Debate discussion

Air has suggested a topic on transgender rights.

What do you think about transgender rights?

o_O No. Transgender is the state of someone's "gender identity" and they don't match their "assigned sex".

I'm not that aware of the issues around transgender-ness, but I believe they should have equal rights with everyone else.

And the terminator has extra rights, because he's a badass robot. You can't stop the terminator.

Xox is correct. And because of it, transgender rights often get tacked onto gay right, like the phrase LGBT.

J deleted another post of hers? Wtf?

Whoa, I didn't even notice that.

wtf is this,

Meh, is it really that cut and dry? I think the problem is that our society, for some reason, thinks that 1. sex and gender are necessarily correlated and 2. that gender is binary.

Xox wrote: "J is stupid for not knowing about the problem face by transgender.

Transgender are normal people who are born with the wrong gender. The problem of the human created society of defining a person..."

ummmm........ how are people born with the wrong gender?

They're born with gender identity issues, they feel as if they are a girl, stuck in a man's body, and vice versa.

I guess they could always go in for counseling....

No, that's not the problem, the should be able to be whatever gender they please.

Yea, but how does someone get put in the wrong gender? It doesn't make sense to me.......

Well, it happens. Google it.

It's Nature's response to over population. same thing occurs when mice in a cage overpopulate. Other mice just accept them. I doubt if they try to council them, though. :)

Going to delete that post too, J?

What rights do transgenders not have that anyone else doesnt?

Angus wrote: "What rights do transgenders not have that anyone else doesnt?"

Exactly!

Simply put. They are not protected against discrimination. Even from just your comments you can see they are not always understood, and for that you decide they are 'problems' that need to be dealt with. Why counsel them, their choice is their's, and they shouldn't have to change it to fit into what you may consider normal.

transgender rights should be exactly the same as everyone else's. they're people; we're people. this world thinks it's better just coz now it's not as racist but their's sooooooooooo much else to sort out!!!

What kind of descrimination are you talking about? Like being hired for jobs? Or marrige or whatever?

Yes, being hired for jobs, they aren't protected in many places with hate crime laws, and clearly we do not accept them as we should.

We'll why shouldnt a private employer to be allowed to higher whoever he wishes? If he thinks that a trangender person working for him will detreact from buiness then why couldnt he turn one down for employment?

We'll why shouldnt a private employer to be allowed to higher whoever he wishes?

First, it is "hire." Second, should an employer be able to say, "I don't hire blacks or Jews"?

Yes, because it's america. An employer has the right to hire people that they dont want to.

Yes, because it's america. An employer has the right to hire people that they dont want to.

Actually, they don't have the right to not hire someone simply because that person is black or Jewish. So learn the law before you comment on it.

My question was whether or not you thought they should be able to. You said, "Yes, because it is America." That isn't an answer. Why should a person be able to say "We don't hire blacks"? Do you really want to live in a society where racists are allowed to prevent the hiring of minorities if they happen to be a boss at a company? Would it be okay if Delta Airlines one day said, "We are no longer hiring women because we think they are inferior to men"?

I don't see why Transgender-people shouldn't have the same rights as everyone else. They're humans. Humans should have equal rights. Ergo, they should have the same rights as the rest of us. Isn't that obvious?

Well, I'm waiting to see if anyone has a good reason that they shouldn't have the same rights as the rest of us.

And Angus, though I don't live in America even I know that that's bull. An employer has the right not to hire someone, if that someone is not qualified for the job. An employer can't not hire someone because of their religion, looks, "race", gender, etc.

Anna wrote: "I don't see why Transgender-people shouldn't have the same rights as everyone else. They're humans. Humans should have equal rights. Ergo, they should have the same rights as the rest of us. Isn't ..."

This is all certainly true of Public Companies, such as Delta that Nathan referenced. Private companies might have different laws, so I'm not sure all of those claims are exactly the same. They may not be able to put a sign on the door that says "We don't hire blacks or Jews". But I don't see how the government could force a private owner to hire someone simply because they want to force the private owner to be "equal opportunity." Technically I should be allowed to be racist if I want to be. People are allowed to protest Funerals here... so I don't think this is too much of a stretch in allowance.

As for Transgender rights... when it comes to public companies, they absolutely should be allowed to have the same rights as everyone else. They should be allowed to marry whomever they wish, be whatever they want to be. Just because they had gender identity issues doesn't make them not human anymore. People, for whatever reason, just can't get over anything that isn't the "norm".

"Technically I should be allowed to be racist if I want to be."

And I'm sure many more people than we think are racists. The point is the laws are so that you can't act on your racism.

"People are allowed to protest Funerals here... so I don't think this is too much of a stretch in allowance."

Just because one stupid thing is allowed doesn't mean we can all be stupid.

That's true, but I'm just saying I should be allowed to be stupid if I want to be. It doesn't make it right or just. Like many educated I wish many others would embrace the insight you can get from being well educated. But, I do have to say, who am I to force that lifestyle on another person? Just as, who are they to force their racist or other ideals on me?

Education is not destructive. It's end is positive, so does that end justify possible means.

Private companies might have different laws, so I'm not sure all of those claims are exactly the same.

Just because a company is publicly traded doesn't mean that it gets to make its own laws. Labor and civil rights laws still apply to private companies. They still have to, for example, pay at least minimum wage and adhere to OSHA standards.

There are XO and XYY and various other chromosomes that lead to a birth of a child with no sex. My mother would not have changed me to be one or the other if I were to be born that way, but alas, I'm still 100% female anatomy.

I also believe in the making of unisex bathrooms, and education on GLBT people.

I support trans rights & am against discriminations & hate crimes (which is getting pretty awful these days) against trans ppl.