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Hey guys. Moderators, I'm sorry if I broke a rule here, I'm just wanting to know what people think about this.
Alright, so this is my question: at the end of the world, Jesus will reappear and be shown as the Lord of Lords and King of Kings; knowing this, would you rather be alive when that day comes or already be with God?

*ponders* Well, I'm not sure about this. I hate talking about my religion because others are always so quick to judge.

Alex-wa wrote: "No It's fine. I'm glad that someone besides the mods are making a new topic. No rules broken. :)
But about your question-hm.
I've actually thought about this one before.
I don't know whether I'd wa..."

i SO know EXACTLY what you mean! i have thought about this too. for me sometimes it's like 'well, i wanna live for a long time - have a long, full life . . . but i should be happy to just be with Jesus' - like if he comes before i'm an old woman, say (if i am to live that long), i should just be thrilled beyond words that i'm going home. but idk . . . idk if i want to be alive or not. it would be amazing but terrifying. i dunno :)

but yeah. ultimately God alone knows, and i don't know that i wanna know either. ;)

you mean you hate talking about it around people who don't believe in God, or you mean you hate talking to anyone in general about your religion or is it your opinion of judgment day? (lol feeling duuuuumb here :D)

hey, you can even call me dumb, but i'm just trying to understand what you mean (i'm really not the brightest light bulb out there ya know :) ) ;)

i know what you mean, alex. it's like you don't want to bring it up in front of people, and yet the bible clearly says we must. that doesn't mean you walk around screaming 'HI I'M A CHRISTIAN I BELIEVE IN GOD HI I'M A CHRISTIAN I BELIEVE IN GOD HI . . . ' but yeah. when someone is, say, mocking God or disrespecting God or whatever, we HAVE to stand for Jesus, our Lord, no matter what ridicule/opposition we get. yes, it can be unbelievably hard . . . but Jesus never promised following Him would be easy, did He? :)

ha ha wow i keep leaving these king kong comments every discussion i go to . . . sorry, y'all x * )

well....its a hard question. so therefore its hard to answer. ( yeah, i know you're probably thinking "no duh, Savannah" right 'bout now)

I've thought about it some before. Use to i would think about if i was a good christian if god would really take me, if i messed up would he still want me, a lot of pretty depressing things (i thought most of it like when i was 8)...i had this nightmare that would really scare me, i'll tell ya'll bout it later if you remind me to.) anyways... i would always think that i would want to be dead when it happened....i'm not sure why, i just always thought that.

i know exactly what you mean! i've thought that way too. 'i need to be good so God will love me/save me' - but that's not true! it's by grace alone we're saved - we can never be good enough. x)

aaaaand yet i still feel that way sometimes. 'i'm not good enough to come before God and pray! i'm not good enough, i'm not good enough, i'm not good enough . . . ' lol :)

i don't think i've ever really completely figured out what i want to be the case for me when it happens . . . not that it will matter what i 'figure out' coz God will do what he wants :)

i know right. when it came to the end of it...i just thought. he'll do what he'll do....and its his decision. (if that makes sense?)

it does ;)

Kaleb wrote: "Hey guys. Moderators, I'm sorry if I broke a rule here, I'm just wanting to know what people think about this.
Alright, so this is my question: at the end of the world, Jesus will reappear and be ..."

Well, if I do something to change this world, then die, I wouldn't mind it the least bit. And no, I'd rather be with God when Kingdom comes.

My goal is to stop terrorism for GOOD.

ya.....good luck.

Aquanetta wrote: "My goal is to stop terrorism for GOOD."


My goal too. I think your career goal is to be a soldier?

Nor do I!

Girl4beluga wrote: "I don't think you have to be a christian to get into heaven."

then how do you get into Heaven?

Doing good for other people, being unselfish, being generous- there are loads of ways.

ok

If God is in Heaven, that would make Heaven perfect right, because God is perfect, and God can not be in the presents of evil. Do you believe that?

I believe that those who didn't believe in Jesus and/or God while they were alive are given a chance to believe after their death.

N.S.A (Search for the truth) wrote: "ok

If God is in Heaven, that would make Heaven perfect right, because God is perfect, and God can not be in the presents of evil. Do you believe that?"

No. Well, not exactly. God can be in the presence of evil, because Jesus talked to Satan and Jesus is a form of God. I don't know whether God is altogether perfect, and whether that would make Heaven perfect.

Chiara *♥☺Eat cheesecake.....NOW☺♥* wrote: "N.S.A (Search for the truth) wrote: "ok

If God is in Heaven, that would make Heaven perfect right, because God is perfect, and God can not be in the presents of evil. Do you believe that?"

No. We..."

No he can't be in evil, Jesus is God's son and not God him self. I believe that God is perfect and that you have to believe and accept that Jesus died on the cross to be saved. God can not look upon us because to him, we are just black sickness or some thing gross (from our sins) but if we believe in Jesus, ask forgiveness. That changes what we look like to God. Jesus is like the middle man so to speak.

Also, God is Jesus- have you never heard of the sign of the cross? God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, three in one.

Chiara *♥☺Eat cheesecake.....NOW☺♥* wrote: "Also, God is Jesus- have you never heard of the sign of the cross? God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, three in one."

Not all Christian denominations believe that. Some believe that Jesus is only the Son of God, not God himself.

N.S.A (Search for the truth) wrote: "Chiara *♥☺Eat cheesecake.....NOW☺♥* wrote: "N.S.A (Search for the truth) wrote: "ok

If God is in Heaven, that would make Heaven perfect right, because God is perfect, and God can not be in the pre..."

I don't agree with that. Sin (and evil) are things that damage our relationship with God, others, and ourselves. He does not find us disgusting. He understands that we are not perfect and wants us to try to find ways to fix any way that we damage our relationships.

Rachel (aka. Kaiserin Sisi) wrote: "Chiara *♥☺Eat cheesecake.....NOW☺♥* wrote: "Also, God is Jesus- have you never heard of the sign of the cross? God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, three in one."

Not all Christian de..."

I suppose.

Rachel (aka. Kaiserin Sisi) wrote: "N.S.A (Search for the truth) wrote: "Chiara *♥☺Eat cheesecake.....NOW☺♥* wrote: "N.S.A (Search for the truth) wrote: "ok

If God is in Heaven, that would make Heaven perfect right, because God is..."

Thats what I meant to say BUT the only way we can have a relationship is though Jesus.

Its kind of hard to wrap your mind around this. Jesus is not God but the Son, and what you say is true but Jesus is who God sent to die for us. There is even the verse's that Jesus is talking to his father, not to him but his father. In the garden when he cried blood because he was afraid of getting crucified. And then when Jesus was on the cross, he said: "About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Jesus is not talking to him self but his father.

Some Christians believe that God has three different parts: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit/Ghost. They say that Jesus, the Son, was both human and divine. I've heard two other explanations for that line: 1) Jesus, the Son, was addressing the Father; and 2) The human part of Jesus was addressing God.

I don't know what my opinion on this is.

N.S.A (Search for the truth) wrote: "Rachel (aka. Kaiserin Sisi) wrote: "N.S.A (Search for the truth) wrote: "Chiara *♥☺Eat cheesecake.....NOW☺♥* wrote: "N.S.A (Search for the truth) wrote: "ok

If God is in Heaven, that would make He..."

That is perfectly true, Jesus spoke to his father. He is a separate being to God. But they are connected in a spiritual way- Jesus has God's powers. You can have a relationship to both of them.

But even if non-Christians are able to get to Heaven without following Christianity, those who were Christians still have a benefit: they have had the opportunity to develop their relationship with God throughout however much of their life they believed, which is a reward in itself.

Also, I believe that Hell is being separated from God. When we die, we have the option to continue/start developing a relationship with God, or to not be with Him. He does not force us to be with Him.

Girl4beluga wrote: "it is a little contradictory in my opinion."

Were you referring to my comment or Alex-wa's?

Girl4beluga wrote: "Lol...no...."

Is that "lol" implying that there is something wrong with being Catholic?

Because, I might be sort of Catholic. *glares*

Alex-wa wrote: "Rachel (aka. Kaiserin Sisi) wrote: "Girl4beluga wrote: "Lol...no...."

Is that "lol" implying that there is something wrong with being Catholic?"

Aren't you Catholic?"

I float somewhere between Catholic and Quaker. :D

Girl4beluga wrote: "Rachel (aka. Kaiserin Sisi) wrote: "Girl4beluga wrote: "Lol...no...."

Is that "lol" implying that there is something wrong with being Catholic?"

no...but I find it random"

Oh, ok. :)

I have a question, I dont know if you covered this all ready but: do you think 2012 is when the earth will be the end?

ya me to

but one thing will happen, a new president will be voted in and I am HAPPY for that.

I don't know about the new president thing. If the press could blame "W" for Katrina when it was the responsiblity of the local and state government to ask for help and yet they let "O" have an out on the oil drilling disaster. I mean the feds inspect those platforms and certify them. Then the government wouldn't allow Gov. Jindal to build barriers to protect the wet lands from the oil spill and "O" still isn't blamed... He has it made. The only challenge that he has is if Hillary leaves her post to run against him. People that left the Clinton's camp to support "O" will come back in droves and unite the Dems and moderates to get things accomplished.
The republicans will still be spinning their wheels and not gaining any tractions. The best that the republicans have is Romney and at this time the Evangelicals and African Americans (the few that vote rep.) will not vote for a Mormon based upon the beliefs that the Mormons have held in the past and present.

Alex-wa wrote: "Jim wrote: "I don't know about the new president thing. If the press could blame "W" for Katrina when it was the responsiblity of the local and state government to ask for help and yet they let "O..."

I agree...and especially about Obama.

Girl4beluga wrote: "Isn't the "christian" God all about forgiveness??? And who said life was fair???"

He forgives any sinner (which we all are) who repents and trusts in Him. Life may not always be fair, but GOD is.

Okay, every opinion of yours seems to go against the group. Not that the majority is always right, but in this case the majority is Christian, so they are right. How are you a Christian if you don't believe in the Bible, OR that God is perfect and all-knowing, OR that gay marriage is wrong, OR that evolution is wrong??? Put aside these issues for the moment - you define yourself as Christian. So why?

Sandy wrote: "Okay, every opinion of yours seems to go against the group. Not that the majority is always right, but in this case the majority is Christian, so they are right. How are you a Christian if you don'..."

ya I agree! I also have been thinking about when you say 'I am a Christan' Girl4beluga. To me, I don't think your a real Christan

Girl4beluga wrote: "I am a christian because I believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and that God is a loving, caring and forgiving God."

Okay… so do you deserve hell?

Isn't one of the main ideas about being Christian is that all Christians are united through a common belief in Jesus Christ, and all other differences are irrelevent?

Rachel (aka. Kaiserin Sisi) wrote: "Isn't one of the main ideas about being Christian is that all Christians are united through a common belief in Jesus Christ, and all other differences are irrelevent?"

but they are relevant. If you believe in God, then you love him right? Well God says in his word, that if you truly love him, you will obey and do what he says in his law. And he has a rule for every group we have been talking about. And Girl4beluga has taken the Abortion side, kind of the evolution side, and so on

Girl4beluga wrote: "what...why??? Because I am not a conservative christian????"

A common belief amongst Christians is that we all deserve to go to Hell, but if we believe in Jesus and God, then we will be saved from the fate we deserve.

That reasoning…doesn't make sense. If Girl4bega isn't a Christian, then I am in no way united to her. And about the hell comment, I wasn't trying to swear at you or anything - it was an inquiry about your beliefs.

Girl4beluga wrote: "N.S.A (Search for the truth) wrote: "Rachel (aka. Kaiserin Sisi) wrote: "Isn't one of the main ideas about being Christian is that all Christians are united through a common belief in Jesus Christ,..."

If your religious beliefs and moral beliefs are intertwined, as they are for most religious people, then they are religious issues, at least, the morality of the issues is a religious issue.

Girl4beluga wrote: "N.S.A (Search for the truth) wrote: "Rachel (aka. Kaiserin Sisi) wrote: "Isn't one of the main ideas about being Christian is that all Christians are united through a common belief in Jesus Christ,..."

yes it does! It says right there in the Bible!

because if you believe in God and believe in the bible, the bible says that marriage should be one man and one woman, but if you say your a Christan and then believe some thing else, that contradicts what the bible says and what God's rules say.

I don't know if this is a good example but: Its like saying you hate rock music, but then you listen to it all the time.

Not everyone believes that the Bible is literal.

Girl4beluga wrote: "N.S.A (Search for the truth) wrote: "because if you believe in God and believe in the bible, the bible says that marriage should be one man and one woman, but if you say your a Christan and then be..."

then what do you call it? What do you call it when you know the rules but then take the other side and don't believes that it contradicts the rules?