Writing Passionates discussion

who are your characters usually?? villians that are good people or complete villians or kind gentle people?


my are always good........wat r yours

i think my are very human also but are always on the side of goodish

okay... well it's complicated...
i luv all my characters to death (or most of em, anyway) but they are always SO FLAWED!!! i do a lot of character inventories, and i always struggle on the 'character strengths' part. but w/the flaws, i'll have, like, an entire page. especially when i did the ones for soul stealer... :P lol. i couldn't decide why i liked either of the main characters, i just DO! maybe i like them BECAUSE they're so flawed?? idk. XD

I don't do well with villians...... My characters reflect my personality too much and that just isn't me. They always seem to end up soft........ Hmmmm..... I dunno, my characters just sort of develop as I go along, and sometimes I have to edit at the beginning so they fit.

I have a really hard time making "evil" characters. Like, I can have this evil king or whatever who everyone hates - but once he actually does stuff in the story, he's not actually that horrible.
And my main character is always pretty much invincible.
And I hate all the people I ever try to portray as "nice" because they just end up being pushovers who don't actually do anything to advance the plot.

So, uh, my characters are either mini-gods or flat & one-dimensional.

I have a mix of both hero and villain characters...usually my main characters are good, though.

i like characters who are ultimately good, even though they have the ability to be evil... if that makes any sense.
like my character luke in the prophecy of aedán, if any of you are reading that...

For me it depends...usually they are part of a prophecy against an purely evil person. But, they change. For example, one of my characters is fed up with the villain even though he has decided to counter his ways. He then becomes sort of evil and tries to kill him...which is bad cause he's blind 0_0

I think all characters have flaws, no? Otherwise we wouldn't even like them. My main characters usually overall are good. They have morals, are couragous and overall the kind of people I like to be around. (Which is good since they do surround me forever!) But, my favorite part of writing is probably the villains. (Is that normal??) They're fun to create, can be truely scary, downright comical, or just plain insane. Sometimes I have trouble making my villains deeper than my main characters. :)

I'm having a challenge now though. How do you write a story with no villains? I mean, even the "villain" is good and I'm pretty much in love with him... sigh.

yes i agree, villains are very fun to create! XD
and i think it's possible to write a story w/no villains... like if the main conflict is... idk. a disease or something. unless that counts as a villain, too. hmmmm

yes... well that's not my story. I guess there is a "villain." You (or at least I and hopefully the readers) just love him so much that you don't want to think of him as bad. And really, he's not. *chews lip thoughtfully* It's complicated.

Like Goobe in Meet the Robinsons?

Mine switches here and there.

I agree, villains are the most fun to create and write about!! *cackles evilly*

Have you ever noticed how the story always seems better when seen partially from the shadows? For example, the book The Sight was not as good as it's sequel, Fell. His personality and such are so much more interesting.

uggggh i HATED the sight... although i kinda liked the villain, how she had a background story to show why she was evil...

i have heard that the sight was terribble but the fell was amazing

i didn't read fell cuz i didn't like the sight...

Hero or Villian?
IMHO the main difference between the two is perception. The villian usually sees himself as a hero/savior/champion to his cause or goal. What ever ways or means it takes to achieve this goal is OK. He/she can justify it because in their mind the world, country, or people will be better with them in charge or what ever the changes they want made(ie banning gas & diesel powered vehicles and using electrical or animal power instead.) To us it's crazy, but to them it's not. The hero would go through the normal process to get the changes made. The Villian would take matters in their own hands and force the change, no matter what.
G W Pickle

I agree GW. I always think it's interesting how people talk of right and wrong as black and white, when really it is perspective. Don't get me wrong, I know where my personal line is of what is right and what is wrong. But still, I think most villains deceive theirselves (that's a word right?...) into thinking what they're doing is right. For that reason, I find it difficult to write not only for villains but for the main heroes of the story. At one point or another, I think we all trick ourselves into doing something we wouldn't otherwise agree with. It's human nature.

i know what u mean. evil can look good or good can look bad

i will be starting my first book soon. i will have both heroes and villains. in this book, it will be easy to find not so good things about the hero. however, it will be very difficult to find any good things about the villain, but i will come up with something.

Well, in one of my stories that I just started, I think that the hero and the villain are the same person.

In another story, there is no villain, just a human with an extreme flaw that she got over. So then, she wasn't even a little bit of the villain anymore. But I'm not finished with the story, so, things will probably change again.

I think that evil villains should be people who used to be good, but then a tragedy happened and they vowed for revenge. Laina & GW are right, it's all on perspective. I like making the hero someone who just honestly is lost, and accidentally saves the world. The bad guy is just someone who's completely consumed, but somehow realizes that they don't have to be that way in the end, like Darth Vader.

That's how my character is in Fyre. . .She goes bad.

mmmm yeah. exactly. no one is, like, born evil. there has to be a REASON, like a motivation that the person turned evil. but in their perspective, they don't see themselves as evil; they think they're doing the right thing sort of.... or they know they're doing something bad, but they can't help it cuz they really want revenge.

true...whenever I create/write about villains, I always keep in mind that no villain thinks himself/or herself as the villain. in their eyes, their acts are always justified. no evil person thinks themselves as evil.

i also agree that a good villain used to not be evil, but something happened to make them like that. or they are evil, but you understand why, and you can sympathize with them.

In my newest story (not on Goodreads - the story's only handwritten), the villian character isn't necessary "evil", he just does things only for his own good - which really screws up life for the main hero character.
So, in a way, he knows that what he is doing is wrong, he just really doesn't care because there's no consequences for him.

soooooo i am almost finished with reading evil genius and the main character is sorta manipulated into being evil but the only reason he does evil things is because he is so smart the only things that will give him a challenge is orchestraiting something evil

Thanks! :)

well, it was mentioned how there are villains out there that are evil just because. I know I've mentioned this before (maybe not in this topic...) but the Joker is the ultimate villain in my opinion. (I'm a die-hard Batman fan. Have I mentioned this?) He's evil just because. because he has no hope for the world. He's scary, yet you ALMOST relate to him. Almost. And aslo, I think The Lion King has a classic viallin. (I'm a die-hard Lion King fan, too!) I mean, in the second one (which is not nearly as good as the first!) they talk about how "Scar had a darkness in him that he couldn't escape." I believe that is possible. And this is lengthy, so I'll stop now. Overall, I think we can learn how to create villains my looking at classic ones, sad ones, and abnormal ones. Just by watching their body language and reading about their actions....

I like having the villains being crazy. It just seems more fitting.

I think Darth Vader is a great example if you want a good villain. Someone who seems ruthless, but is really just trying to make their way in the world.

The third one is depressing...I just saw it yesterday too! *gasp*

OMG!!! THERE'S A SECOND LION KING??? wow. I had to idea. I haven't seen any of the sequels to the animated disney movies.

Yeah, there's a second lion king!!
Simba's Pride!!
Love the movie so much!!

Wow. never heard of it, even.

haha. it makes me mad when they make sequels like twenty years later. but hte second lion king is one of the better ones. It could've been just as amazing, but they go some stupid person to do the music instead of keepign Hans Zimmer! Idahomas!

I'm not the greatest at writing villains, especially in their POV. I have a hard time getting into their mindset, I guess. I'm better with heroes.

I prefer villains in stories to be human, at least in the sense that they have both virtues and vices, that they're not completely evil through-and-through. In my opinion, heroes should have flaws, and villains should have some quality of good within them.

Of course, that's easier said than written...

so true. XD

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NOES NOT EXTREME HAPPINESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry, it has already killed me the maximum amount. I am permanently dead, and you can no longer kill me. I will haunt everyone along with the smiley face from now on. HAVE FUN!!!!

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whoops, there's some dead faces in there too! teehee XD

should I resume the role of the victim since veRONIca has already died the maximum amount?


PS. How did you get those hearts there? tell me or I will kill a defenseless toilet!

A toilet?

you hit num lock, then hold alt, press 3, then let go of alt, then 3 ♥

Weird, I never knew you could do that with the heart thing. Cool.
*learns something new every day*

or you can just copy and paste.♥

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haha. that works too. especially cuz i can't figure out how to do it on my own computer.