The Sword and Laser discussion

Why must you be such a creepy old man in this post.

Oh my word, that is SOO not right.

Heh, It's not THAT creepy; at least he didn't make any lewd jokes about reading Tyrion's part...

Well, this is the guy who wrote sex scenes involving a fourteen year old girl having sex with a Mongol warlord.

Veronica wrote: "Why must you be such a creepy old man in this post."

So that's what acid reflux feels like.

Sean wrote: "Well, this is the guy who wrote sex scenes involving a fourteen year old girl having sex with a Mongol warlord."

And don't we just love him for it! Daenerys is one of my favorite characters and storylines.

I wish he had more time to focus on the next book in the series.

Well it is LiveJournal.

Veronica wrote: "Why must you be such a creepy old man in this post."

Men are awkward around women their whole lives. It never stops.

Hmm, the post itself I don't find too creepy. At least, not when compared to that emoticon at the end. It's just...staring...

Tom wrote: "Well it is LiveJournal.

Veronica wrote: "Why must you be such a creepy old man in this post.""

Yeah, his emotion on that post is "horny." I'm not lying!

This thread reminded me of something Martin said many, many years ago. After a bit of googling, I managed to dig it up.

(Context: Someone pointed out a continuity mistake in one of his books.)

As to this glitch... I think my defense in that the account in The White Book is correct. Ser Barristan is an old man, after all, recounting things that happened in his youth. You ought to see me and my friends sitting around at a con:

ME: Hey, remember Torcon 2, when Joe Haldeman found two naked girls in a bathtub of grape jello. Alice and Angela, wasn't it?

SOMEONE ELSE: It was lime jello, you idiot, and it was Big Mac, not Torcon. Three were three girls -- Betty, Veronica, and Lee.

JOE: Lime jello, two girls, it was Applesusan and Avedon, and it was Discon.

Sci-fi authors are pervy. At least he's not John Norman.

Veronica wrote: "Why must you be such a creepy old man in this post."

Speaking as a male of an age when girls seem to think I'm invisible, I wonder if your reaction would have been the same if GRRM was aged in his twenties and really handsome? I suspect not.

Ditto!

Jim wrote: "I wish he had more time to focus on the next book in the series."

Nah, even in his 20's it still woulda been creepy.

Noel wrote: Speaking as a male of an age when girls seem to think I'm invisible, I wonder if your reaction would have been the same if GRR..."

Noel wrote: "Veronica wrote: "Why must you be such a creepy old man in this post."

Speaking as a male of an age when girls seem to think I'm invisible, I wonder if your reaction would have been the same if GRR..."

Pervs are gross at any age, they just get more and more degenerate with age. Sort of like moldy bread.

Noel wrote: "Veronica wrote: "Why must you be such a creepy old man in this post."

Speaking as a male of an age when girls seem to think I'm invisible, I wonder if your reaction would have been the same if GRR..."

Creepy is creepy, but it does seem more creepy when it's someone speaking about much younger girls.

Noel wrote: Speaking as a male of an age when girls seem to think I'm invisible, I wonder if your reaction would have been the same if GRR..."

This is age related!? Thank God, at what age do I become opaque?

Kind of funny honestly. I think he was honestly going for the humor.

I kind of think it would have been slightly less skeevy if he hadn't put "horny" as his mood. It was creepy enough with just the "I need to take a cold shower" part.

Philip wrote: "Noel wrote: "Veronica wrote: "Why must you be such a creepy old man in this post."

Speaking as a male of an age when girls seem to think I'm invisible, I wonder if your reaction would have been th..."

I'm really fed up of this PC nonsense that regards healthy interest in the opposite sex as 'pervy'. There is a lot of self righteous prissy nonsense talked. Ok, I admit it. I find pretty women attractive. If the moral majority find it pervy I couldn't give a monkey's chuff.

' just because thou art so virtuous, can there be no more cakes and ale?'

Sir Toby Belch, Twelfth Night

sorry if anyone read and was replying to my post - just reread what I wrote previously (now deleted) and what GRRM wrote and I take back my comments

I not revert to my usual position - on the fence!

terpkristin wrote: "I kind of think it would have been slightly less skeevy if he hadn't put "horny" as his mood. It was creepy enough with just the "I need to take a cold shower" part."

I don't think that would make a difference. The problem with Martin's comment is the subject.

Imagine if instead he'd said, "I just saw some footage of Tyrion and Shae's first love scene. Whoa! I need a shower." That'd be okay -- he'd be talking about a scene that is designed to be sexy. The mood would still be TMI, but it'd be a compliment to the cast and crew.

But he's aiming it at the actresses trying out for the part. I suppose the casting director asked them to bring the sexy, but presumably they're also expected to display some acting chops. But what Martin focuses on is their attractiveness, reinforcing the notion that Hollywood casts women based upon breast size.

Just imagine that Martin was sitting in on the interview for any other job, and after seeing a bunch of young female applicants, he made the same comment.

(That said, there are some movie forums I frequent that have a largely male user-base, and his comment wouldn't be in the top 20 creepiest posts of the week. This is how many men talk when women aren't around; Martin just happened to say it in a place where women would see it.)

As Sean pointed out, for me it's creepy not because of pervyness, but because he's blogging about how he interviewed 12 young women who are applying to him for a job and they made him super horny.

That being said, I don't think I'd have the same reaction if an older female author said the same thing about audition tapes for her sexy male character.

@Noel- I am also an opponent of Political Correctness. That being said, GRRM's post was this: "I've just reviewed the tapes of twelve young women reading for the part of Shae. Excuse me. I need to go take a cold shower now."
"Mood: horny"

That's not healthy interest in the opposite sex, that's a dirty old man leering after young women applying for a job.

For everyone posing hypothetical situations: How would you feel if your girlfriend/wife/ or sister were one of the women reading for that part?

And what on earth is wrong with some people that they will post the most rude or inappropriate things online that they wouldn't be nearly stupid enough to say in person? Is it some sort of electronic courage, knowing they will probably never have to actually face the person they have been so ugly to?

Yep, it was the "horny" as his mood that pushed it over the top for me...

In GRRMs defense, if I were to watch twelve audition tapes for women auditioning for the part of Shae I'd be horny at the end of it too. The character got me hot and bothered on paper a few times so anyone who could reasonably play that character should have the same effect. She manipulates men by appealing to their lust for crying out loud. That's just biology sorry.

Michael wrote: "In GRRMs defense, if I were to watch twelve audition tapes for women auditioning for the part of Shae I'd be horny at the end of it too. The character got me hot and bothered on paper a few times s..."

Hear Hear. Just because males inconveniently get older, it doesn't mean that young women become less attractive to them. Let's be honest, even though polite society demands (rightly) that we treat women as equals in the workplace, it doesn't alter the fact that beneath the facade, most men will be lusting after, to varying degree, the women they work alongside. Simple biology.

I always pictured Shae as a younger version of Trixie from Deadwood -- sure, she's good at sex, but she's also worn and tired looking until Tyrion dolls her up.

Sean wrote: "Well, this is the guy who wrote sex scenes involving a fourteen year old girl having sex with a Mongol warlord."

Unfortunately stuff like this is historically accurate, young people not only getting married early but fighting wars.