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Terry Jones (Is that his name???) and the Koran
While I understand where Terry Jones was coming from and I think it's noble to try to send a message (in a right way of course), I believe it would have been wrong to do it. He was basically willing to risk getting Muslims everywhere, radical or moderate, very angry, and therefore risking the deaths of American soldiers. It would have been careless for him to do it, and the world-wide discussion of the burning could have just made more people buy the Qu'ran. When Martin Luther's thesis/theses (I can't remember how many) was/were burned, it made more people buy it. If Jones had burned the Qu'ran the same thing could have happened, and that would only work against the Kingdom of God.
He said that he was trying to send the message that Christians would not stand for the things the Muslims have been doing (something like that; if you wanna know his exact words there's an approx. 22 minute interview with Terry Jones on NBC.com that you could watch if you haven't seen it yet ;) ). And it's very simple - the Qu'ran is against the Kingdom of God because it teaches against Christianity (and it teaches of a different god). As a Christian I'm not going to agree with something that goes against God.
Raven wrote: "He said that he was trying to send the message that Christians would not stand for the things the Muslims have been doing (something like that; if you wanna know his exact words there's an approx. ..."same here with me
I agree that the Qu'ran goes against the bible in many, but in not all ways, but I also believe the burning of books is an evil deed. To destroy something which is scared to so mean in my opinion is wrong. Even if what they hold dear is against our beliefs.
Raven wrote: "He said that he was trying to send the message that Christians would not stand for the things the Muslims have been doing (something like that; if you wanna know his exact words there's an approx. ..."I understand Islam to be tolerant of other faiths, particularly in the first few hundred years. Muslims consider Islam to be the next word of God, beyond Jesus whom they respect as one of God's greatest prophets. It's just that Muslims believed Christians to be on the same path, just a little behind, that was until the Crusades, which were more about human powerplays in the name of God than acts of devotion to God, really messed things up for all of us. This is a gross over simplification of what is an extremely complex issue.
At the core of Judaism, Christianity and Islam is thankful devotion to an almighty creator God, a love for all fellow human beings and a respect for the rest of creation. This is the kingdom of God.
Don't Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all share the same root in Abraham?
Angus wrote: "Raven wrote: "He said that he was trying to send the message that Christians would not stand for the things the Muslims have been doing (something like that; if you wanna know his exact words there..."Yes they do Angus.
I also the crusades are a great example of what people do for themselves, but say that it is for God.
Christians actually didn't take part in the crusades…
*sigh* Never mind, I was going to say it was Catholics.
Girl4beluga wrote: "hehehe yeah........what makes them different? Last time I checked they celebrated Easter, Christmas, Good Friday, went to church on Sundays, and read a version of the Bible."And last time I checked, they also have added their own man-written books to the bible, believe that good works are required to get to heaven, think that baptism can save you, and believe that the Lord's Supper is actually Christ's body. And a lot of other untrue things.
(yeah it's Protestant) No, the Catholics added their own books, and in 1517 Martin Luther posted a list of complaints in the church and broke away because the Church of England (aka Roman Catholics) was straying too far from the gospel. People like John Calvin and other Puritans founded the Protestant church, and the Pilgrims who came to America were Puritans who were being PERSECUTED in England.
So we didn't take anything out of their Bible, we just didn't accept that they changed God's word.
Girl4beluga wrote: "hehehe yeah........what makes them different? Last time I checked they celebrated Easter, Christmas, Good Friday, went to church on Sundays, and read a version of the Bible."Last time I checked so did lets see atheist....O now everyone who celebrates those holidays are Christians no!!!!!!!! Just because they celebrate the holidays it doesn't mean they are Christians at ALL!!!!!!!!!
Girl4beluga wrote: "yeah...no..atheists don't celebrate Easter or Good Friday."So if you celebrate Easter and Good Friday (which btw Protestants don't celebrate), it makes you a Christian? No, it just means you believe there is a God.
Sandy wrote: "Catholics aren't Christians."Qualifying statement: Catholics who believe all their church's doctrine aren't true Christians.
Sandy wrote: "Girl4beluga wrote: "yeah...no..atheists don't celebrate Easter or Good Friday."So if you celebrate Easter and Good Friday (which btw Protestants don't celebrate), it makes you a Christian? No, it..."
Whoa, you don't celebrate Easter?!?!?!
What do you mean, G4B? Orthodox Protestant and Catholic beliefs are vastly different!
Catholicism went one way and Protestantism went the other. There are some fundamental similarities, but they are about the same as the differences between Protestantism and Judaism.
But it's not the same as this that you said:"Are Baptist more christian then Lutherans? Are Protestants more christian then Presbyterian?"
(no Pansy, I do celebrate Easter but not Good Friday :))
Perhaps you all need to add some books on the history of Christianity to your reading lists before you go any further with comparing "branches" of the "true vine."
Angus wrote: "Perhaps you all need to add some books on the history of Christianity to your reading lists before you go any further with comparing "branches" of the "true vine.""Who are you talking to?
All of us. As in, an unfair generalization.
Girl4beluga wrote: "Or maybe he really meant all of us."Exactly.
Sandy wrote: "Catholics aren't Christians."what! Sorry, what are you saying? I know that not all Christians are Catholic, but all Catholics are Christians.
and who is Terry Jones? What's he doing to the Qu'ran?
what- all the copies!
I don't think he was right in wanting to burn the Koran, but I really don't disagree and I don't really have a problem with it. I mean, Muslims burn Bibles. And I don't mean fight fire with fire (no pun intended whatsoever).
Sandy wrote: "(yeah it's Protestant) No, the Catholics added their own books, and in 1517 Martin Luther posted a list of complaints in the church and broke away because the Church of England (aka Roman Catholics..."Sorry this is late.
A Christians are anyone who believe Jesus is God's son and came to cleanse of our sins.
And my dictionary says (quote for quote, word for word)Christian: a believer in Jesus as the Christ, or in the religion based on the teachings of Jesus (noun); of Jesus Christ, professing the religion based on his teachings, having the qualities taught by Jesus, as love, kindness, etc. (adjective)
Teachings meaning THE BIBLE!!!!!
If you say you are a Christian, but don't believe in the Bible, then you have nothing to base your "Christianity" on!
(aimed at Beluga Girl)
Not all of them do, but many of the radicals do! And this is only one person, who didn't even actually burn the Koran.
I disagree with Terry Jones, especially when he potentially threatend soldiers lives.
Well, the soldiers live were already threatened by being in the Middle East, but at least they're coming home and Terry Jones didn't work his arsony, so I guess it's all good now.
Well, obviously, but the friendly muslims would've probably revolted and turned enemy.
Not unless they heard about it. That can't be assumed though. At least it didn't happen.
If the Iranian government heard about it, why wouldn't the rest hear about it?
First off, has this guy even read the KoranSecond I actually read the Koran at my bible school, we learned the ways it did corespond with the bible and made a critical anaysis of how it differed, also sandy, were there no Christians before Martin Luther broke away from the church
Because people in the Middle East probably aren't as informed as we are here in the U.S. There is a war being fought in their countries. Many people there are too poor to even have TVs or any other sort of information devices. Plus, their governments pretty corrupt.
True, but some people had to have known
But just SOME people weren't going to go through insane, radicalist measures to kill troops that were leaving their country.
No, we're talking about radicalist people firing up at Terry Jones burning korans
^ wait here's a continium Radical left-moderate (normal)-Radical RIghtmost people fall in the category of moderate normal people who don't want Jones to burn Korans
What? I'm talking about muslim extremists....although Terry Jones could count as one too
^ oh ok I misread your statement, Breanna, I thought you were saying that people who DIDN'T want Jones to burn all the Korans were radicals
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I personally think to burn any book for its content is wrong, let alone a book that contains wisdom and is considered sacred by so many people. For those in Islam the Qu'ran is divine. Not just inspired by Allah but actually divine in and of itself, every book, well, only those written in Arabic and then that depends upon the dialect.