My Adventures Through Theology and Beyond discussion

ok I probably sound stupid here but can you explain Intelligent design a bit better I don't really understand it.

no not what I meant I mean what does it mean by intelligent design just that what is intelligent design

oh okay I see

yeah he would be someone I could actually listen to for awhile I am starting to like his ideas.

...Why would you even ask this question?

"Should we forgive the pastors?" I mean...I don't know what they were discussing, of course...but....

Girl4beluga wrote: "Oh the idea that A higher being created the would not through evolution (creationist way of getting into text books)"

This is basically true, but we do believe that animals could produce new breeds, but without mutations. Plus that any mutation that do occur have not shown to produce new species, example dinosaurs-> birds.

How would you produce a new breed without mutations...?

Has there been a proven case?

Of a new breed without mutations? No, breeds evolve by mutations.

Do you have an example of this?

Dog breeding is a prominent one.

Girl4beluga wrote: "my dad loves him...he wrote The Fidelity Of Betray I told you about"

ohh that makes me want to read the book even more lol

Yep :)

Girl4beluga wrote: "Dragonrider wrote: "Do you have an example of this?"

Hey go check out the other videos I wonder how you would respond to them"

I'll try when I can, but I use satlilte internet and videos eats the bytes up really fast :(

♥ Rachel♥ wrote: "Dog breeding is a prominent one."

So you are saying that all new breeds are caused by mutations?

How else would you suggest they occur...?

You mean the flu.

The flu can "mutate" to a certain degree due to genetic mixing, but a complex organism has not been shown to do this.

♥ Rachel♥ wrote: "How else would you suggest they occur...?"

Selective breeding

actually the flu has evolved more then any organism I know of why do you think new flu vaccines are needed every year because the flu virus has evolved and is no longer affected by it (well I have never had a flu vaccine but whatever)

My parents realize how terrible it actually is for you and how little it helps you lol.

Girl4beluga wrote: "Dragonrider wrote: "You mean the flu.

The flu can "mutate" to a certain degree due to genetic mixing, but a complex organism has not been shown to do this."

what did I put?? And yes...like the Ga..."

People look different does that make them a differnt breed and also would that not be selective breeding.

Dragonrider wrote: "♥ Rachel♥ wrote: "How else would you suggest they occur...?"

Selective breeding"

...And what do you think selective breeding does?

Cody wrote: "actually the flu has evolved more then any organism I know of why do you think new flu vaccines are needed every year because the flu virus has evolved and is no longer affected by it (well I have ..."

What they put in the average flu vaccine is the four most common strain of the flu that year. Most people become immune after getting it.

but those strains almost always evolve and become resistant to the vaccine and the flu vaccine is actually very bad for you you should't get it

I've never gotten either the vaccine nor the flu.

lol thats really lucky/good

xD I really don't get sick at all often. Except for strep throat. I get that every year just in time for Thanksgiving >.<

I am saying that RNA (The genetic material of virus) can swap around its information, but does not create new information, so it is a mutation, but not evolution.

When mutations accumulate, that's called evolution.

yeah Rachel is correct

Yeah it's in mes 34.

Breeding is micro-evolution...

xD Sure.

It like saying breeding two asexual bacteria someday you might get a sexual tree.

I sadly have to be like RGB for a sec so here a link:


http://www.answersingenesis.org/artic...

"It like saying breeding two asexual bacteria someday you might get a sexual tree."

...Would you care to provide an ounce of logic behind that simile?

And, the problem with your site is that it assumes that evolutionists insist that natural selection is the sole form of micro-evolution, which we do not. Mutations are another form, and those are what add genetic information to the genome. Natural selection just throws out the unfavorable genes.

On that article it featured what they call an "Orchard of Life", check it out.

Yes it does.

Directly from it:

The evolutionary tree, which postulates that all today’s species are descended from one common ancestor (which itself evolved from nonliving chemicals).

The creationist orchard, which shows that diversity has occurred within the original Genesis kinds over time.

This is true.

Just keep in mind that people interpret evidence differently, aka ID and Evolution.

So you have a problem with genesis itself?

What is the problem with taking it literal?

It is only illogical under evolutionist point of view. What do these people do?

You are an evolutionist, aren't you?

So what do you believe about God or rather what books in the bibles do you believe in?

Thiestic evolutonist: God created life and it evolved

creationist: God created life and it stayed

Courtney wrote: "Thiestic evolutonist: God created life and it evolved

creationist: God created life and it stayed"

The bible says breed with its own kind.

Is it ok to move this conversation to the evolution thread, this is the videos thread?