Vampires, Werewolves, and Zombies. discussion

I realy cannot think of a single book (besides my own) that vampires and werewolves actually seems slightly able to get along with one another. You would think that the two supernatural beings would realize that they are in the same boat and help one another.

I think it's a handy way for an author to put conflict into a book...almost a natural progression.

i'd like to see books with a werewolf and vampire falling in love.

Interesting concept.

I hope you don't mind Greg, I added your book to the group shelf. (And my to-read shelf)

I think what it boils down to is personality. The vampire is the super human: strong, intelligent, ect. Almost over-human, if that makes any sense.

The werewolf falls back on instinct. Animistic, savage, untamed, and reactive. They act more on impulse.

If there was a scale that incorporated the human personality, and human was the buffer, it seems that the vampire would be on one end, and the werewolf on the other.

The counterparts seem to be polar opposites of each other, but in most stories they can't seem to find the common ground of being unhuman.

I think you said it better with "unhuman" and "superhuman".

There's also a matter of territory. They both have the same prey.

There is good and bad werewolves in my stories that have them. It all depended on the human part of the equation. If the human was a bad person then the werewolf would be and vice versa. The animal side is neither good nor evil but as has been said, acting on instinct. I also explore the aspect that the human corrupts what comes naturally to the wolf in turning to the darker side of things. Then there is also the aspect of the human mind just can't handle the transformation and when in wolf form simply goes berzerk. I know all that sounds a bit complicated but I don't try to cram all that into one story alone.

In one of my books, the vampires find out that werewolves don't exist. They're kind of bummed by that. :)

Generally speaking, I think it's a rivalry thing. You can't have two alpha monsters. Vampires have their arrogance. Wolves have their pack mentality. Neither one is going to tolerate the other for long.

Now if you had a werewolf raised from a baby/pup by a vampire master, then that might be an interesting take, although Underworld: Rise of the Lycans kind of already tackled that to a degree.

Gil's All Fright Diner is a great and very funny read where a vampire and werewolf are best buddies who encounter an attack by zombies. Which makes me think, are zombies the common enemy of vampires and werewolves? Or are they too 'low' to even be considered in this equation!?

Other than that, there are several books where a single vampire and werewolf become involved with each other, but mostly in a Romeo and Juliet fashion where the "families" are sworn enemies, e.g. the Underworld series or parts of the Crimson City series. Another book that comes to mind is Almost Undead.

I think (even though its a tv show) thats what drew me to (both the bbc and us) versions of Being Human, you have two best friends that happen to be a werewolf and a vampire living together in a flat in Brostol/Boston. It was a welcome change from the literary cliche

Werewolves have always been subjugated to vampires, and vampires view them as servants, so the tension I think comes from that dynamic.

The whole werewolf slave to vampire thing is something that has happened just recently in the past 20 years or so(according to my google search)

Rick: Actually, I remember (in movies, anyway) the Wolfman being subjugated to Bella Lugosi's Dracula. And that was more than 20 years ago.

ok So with the rising art of cinema Hollywood has pit the two against each other. In terms of Folklore most legends have them being ambivalent towards each other. Hell the Greeks believed a dead werewolf would rise up as a Vampire if not properly buried.

I know of a couple books were the vampires and werewolves get along

Lucifera's Pet and
Lesser - A Villainous Urban Fantasy

These are excellent reads!

I know this is an old thread but I just had to resurrect it because I have strong feelings about the ancient war between vampires and werewolves. It was a cool idea when White Wolf did it (and Underworld copied) but I personally think the idea has been done to death. Same with ancient vampire councils (or wizard councils) and that type of thing. I'd be surprised and impressed to see different portrayals of the relationship.

I love both but I see what the debate is about; Vampires suck blood and most Werewolves/Lycans are not ok with that.

I agree with Wolf.

Mary wrote: "i'd like to see books with a werewolf and vampire falling in love."
That would make sex scenes interesting if the vampire was in bat form and the werewolf was in wolf form.

hIpnoticraQs, That is not physically possible but if it was that would sure be interesting.

Well I suppose maybe if the bat was male, wolf female?
hahaha

Day Soldiers has vampires and werewolves joining forces to subjugate humanity before their existence can be proven. But the relationship is a bit strained, the werewolves just want the forests and natural areas while the vampires are contented to remain within the cities. I think the concept of "monster fights" goes back at least to the Universal Monsters, you had Frankenstein meets the Wolf Man and then the House of Dracula/Frankenstein, which saw the group come together. So far all the comments I've seen have tapped into the presented realms. I try to keep the monsters separate in my books (or as a cohesive conglomeration). I'm still waiting for someone to throws Mummies against Vampires/Zombies - it would be an undead battle royal.

I haven't dealt with vampires directly in my books yet, although I do believe that's coming. My werewolves do mention them. Not quite sure how I'm going to approach the interaction other than the werewolves loathe the vamps.

Mary wrote: "i'd like to see books with a werewolf and vampire falling in love."

I'm working on a erotica short with just this idea. I'll be posting and promoting when it's ready for release.

I like the concept of Day Soldiers - the combined might of werewolves and vampires - something a bit different. And once humanity is subjugated, which would be the first to turn on t'other?

Maybe the hatred is as simple as smell. Maybe vampires (which are basically dead) let off an odor that werewolves can smell and they don't like it.

Mary wrote: "i'd like to see books with a werewolf and vampire falling in love."

Different deal.....a vampire falls in love with a witch in Deborah Harkness's "All Souls Trilogy."

Mary wrote: "i'd like to see books with a werewolf and vampire falling in love."

I have wanted to see that as well.

I like what Greg said, I'll have to read one of his books soon.

I think it's just trendy. Or maybe just a cool idea. Yeah, pit the two monsters against each other. Like Freddy Vs. Jason or Alien Vs. Predator, it's just something that fans put together. I like that.

They are also pulling from the same pool of prey/population expansion (population if you have it that they can only repopulate by infecting others, like in my series, where werewolves and vampires are sterile). It's only natural for predators to fight over a shared resource.

All I can say right now is that a wet werewolf smells like dogs. Female Vampires smell of lavender or Patchouli or even cinnamon spice.

I never fully understood the animosity between the two creatures. Why can't we all just get along, like they did in The Monster Squad, lol.

I also never understood why there wasn't more mainstream ideas based on werewolves having vampires as minions/prisoners. It always seems to be the other way around.