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Anybody Finish Infinity yet?

From the nickgautier.com website....

A note from SK:

**Note to Dark-Hunter fans

The Chronicles of Nick *is* Nick’s real and true past. There is a huge surprise (several actually) in the book that I don’t want to spoil, but when you read the book, everything you think is an inconsistency will make perfect sense to you. More than that, you will understand exactly why Nick is the way he is and why he continues to hate Acheron the way he does. But you have to be patient. All will be clear on May 25, 2010.

Nick’s series will run until it intersects with Night Pleasures and then Nick will have his own novel in the Dark-Hunter world.

Book one, Infinity, begins when Nick meets Kyrian.
Book two will pick up the next day after Infinity ends and will be out Feb 2011.

Remember the one promise that I try to keep in every book: Just when you think you know the truth about a character or event, you find out that things are seldom what they seem. Nick is one of those characters. There’s a lot more to our little Cajun than what you’ve seen to date. That’s why it takes 12 books to tell his story.

There are many, many secrets you’ll learn about a lot of characters, including Cherise and especially Jaden and Jared. Just hold on… you ain’t seen nothing yet :)

Oh. My. GOD!!!! - I abso-freakin'-lutely loved Infinity! Truly!

I finished it several days ago and fell in love with Nick's character all over again! (Yes, that's weird to say since he's 14 in that book, but still y'all know what I mean LOL.)

There were so many awesome scenes that had me glued to the page. The plot kicked major butt all the way around, and some of the characters Sherri introduced...OMG they were great! Bubba and Mark were just too funny for words!

I also loved how jammed packed the book was with kick-butt quotes!

I to read Infinity and loved it damn I love Ms. Kenyon and her wonderful mind.

I finally bought the book, but have yet to read it. After this little tidbit though, am more anxious then ever to read it!

I'm in the same boat, I bought it but haven't read it yet.

I didn't want to like it; i thought the idea of a YA story for Nick wouldn't work. It was wonderful!

So true Manda.

I just finished reading Infinity and i LOVED it. I didn't think I would but it was great, can't wait for the next one to come out now.

There is one thing I'm a little confused on and that's the whole thing with Ambrose, is he trying to change the future, and if he does that mean Nick's mother won't die and he won't end up hating Ash in the future?!?!?!

That looks to be the plan, Bethany! At least, what "Ambrose" plans any way. Who knows what will happen, though.

I'm just shocked that, from my impressions at least, that it seems like Nick and Artie have already had/are engaged in a relationship and that the time line of "future Nick" is WAY ahead of 2010, years wise. That is, if my personal impressions from the story line in Infinity were correct, of course.

read post 2- I think maybe she is up to something that we don't know yet...

I really hope "Ambrose" does manage to change the past, I prefered Nick in the DH book before he lost his mom and became all bitter.

I can't wait for the next one to come out. I've read one book in the series and I'm already completely addicted!!!

Yeah, but i wonder what will be the backlash on doing THAT? Didn't Acheron mentioned in past books that he couldn't turn back time and make it better, for a reason?

Yeah, as the WH boys say, the Fates get mighty pissed when their domain is monkeyed with, so I'm curious to see what will happen if/when Nick manages to alter the past. No doubt things will change, but there will be a backlash from it that is going to be v-e-r-y interesting :).

Although, in a way, things have already begun to change. After all, Ambrose didn't meet Nekoda when he was young, nor did he ever meet Simi. As such, things are definitely changing now, and who knows where they will end up!

I almost feel sorry for Nick, i think he's going to learn a valuable lesson. The punishment might be just what makes him stop hating Acheron. He will better understand how Acheron feels.

And OMG, i knew Nick would end up doing the nasty with Artie!LOL
I think it's appropriate as she has a very childish mind, and Nick is certainly not acting any more mature.

Good point, Rossy. Very good point! About Nick/Artie at least. Although, while I do agree Artie is definitely a childish brat, I think Nick is acting more out of pain than immaturity, if that makes sense. His problem is he just can't let pain go, and hopefully that might just change! :)

Hmmm, you're right about Nick. How do you feel about the two of them getting together?LOL

Ugh, HATE it! I want Artie's head bashed in second only to Apollo's, and Nick is one of my favorite characters. I'm SO hoping this pans out like another Acheron where he finds someone else, ANYone else. I'm definitely Anti-Artie all the way around, LOL. What about you?

No Nick for Artie, she does not deserve him much less Ash. She's a selfish B----!!!

AMEN Cindyg! I lost any and all lingering respect I ever had for her August 7, 2008 - the day I finished reading part one of Acheron. I truly can't stand her at all, and quite frankly, if she stays miserable her whole life that would be just hunkey-dory for me!

Jacqueline wrote: "Ugh, HATE it! I want Artie's head bashed in second only to Apollo's, and Nick is one of my favorite characters. I'm SO hoping this pans out like another Acheron where he finds someone else, ANYone ..."

Well i feel the same way about you when it comes to his heroine, but funny enough i have no problem with them sleeping together now. It's VERY different from when she was with Acheron, because Nick made the choice to be sleeping with her.

I really don't like Artie either but maybe she's learnt from what she did to Ash.

I think it'd be nice to see her change but at the moment I agree with Jacqueline and Cindyg, she doesn't deserver either Nick or Ash.

-x-

BBQ sauce crispy artie!

Adam wrote: "BBQ sauce crispy artie!"

I would LOVE to read that scene in one of the DH books

Rossy ~*~ Ehrotic ~*~ wrote: "Jacqueline wrote: "Ugh, HATE it! I want Artie's head bashed in second only to Apollo's, and Nick is one of my favorite characters. I'm SO hoping this pans out like another Acheron where he finds so..."

I know what you mean, Rossy, but in a way, I have to disagree. If you think back to the beginning of Artie's and Ash's relationship, Ash slept with Artie willingly- at first. And, similarly, at first Artie treated Ash wonderfully, too. She was once very considerate of his needs and wishes- until they interfered with her pride. It was only later that their whole relationship became one that was against Ash's wishes.

I'm almost willing to bet that Artie is going to screw Nick over in the end, too, just like she did with Ash. In Acheron (I think it was that book) she approaches Nick and says the exact same thing she once said to Ash. "Do you want to be my friend? I promise you won't regret it" - or something to that affect. To me, that's a bit of foreshadowing, and when compared with how she immediately sacrifices others for her own sake (her desire to kill off Zarek and Sin being the most obvious), she's still as heartless and cold as ever, it seems.

And as far as Nick's willingness to be with Artie, initially or currently (if that's the case), who's to say what the real scenario is? After all, in the very early days of the DH series, it seemed as if Ash willingly slept with Artie- at least until we were given our first look into Ash's perspective that is.

Anyways, either way it will be very interesting to see what direction Sherri will take with that whole situation and I'm salivating for Invisible to be released! :) No matter what way the AG spins the tale, it will be fascinating and interesting, no doubt!

(*Laughs at self* I could talk about the DH world/characters for ever, it seems!)

Bethany wrote: "I really don't like Artie either but maybe she's learnt from what she did to Ash.

I think it'd be nice to see her change but at the moment I agree with Jacqueline and Cindyg, she doesn't deserver ..."

She might have changed/learned her lesson, anything's possible in the DH world...but I personally doubt it. It would be awesome if Artie changed, but then, she wouldn't be Artie, LOL.

Maybe she can change later then, but I think at the moment it's just fun for everyone to hate her.

Like being "born again", yeah right...If you can turn your back on someone like Ash, there's no hope of her ever being decent to anyone, unless it suits her needs and wants and then only for selfish reasons.

Amen to that, Cindyg! As Acheron says, there are some things that sorry just can't fix! :)

Preach it Jacqueline...

Yay! I finally finished the book so I could read all the posts!

It made me really want to go back and re-read the whole series, because I kept looking up characters to see if they were ones that I already met. Maybe I'll do a reread this summer before No Mercy comes out.

Anyway, to add to the whole Artie/Nick discussion, the Nick (Ambrose) we see in the book says he's hundreds of years old, which either means that he lives in a time way past where we are in the current DH storyline, or he went back in time for his training and then lived there until he caught up?

I'm totally confused by this books as to who really are the good guys? It seems like Ambrose thinks Caleb is good, but he's a bad guy, right? I mean he's working for Nick's dad trying to turn him evil. And Kody (Nekoda), wants to kill him if he turns evil so she has a stake in keeping him good, right? No to mention, Caleb is against Kody and since Caleb is working for the bad guy that confirms she's good right?

I think that she is going to be his HEA in the DH series. Although I too wonder about the backlash for changing things. And how will it affect the DH storyline- will we start seeing changes as early as No Mercy? How many Nick books will there be, because at the end of the CON series, we get his DH book.


***************POSSIBLE DARK-HUNTER SPOILERS***************

So do you think that by meeting SImi now while he's young he avoids sleeping with her later, which in turn would keep Ash from cursing him which would keep his mother from dying, because wasn't that all connected? (I wish I had my book with me so I could fact check!!) So will one day hi mom just show up alive in the DH series and no one will think it's weird except maybe Ash or Savitar or someone like that?

And if he doesn't sleep with Simi, then in theory he doesn't die right? So he doesn't become a DH?

But did anyone catch in the book when he first meets (around page 205) Ash, that Ash says he's trusting Nick with a secret and if he can't keep it... Then Nick continues and asks Ash not to kill him for 10 more years (when he is 24 which is when he died in the DH storyline). Then Nick says,
"Yeah, you can kill me when I'm 24 provided I'm not still a virgin, but not a day before that."
"All right, it's a deal...."

Does that count in Ash's if I say it it comes true prophecy? Because then no matter what, Nick is doomed!

OH! So many questions!!

Damn Tara you do raise some interesting questions. Events could go so many different ways...the waiting to find out is a killer.

Thanks! I love questions!! I just wish there were more answers! :)

Tara wrote: "Yay! I finally finished the book so I could read all the posts!

It made me really want to go back and re-read the whole series, because I kept looking up characters to see if they were ones tha..."

"I kept looking up characters to see if they were ones that I already met."

I -definitely- loved how Sherri threw in characters we'd met before! I know I had so much fun with that, but I'm pretty sure neither Bubba or Mark were characters that had been noted in the series before. I could be wrong, though.

"Anyway, to add to the whole Artie/Nick discussion, the Nick (Ambrose) we see in the book says he's hundreds of years old, which either means that he lives in a time way past where we are in the current DH storyline, or he went back in time for his training and then lived there until he caught up?"

I'm definitely with the theory that those "future" moments with Artie and Nick where they're noted as being hundreds of years in the future. I'm pretty sure that Nick even says that everyone he loves or did love was dead by that point. I'm wondering if that includes Ash, since notice in that parallel you don't really see either Artie or Nick interacting in the human plane? I could be making an assumption there, since I remember that part about the library-scene with Nick and Artie, but I'm wondering if that was in some other realm. Which means that if the storyline pans out to where Nick really did kill Ash, then Apollymi was released, and the world was destroyed- and I'm betting that's the reason Nick (Ambrose) is so adamant about changing his past.

"I'm totally confused by this books as to who really are the good guys? It seems like Ambrose thinks Caleb is good, but he's a bad guy, right? I mean he's working for Nick's dad trying to turn him evil. And Kody (Nekoda), wants to kill him if he turns evil so she has a stake in keeping him good, right? No to mention, Caleb is against Kody and since Caleb is working for the bad guy that confirms she's good right?"

It's crazy, isn't it! Kody is "good," while Caleb is "bad," and yet both are protecting him to their fullest measure! From my perspective, both parties want him to turn to their cause, and the only way to do that is to be subversive with him and protect him so that they might influence his behavior and life. But it seems to me that Caleb is really only being wrangled to do so, that it is Nick's father that wants Nick's evil-like destiny to come to fruition while Caleb is an unwilling pawn. I'm curious to see if Caleb will abandoned his "turn-Nick-evil" scheme using his free will, or be forced to keep on his game plan because of his demonic nature. Kody, however, is meant to protect Nick only until he starts showing an evil nature and then she has to kill him. And yet, despite her orders, she's starting to fall for Nick, so it makes you wonder if Kody will utilize HER free will and refuse to kill Nick if he does go darkside! Which is making for one hella interesting series, no doubt!

"I think that she is going to be his HEA in the DH series. Although I too wonder about the backlash for changing things. And how will it affect the DH storyline- will we start seeing changes as early as No Mercy? How many Nick books will there be, because at the end of the CON series, we get his DH book."

I'm definitely curious as to whether or not Kody is going to be Nick's HEA, but somehow or another I just have a gut feeling that might not be so. No clue why, just a feeling. I personally don't think, though, that changes are going to be evident in the current DH-time line as early as No Mercy, simply because things have not truly begun shifting to the extreme quite yet. As for the number of books in the CON series, I'm pretty sure that it will be 10, with every book chronicling one year of Nick's life and with each book, the rating increases until the final book, which after released will launch Nick's book. (Read that from one of Sherri's blogs way back when.)

"So do you think that by meeting SImi now while he's young he avoids sleeping with her later, which in turn would keep Ash from cursing him which would keep his mother from dying, because wasn't that all connected? (I wish I had my book with me so I could fact check!!) So will one day hi mom just show up alive in the DH series and no one will think it's weird except maybe Ash or Savitar or someone like that?"

It's funny you ask that, Tara! Before the book was released, I posed the statement that I hoped the book wouldn't be written in first person (I hate FP). As such, though, I was 100% confident it wouldn't be written in that style because I had remembered Sherri saying in one of her twitter updates that in CON we would be seeing a lot of older characters, Tabitha, Amanda, etc., and that Simi would play a big part in the book.

Now, I used the logic that, because Nick only slept with Simi in Seize the Night because he didn't know that she was Ash's daughter, the book couldn't be written in FP if Simi was going to be a character in the CON series, since that would require the two of them meeting.

LOL. Which I was SO wrong on- about them meeting, that is, rather than Infinity not being in FP. As such, my current theory is that Nick (Ambrose) is trying to change his past, no doubt, but it doesn't seem like he's focusing so much on letting Nick (younger Nick) know about Simi and for him (younger Nick) to avoid her. I would go out on a limb here and say that Nick now won't sleep with Simi at all, since he's met her. However, thinking back, Simi never has revealed to Nick who her "akri" is, and thus Nick doesn't know she belongs to Ash- which is what started the whole debacle to begin with. The only thing that has changed right now is that Nick has met Simi before Seize the Night, but he still doesn't know she's Ash's daughter.

There's something else that Nick (Ambrose) seems to be worrying/concentrating on, but I can't put my finger on it. I have a feeling it's got something to do with his Malachia nature, or perhaps something that happened in the story line years past the current DH plot. Or maybe Nick (Ambrose) is just trying to teach his younger self patience, self control, and letting go of his anger- general instructions that could play a huge role in what Nick will do at a later point in both series.

"And if he doesn't sleep with Simi, then in theory he doesn't die right? So he doesn't become a DH"

That would definitely be the theory, but at this point Nick still might end up sleeping with Simi since, as noted, he doesn't really know who she is just yet. Interesting, no doubt, to see where this plot point will take the storyline!

"But did anyone catch in the book when he first meets (around page 205) Ash, that Ash says he's trusting Nick with a secret and if he can't keep it... Then Nick continues and asks Ash not to kill him for 10 more years (when he is 24 which is when he died in the DH storyline). Then Nick says,
"Yeah, you can kill me when I'm 24 provided I'm not still a virgin, but not a day before that."
"All right, it's a deal...."

Holy God, did I! That moment was such a sad, sad part for me, and it makes you wonder something else. Remember the part about Nick (Ambrose) asking Nick (younger) how it was that he (younger) could know someone that Ambrose didn't! As such, it's being established that things are already changing in Nick's past that even Ambrose doesn't know!...So, it makes you wonder if that scene between Ash and Nick was something that had happened previously or was something "new" in Nick's past.

Which then makes you wonder- if Nick doesn't end up sleeping with Simi, and since Ash is the god of fate, then did the storyline just restructure itself to where Ash WILL kill Nick at 24, making the sleep-with-Simi-equals-Nick's-death thing a moot point regardless? I say the answer is yes! Simply because, remember how many characters through the series have said that destiny won't be denied? Well, it's Nick's destiny that he be the Malachia. That's my current theory, at least...can't wait to see how the story really pans out! :)

Wow...Jacqueline!!!

LOL Can't ya tell I'm just a wee bit obsessed with both the CON and DH series? Needless to say, I put a lot of thought into it. *Laughs*

That's awesome! I'm the same way! I've never had a brief thought in my life! LOL!

Juts a suggestion- when you are pulling quotes from the previous post- but it italics or bold, so people can easily tell when it's your thoughts or someone else'e thoughts. To do this you just have to put the words between and this except change the letter x to the letter i. (You likely already know how to do this but just in case...)

Now I'm going to actually re-read through it again! (ok, maybe I'll go do some work so I don't get fired and can keep supporting my book habit- but THEN I'm going to reread it!)

i got a question here. Is there going to be 13 books? if so please tell me shes going to put out more than one a year...

also i love the book, so funny, and great to meet everyone so young.. love it.

Tara wrote: "That's awesome! I'm the same way! I've never had a brief thought in my life! LOL!

Juts a suggestion- when you are pulling quotes from the previous post- but it italics or bold, so people can ea..."

LOL Alrighty, Tara. I'll try to keep that in mind next time.

Nicole wrote: "i got a question here. Is there going to be 13 books? if so please tell me shes going to put out more than one a year..."

I heard there were going to be twelve books, but i'm not 100% sure. I really hope they do come out more than once a year, can you imagine waiting 12 years to read Nick's DH book?!

Wow, I hadn't thought of that...Bethany. Sure hope so as well.

I know that at least the next CON is due Feb 2011 so that's more like 7 months, so maybe that's a trend, but she's also starting 2 new series... I kind of wish she'd finish CON/DH before starting a new series. But that's just because I want to know where this is all going and I'm totally impatient...

I just finished this book, and overall, i did like it. I actually liked the change of pace from a couple being the focus of the book.
It was great to read about familiar characters, and get so much more insight into Nick (whom i just adore...yes, even in his current state of grouchiness).

I do agree with those that believe, that Nick will still have the same ultimate fate at the age of 24 especially after that exchange with Ash, perhaps just the circumstances will change and wont have him alienated from Ash as he is with the current timeline of events.

Just when we think we know...we get something entirely different. I love it.

Amen, Cindyg! I think that's why I will always be so hard-core devoted to Sherrilyn's plethora of books. Her ability to write, so damned creatively, stories that are always changing and fascinating is what keeps me coming back for more and more! :-)

Rossy wrote: "I almost feel sorry for Nick, i think he's going to learn a valuable lesson. The punishment might be just what makes him stop hating Acheron. He will better understand how Acheron feels.

And OM..."

I was thinking the same thing after reading the first book. Although knowing Simi at an earlier date likely won't save his bacon too much now in the present. Cause after all as we have seen in No Mercy, with him changing his past it is weakening the present Nick and making it more likely for others to imitate him while he is comatose like that. I also think it is a bad idea too cause of the fact that if "Ambrose" keeps monkeying around with his past this way the Chthonians (spelling?) are going to have to come in and there is likely going to be a major fight going down. As they don't like any one messing with the order of things. Especially Savitar which I don't think Nick really knows about. But if he keeps up messing with stuff in the past he is going to wind up a V.I.P. on Sav's naughty list. Which could mean he will be taken out which Ash won't want to have happen do to Nick being tied to the Primal Source of things.

I'm also curious as to who in the world helped Nick with changing his past in the first place? I mean I read and revised several sections of the book and I'm still at a loss as how "Ambrose" is able to get to his past life like that. I mean is "Ambrose" a possible future Nick (As in beyond the bitter Nick that we know in the present like say Nick of year 2015 maybe) that knows all his powers and going in and out of time and controlling it is one of his abilities? Or is Artemis helping him do that? If so why? I know we will likely have to wait for these answers. But I am so curious about how he is doing this from the get go that it is driving me nuts. Also the fact that he and Artemis seem so freaking chummy and close that she had the nerve to be a bit jealous of the Nekoda girl that popped up in his past that even HE didn't know about. So really makes me wonder how long have "Ambrose" and Artemis been together for her to feel that way? And even for him to be going by his middle name. Totally can't wait til the next book!!!

I thought I read somewhere in the book that he and Artemis had been together for centuries or something to that effect.

Desiree wrote: "I thought I read somewhere in the book that he and Artemis had been together for centuries or something to that effect."

Really? I'll have to probably re-read that a bit. Although reading the "Ambrose" sections always left me with a feeling of them being in a place that was pretty timeless. Like another dimension or something.

For the life of me, I just can't seem to get into young adult books; is there anywhere I can find a good summary of what happens in these books? I love Nick but can't scrap together motivation to read about him as a kid.