Kenyons Minions discussion

I have always loved nick but he starting getting pissy with that attitude I was getting disapointed but then he really stepped it up in no mercy and I adore him again lol

I loved Nick from the beginning as well. As he reminded me so much of myself. Being the smart aleck that always had to go do this or that for someone and not getting the appreciation I deserved for it. But yes, Nick the dark-hunter days are getting very trying. I mean he has turned into a complete ass at certain points and then at times this whoa is me kind of guy. I mean I liked his mom's character too and how she kept him in line. But sometime you have to brush yourself off and not turn against the whole world cause you are without one person.

I also like how he is coming into his Malachai powers as well. And that he put that Erika girl in her place in Rayvn's book. Cause although I get not everything is so black and white in their world. I still think that she and that other squire in one of the other short stories were totally forgetting what the job description was of a squire. And it definitely had not a darn thing to do with revealing your bosses actual job in any medium (blog, email, short story, interview, etc.). So I was glad to see him talk about the duty and responsibility of a squire being taken more seriously by the newest squires.

And although this may be a slight bleed over from CON discussion. But I still can't wait and see what other changes are going to be made to the present Nick's life do to what is happening in the CON series.

I've always loved Nick in his smark aleck persona, but he's really p'd me off with his attitude to Ash. Did he expect Ash to drop the rest of the worls to save Nick's mother? Surely he realises Ash is heartbroken about her death as well.

I think he is blinded by his sorrow and pain and for some reason I believe there is more yet to be reveled

I know, I feel so bad for him, he knows he made a mistake with the deal he made

Hey, has any one else ever considered the fact that Nick isn't just pissy because of his mom's death and it being Ash's fault. But possibly because of the fact that is his Malachai powers convincing him to be so hateful? Cause it was mentioned by Menyara that the Malachai more or less feed off the energy of violence or something like that when she was explaining who Nick's dad really was. And it was even sort of mentioned in the first CON book that jail was his dad's power base pretty much do to all the fights and stuff in there. So it got me thinking, that maybe Nick's petulant attitude has much more to do with the fact that his powers are seeking a negative outlet to feed into and charge up his abilities. But as he is still new to said powers, he can only manage this pissy attitude for now as he more or less has the other's keeping him in check for the time being.

I abso agree with Dhfan4life about Nick's attitude. The Malachai charges his powers from negative spectrum of emotions.
I have some doubts about the CON books though. If Ambrose is changing the past wouldn't that affect the DH series or rather compromise them. You know from all the movies and stuff...The butterfly effect. And the ware-hunters that can time travel don't even dare to mess with the past.

Yea that is why Savitar is riding his behind pretty heavily in those books. But something will definitely have to give at some point or another.

Well Sherri has said that in Nick's books that is the real events. So we don't know if what Ambrose is doing is changing what we already know in the DH series or if what he is doing is causing the timeline/events in the DH series...

I still don't fully track that what is going on in the CON books is the real events. Cause in that case what had Ash done to Nick that far outside of time that he would destroy him then and yet let him live in the regular DH world? And also Ash is 11,000 years old, Nick's race is also pretty ancient too but still what is the bigger issue for Nick killing him if not for his mom?

It's all so interesting! I can't wait to get to the girth of Sherri's finale!

Ambrose is trying to change the events that took place in the DH series, more specifically in Seize The Night.He is bringing new players and more to the point he introduce his younger self to Simi (witch is crucial). Also he is helping him embrace his Malachai powers so that he can defend his love ones. Also he is preventing Nick to get too close to Ash, directly telling him that he is not what he seems to be. Those actions will change so much that my head is spining like Linda Blair.
From what I understand is that Ambrose is contacting his younger self from a distant future that at the moment is quite unclear to me. Artemis is still alive and still bitchin', Savitar also... maybe Ash too cuz he is bonded to Ambrose. But all of that can change...is Nick stays away from Ash he wont be cursed, Tabitha's boyfriend Erik might live and she won't marry Valerius etc., etc....jeez

Oh I get all that in an alternate universe kind of way Tempi. But a few have said from Sherri's own words that the events in Nick's books are the true events. Although I remember reading the line in the beginning of Infinity that it said this is how the events SHOULD have been. But I took it to mean that in a perfect world the events in CON is how Ambrose would have wanted them to be so things didn't lead up to what happened in Seize the Night. Unfortunately though he only has one side of the story and not seeing the other parts at all. Which makes messing with the past or any event in time rather dangerous.

That's exactly how see it too, Dhfan4life! I hope that in Infamous we get to have more info on what the hell is happening in Ambrose's timeline.

I hope so too. As it mostly confusing reading Infinity for the first time. Then you sort of settle into it a bit more in Invincible. But still some of the new bad guys and Savitar saying cryptic stuff about Nick not being able to go to Ash for help. It just makes it a lot to take in from a vastly different angle. So I definitely hope there is a bit more glue in Infamous.

I have finally found some where to discuss the CON books. The small bits of the future that we get in the books actually left me in shock.

So, where is written that the CON events are the true events? Will this change the stories we already know?

We keep hearing their will be punishment for anyone that tries to change the past so what will happen?

What happened to Ash? We learn that he tried to change something in the past and was punished for it. We have also learned that Artie also tried to go to the past and change her decision regarding Ash and was also punished for it.

I can't wait till the next book to hopefully find out more about what is going on in the future we know Savitar and Artemis are around. Nick/Ambrose has some kind of relationship with Artemis she tries to keep him calm.

Well I kind of missed that part where Acheron and Artemis go to the past. Is it in Invincible or Infinity? It doesn't sound very Ash-like move to try to change the past cuz of all people he is the one that is completely aware of the repercussions. Now Artemis on the other hand can make such a move if she is desperate.
Now I'm not sure if the events in the CON series are suppose to be the real ones or it's a paralel univers. I can explane to you if there is someone interested cuz I like timetravel sci-fi (and I don't wanna hear shit about Back To The Future or Terminator cuz those movies rock)
Eventually if the events in the rest of series (Dark-Hunter, Dream-Hunter etc.) lead to catastrophic results for the world it is only normal to asume that what happens in the CON series is the real deal.

Actually I do belive that CON events are the real deal. If you think about it the end of the world is inevitable. Nick can't be killed cuz Acheron will drop right after him and Apollymi will be released upon the world. So the Malachai will grow more powerful feeding Noir. So if the ultimate wepon of destruction can't be destroyed that leaves us with really slim chances of survival.
So the main things that have to be changed in the past are :
- Nick has to stay away from Acheron so there wont be any bond between the two in case Nick turnes to the dark side and has to be killed.
- Nick has to meet Simi before that faithful night and keep his pants up.
- Nick has to learn his powers so that it doesn't hit him one day when he is bitter and pissed and corrups him even more.

I have to say out of all of that. I believe Nick would have tapped into his Malachai side in one way or another even with out Ash's part of things. After all his dad was full on Malachai and we have read that his dark side was so bad he CHOSE to stay in jail to keep building his power base and get a charge off. So I can imagine in one way or another Nick's malachai side would have been fighting to get out too at some point.

Yes it was fighting to get out but Ma'at bond his powers so that he can't be discovered by Noir. I think the Malachai as a wepon belongs to Noir ( Jared as a wepon belongs to the other 3 first gods). So in the CON series he's got all kinds of nasty things coming after him cuz his powers are unlocked.
As for Adarian, as I can remeber at some point was with Noir which is normal cuz they do belong to the same dark and evil powers. At some point Noir screws Adarian over and he lives the bastard. Now what I don't understand is how in hell such good woman as Cherise can fall for him....but anyways.

Well can't forget Cherise was a young teen when she got invovled with his dad. So young and dumb so to speak. And most likely had a bad boy phase going. And I'm sure Adarian never really showed her his demon side. So he was most like any other jerk like guy out there.

Very true indeed, DHfan.
A big question for me is Madoc. If he is Nicks big brother doesn't that mean that he is a Malachai also? I asume that they have diferent mothers (he's mother is Oneroi). But yeah..if he was a Malachai then there won't be any Nick to begin with cuz the Malachai are alowed to have only one child (i can't remember in which book I read that, might be Dream Warrior)

Whoa!!! Please do find all this. As I don't recall it being mentioned that M'Adoc was Nick's older brother unless I missed something. Last I recalled it just being said at the end of Dream Warrior he is some how related to Nick. But I don't recall them ever saying that they were brothers. And I've read both CON books. I saw two other people saying under M'Adoc's page that he is Nick's brother too. But I don't remember where any of that was said at. I mean the biggest parts of the second CON book I recall is Nick having to get those items for that bad guy coach. He kissed Nekoda, practiced more of his powers, Cherise officially started working at Sanctuary, had that battle in the school hallway, we met Xenon I think his name was, some more bad guys entered the picture, Ambrose warned him about Simi. I'm truly at a loss about the brother part of things been such a long time since I've read it.

"―I wasn‘t supposed to have an older brother either. Was I?
Savitar looked away.
Exactly …
Life-altering events. Unseen disasters. Little things that became …
Best not to go there."
From the conversation with Sav in Ivincible (Ch. 5)

I see...hmmm.

Chapter 5 in Invincible left me in shock it's were we also learn Ash is not around and a hint as to why.

So I thought Ambrose/Nick was suppose to be the only Malachai.

DHfan - in Dream Warrior - the very last paragraph, the very last sentence will give you your answer (:

Jared askes Madoc if anyone else knows he's related to the Malachai.

Hope this helps clear up some stuff!

Oh I know about that part Serpent, I just missed the older brother part from Invincible. Or if I did catch it was way back when I first the read the book.

I don't think you should worry , Adoore. Acheron is kind of hard to kill even for the Malachai. After all he is god/chthonian/godslayer/charonte...hell maybe at some point we'll learn he is also arcadian drakos. And I really can't see SK killing off her cash cow.Anyways...yeah I do believe Nick is the only Malachai cuz of the balance in the universe. If somehow Madoc ended up a Malachai there won't be any Nick cuz we'll have one Sephirii and one Malachai. But since Madoc has some Malachai genes (if he's really Adarians older son)than I'm so right about him being Noirs hidden wepon :D

Thank you Tempi for the message.

You are very welcome , Adoore :)

I have a question.. doesn't it seem like theres a BIG your staring the obvious in the face in regards to the Sephirii and the Malachi? I mean theres obviously something between Jared and Jaden (they could be brothers or lovers.. love the way SK just squeezed that in), its obvious when Jaden gave up the amulet in Dream Warrior for Jared.. and how they are both slaves... but doesnt that also stand to reason that Nick has to have a second maybe even Madoc? Because honestly I cant see ADARIAN not being eventually killed off.

A second what Vish? Like a second in command?

a trump card .. like jared and jaden its obvious that neither is willing to leave the other behind almost like theyre the same kind of special, makes me wonder if madoc isnt hiding something more than a relative.. maybe theres 2 of each, a pair of lovers to trump a pair of relatives..

Interesting Vish. I'll have to really get on that third CON book for sure.

Tempi wrote: "Ambrose is trying to change the events that took place in the DH series, more specifically in Seize The Night.He is bringing new players and more to the point he introduce his younger self to Simi ..."

Erik is dead? When did that happen?

What do you think is Nick's relationship with Artemis? I know they're friends and they sleep together or at least did, but the author said on one of their characters' page on the website that their relationship is different from what she and Ash had. I know Ash and Artie loved each other once, and I really do NOT think that is what is going on. In STYXX, Artemis talked about the people she was loyal to, and after mentionning one, she said "no, there is another, but that's it" or something like that. Based on her reaction to Apollo attacking Nick, and some of the glimpses we've had of her and Ambrose's relationship in CON, I think Nick is the "only other one" she is loyal to. I think he has a lot of influence on her. The kind way she acted when Soteria gave birth (mentionning how she loved Ash, but not well, and talking about hope for a better future) really screamed Nick to me. His father loved Cherise but because he was never taught to handle the emotion, he destroyed whatever chance at happiness he could have had. Artemis irreperably hurt Ash over centuries and she manipulated Katra to gain power. I think Nick is teaching her friendship and love, so she doesn't end up like his father. Unlike his father, Artemis can be saved because she's not evil, just selfish.

In Sam and Dev's book, one of the Dogs of War was talking about teaching Nick one of his powers: Demonology, or something? From Sam's reaction, I guess I'm supposed to be impressed, but I don't know what it is. Someone help me?

Yes, it was Demonology that Chi was attempting to teach Nick. =)

I'm presuming that it means the study of demons--it's never explicitly spelled out exactly what it entails, as far as the DH world is concerned--but I believe it was mentioned in CON that there are thousands of demon species, some of them extinct.

It sounds like Chi knows of nearly all the various species of demons, including the history and powers of each species. Which would be a massive amount of knowledge, as even Acheron doesn't know all the different species.

I'm thinking that Chi is trying to teach Nick, what Caleb is teaching Nick in bits and pieces in CON. =)

Charlotte wrote: "Yes, it was Demonology that Chi was attempting to teach Nick. =)

I'm presuming that it means the study of demons--it's never explicitly spelled out exactly what it entails, as far as the DH world ..."

But when Chi said "demonology", Sam was like "woah, that's a powerful ability" or whatever. So it's not like he's getting a history lesson. Anybody could learn demonology is it was just about studying demon races. Maybe it's an ability to control them, track them, identify them, I don't know but there has to be more to it than that.

Speaking of CON, do you happen to know what are the 9 or 10 things a Malachai must learn to be at full power? I know necromancy is one, but I don't recall any of the others being mentionned.

Anybody else thinks Father Jeffrey is gonna turn out to be someone or something other than human? Nick's apparently been confessing his many demonic adventures for years now. Plus, that's the same church that apparently lost the records with his communion name on it (which is also his true name, to summon and enslave him).

Good point Marie!;)

Ever since finding out about the whole reincarnation thing, I've been combing through all the flashbacks in the books to figure out who else he might have been in history. It's getting ridiculous! I'm now half-convinced he was also William Death, of Deadman's Cross, after reading a brief excerpt.

I'm pretty sure Ash also saw one of Nick's incarnation when he woke him from that coma he was in while Stryker tricked everyone into thinking he was a traitor. And I know he didn't see Monakribos, because I don't think he would have been so surprised later on when he found out what Nick really was.

Ooo I just looked at his profile on the website and I can definitely agree that he could fit the bill (to me anyway) to be one of Nick's incarnations.

Remember in Invision when he was walking up the stairs with Budda's dad and he was thinking about how it always felt like he knew Acheron and Kyrian in another/past life? I wonder WHO he could have been????

Malachaibubble12 wrote: "Ooo I just looked at his profile on the website and I can definitely agree that he could fit the bill (to me anyway) to be one of Nick's incarnations.

Remember in Invision when he was walking up ..."

You know how some stuff will be weirdly similar from one lifetime to the other with reincarnated characters?

Case in point, (SPOILER FROM SONO:) (view spoiler)[ Britomartis fell for a Celt prince while gazing through a mirror. Jo first saw Cadegan in a mirror. (hide spoiler)] And Nick's father died so he could live, just like Monakribos' father did.

Well, in the excerpt of Deadman's Cross, William Death (view spoiler)[ has a last name no one can pronounce correctly. He has blue eyes and dark hair. He is very sarcastic. Sounds familiar? I'm probably making too much of this. (hide spoiler)]

I'm trying to figure out the Ash and Kyrian connections too. A lot of the reincarnated characters were distantly related to their previous selves and also looked a lot like them, but I don't know if that's just a coincidence or if it's a requirement.

Wow, I never even thought about it before. About the Father Jeffrey bit. So he's got another person sort of protecting him. Nick has had a lot of people looking after him. Now I'm trying to figure out who he could be or if someone asked a favor of him to watch out for Nick

Shari-amor wrote: "Wow, I never even thought about it before. About the Father Jeffrey bit. So he's got another person sort of protecting him. Nick has had a lot of people looking after him. Now I'm trying to figure ..."

Mennie said "we didn't have any choice!" when justifying how she engineered Nick's birth. WE. So he's one of my main suspects for people to have participated in that. But I still have no clue who or what else he might be. I think others of the Kalosum were involved. I mean, I don't think it's a total coincidence that the wife of a former Hellchaser saved his life as an infant.

Ah see I just assumed she was talking about herself and Maahes. There wouldnt be a lot of beings you'd trust with this sort of thing especially to keep quiet and not try to kill and/or take Nick as a prisoner. But it makes sense that Mennie and a small band of other powerful beings orchestrated Nick's birth.

Shari-amor wrote: "Ah see I just assumed she was talking about herself and Maahes. There wouldnt be a lot of beings you'd trust with this sort of thing especially to keep quiet and not try to kill and/or take Nick as..."

I don't know Maahes very well, so he didn't come to mind but I wouldn't be surprised

I just know Maahes as her right hand man. He's the Egyptian god of War and Protection, I believe. I'm trying to think of other beings Mennie would trust. I dont think Set was around because he was still trapped out in the desert.