Katelyn wrote: "I am just under half way of Voyager. So far, its probably my fav. It was definatly a page turner, wanting to find out how both Jamie and Claire lived for the 20 years they wre separated. The who..."

I think Ian just knew him from following him around the taverns.

And he the reunion scene - if it were me and it had been 20 years since I had seen my honey, I would be wondering first whether he was with someone then and secondly if he's even attracted to me anymore now that I'm 20 years older. I would want to run into his arms but then what if he stammered about a wife and kids or gave me a "what the hell happened to you?" look. I probably would have just stood there to see his reaction first. Maybe Jaime felt the same - knowing he's a different man, worried about her even liking who he is now and freaking out a little. I too wish they would have had more time to talk and hold hands before they had to run off for Mr. Willoby and all that was happening with the smuggling. But then, would I be able to stop everything I'm doing (legal and illegal) at the drop of a hat? It seemed more true to life the way it played out.

Claire was quite worried about her apperance when she went back.
First she asking Joe is she was sexually atracive. Then before she got to Jamie's shop she talked to the mother with the 3 children to figure out just how old she was. The mother was only 29, but from her descrition she didn't look to attractive.

Carolyn F. wrote: "Katelyn wrote: "I am just under half way of Voyager. So far, its probably my fav. It was definatly a page turner, wanting to find out how both Jamie and Claire lived for the 20 years they wre sep..."

I totally agree with you. I really like the way Diana handled the reunion scene. You expect it to be over the top like Hollywood has made us believe it always should be, but I like they she keeps it real. All the questions and insecurities they both have make it awkward, its hard for them to just fall back into everything. I know i'm not the same person i was 5 years ago, let alone 20 years. Things change and I like that Diana keeps it real.

I agree, I thought the reunion scene was perfect. They are both going to be naturally unsure of each other and they need to be able to get to know each other again.

I'm currently listening to Voyager but have read it...can't believe all I continue to pick up on! Anyway, what about Jamie and the Freemasons??? As a devout, though not active, Catholic what the heck is he doing as a Mason??? The Catholic Church has always been against Catholics joining and frankly, I always thought it to be a Protestant organization. I hope some of you can help me understand this!

It is explained that this is before the Catholic Church decides to discourage membership. That question comes up several times in different books of the series and this is the answer given each time.

Thanks, apparently I missed that too!

At first I was hoping for the over the top Hollywood reunion scene, but after reading the whole scene, I think Gabaldon got it just right. I mean, Jamie did faint, that's a pretty big reaction! And, I could see how it would be nerve racking and awkward having not seen each other for 20 years. When they finally did get reacquainted in the bedroom...man, that was perfect! They were both nervous about not being to each other what they once were when they were young, but found that time and age made no dent to their passion for each other. I'm swooning now! I'm about a third of the way into The Fiery Cross and I don't even think about their age, I could read about Claire and Jamie forever! I just love this series.

Jesse wrote: "At first I was hoping for the over the top Hollywood reunion scene, but after reading the whole scene, I think Gabaldon got it just right. I mean, Jamie did faint, that's a pretty big reaction! An..."

Me too Jesse! I'm about a third of the way into The Fiery Cross too, and their actual age never really occurs to me... until I remind myself that Claire DOES have a twentysomething year old! J&C are such great individual characters and they are amazing together.

Voyager and Outlander go hand and hand for me. They are my favorites. I think DG handled the reunion so perfect.

Jennifer wrote: "... what about Jamie and the Freemasons??? As a devout, though not active, Catholic what the heck is he doing as a Mason??? The Catholic Church has always been against Catholics joining and frankly, I always thought it to be a Protestant organization. I hope some of you can help me understand this!"

Well, first, I guess you have learned that what you "always thought" was just wrong. You've learned something.

The Church did not condemn membership in Freemasonry until Pope Clement XII issued his Bull, In Eminenti, in April 1738. His primary objection to Freemasonry was that it fostered notions of democratic over autocratic government. This was in conflict with the Church's long standing support of autocratic monarchs.

(NOTE: I'm getting a "first strike" notice, indicating I'm doing something wrong. I've read this "warning" several times now, but cannot figure out what it is I'm doing wrong.)

Speculative Freemasonry was so strongly entrenched in Scotland, where it began, that most Freemasons simply ignored the Papal condemnation. King James VI of Scotland was a Freemason and a Catholic, and so were many of the courtiers and Catholic nobility.

There were two opposing types of Freemasonry in the 1700s, the Ancients and the Moderns. The Tories who supported the Stuart cause tended to be of the "Ancients" type of Freemasonry, which included Scottish and Irish Freemasonry. This is where most Catholic Freemasons were found. While the Whigs, supporters of the Protestant House of Hanover, tended to be of the "Moderns" type of Freemasonry. These were the London stuffed shirts.

Many, many Jacobites, mostly Catholic, especially among the Scottish nobility, were Freemasons, and continued to be so well into the 19th century.

(I wish I knew what I did to earn my "first strike.")

Basically it's like this, when we took over moderating the group the biggest problem that many members were having was the rampant spoilers.

We had many many members leave because they came to discuss Outlander and were finding out about Fiery Cross.

Trying to figure out how to set up the group to make everyone happy was hard to do, so we came up with the MISC thread where the members create their own threads and can set the rules. Then, we decided on a thread for each specific book so that there was a 'safe place' for everyone to talk. This same concept went into the making of the Moby threads and the television thread.

Things got out of control when the television started. When we were asking that people move into the correct threads we were met with arguments from some members. We realized that with the start of the show, and the influx of new members from the television show that we needed new ground rules. The PM was your notification.

That notification stands as everyones first warning, just as any new members who join the group and see the rules on the home page would know that us putting the rules there also serves as their first warning.

If you're nice to everyone and you try to follow the rules, there will be no problem at all. In the time that we've modded the group we've never actually kicked anyone out, and we're hoping that we won't have to.

Well, all that is interesting, but I guess I'm still a bit miffed about having one strike against me.

I know that I was responding to an old posting, but no one had even attempted an answer to it, and I knew that others would want an answer to this question. Getting my hand slapped was not what I expected for trying to be helpful and informative.

I haven't read any of these books, and don't even own one, so I can't spoil anything in the fictitious story-line for anyone. However, I do know quite a bit about the early history of European Freemasonry, especially during the period of the Scottish Risings of 1715 and 1745, and how the various factions within Freemasonry influenced, and were influenced by, the politics of the period: Whigs vs. Tories, Moderns vs. Ancients, Hanoverians vs. Stuarts, Loyalists vs. Jacobites, etc.

I guess my feeling is that historical facts should not be considered spoilers for these works of fiction. For example, everyone should know that, ultimately, the Stuarts and their Jacobite supporters lost at the Battle of Culloden. That's just history.

Another example: Mentioning that the ship sinks at the end of "Titanic" (the movie) should not be considered a spoiler. Everyone should know that already. LOL

Nothing about anything you posted is wrong. It was a mass message. To all members of the group. We didn't email you to chastise you about a post in 2010.

If you haven't posted in the group since 2010, which you haven't, please feel free to ignore it.

It was a mass message telling ALL members of the new rules. That's all.

gertt wrote: "Katelyn wrote: "I am just under half way of Voyager. So far, its probably my fav. It was definatly a page turner, wanting to find out how both Jamie and Claire lived for the 20 years they wre sep..."

I loved that too Gertt, not knowing if the person would react the same or be interested or whatever. So good!

The one-eyed man was in the employ of that jerk in Edinburg... He was trying to find something on Jami when he was pressed into boat service. He was also the one who spotted J&C on the ship of the sick. Both Jamie and Ian would have known him from being tracked by and warned that a one-eyed guy was looking for them. Moral of this story: if you are trying to be sneaky sneaky... Don't send someone who stands out, t
Like a blood one-eyed man!

Voyager is one of my favs, and I love meeting up again scene.

hey guys - we have a specific thread on Voyager in the books discussion folder - so I am going to lock this and archive it - because continue your discussion there! Thanks