The Vampire Diaries discussion

Well this is the big discussion for anyone that needs to talk about the final book in The Return series.....any disappointment? annoyances?

Damon's "death": Everyone was saying how Damon has died but did everyone read the very last chapter? His body seems to still be alive. And I don't think it is anything Bonnie did. I don't know what people are talking about when they say she did some spell. I figure it is hopeful thinking on their part. What a more plausible suggestion is that remains of the star ball are in the air.

I'm a little bit irritated at Elena for having both Stefan and Damon. :( And when Stefan's feelings was hurt!! :((

He died and was alive at the last part. :> I've read it! hehe.:D Hmm. That suggestion makes sense!! I didn't think of it that way. Good thinking! :) I just know after Elena, Bonnie, Stefan, and Sage left he suddenly became alive. :)) I was so happy I didn't even ask why he was alive again. hehe.:)

I cried so much when he died, I dont think I ever got this emotional while reading something and books seems to usually get a lot to me :|
I do feel sorry for both Damon and Stefan though because Damon was hurting all over when Elena was with Stefan. and then Stefan watched her kiss his brother and tell him she loved him. Must have broken his heart. I know she loves both of them, but I think it was very selfish. She either has one of them or none. But then there wouldn't be a book about it :P

Oh I know....it was a very sad scene....I was like crying...meanwhile feeling sorry Stefan at the same time.

This is why I don't really practically like triangles...@_@ however it does make the story doesn't it? like you said Milly.

Although I would have done it differently...Elena is a bit selfish in this series it seems...actually from the beginning.

What did you think of the Meredith and Matt situation? would have wanted them to kiss? even though they didn't...

also I kind of think it is Bonnie's fault to what happen to Damon...sorry to say but that is what I think.

I feel the same, Graziella. :( I also agree with you that Elena is a bit selfish. Matt and Meredith.. Hmm. I don't see the sparks between them, if you know what I mean. Hehe. :)) Agree. Partly it's Bonnie's fault but can't blame her cause they all didn't know that the Tree is alive, right? :D

That is how Elena's character is in the book anyhow...nothing we can do about it.

But you know...Now don't get me wrong, but...LJ Smith could have done better with Stefan. Because to me it seemed kind of out of feelings I dont' know how to explain it. He was like oh...you and my brother are in love...and I didn't see that because I'm blind and I didn't' see that Bonnie was in love with him either so i kind of feel like and idiot. ect...

If I were Stefan I don't think I would be very forgiving...mind you they were kind of dying situation at that time...but I mean afterwards when they got their wish and everything returned as it was and with out Damon.

Or Maybe it is just me and Stefan just has a different way to handle things. (We all know he can be angry he just hasn't showed it yet)

I did feel sorry for Stefan, it's as if the whole time she told him she loved him was a lie, because obviously she was in love with his brother, too. Now I'm not sure who I'd prefer Elena to stay with. In a way Stefan, because she can't just ditch him and run away with his brother. It's been about them two for so long. But in a way Damon, because well I want them two together ;P
but then Bonnie's left out.
I like Matt and Meredith :3 I think it' adorable. But in a way they are just good friends, friend zone.

Oh yeah. Now that I think about it I was a bit shocked to his reply. I thought he would be angry at her ( which he should be). But maybe you're right too that he have a different way handling things. :)

@_@ who knows....lol

maybe he is just that laid back? He did get mad with Damon before then that caused him feed on a whole football team. Remember that part?

maybe he just loves her so much he just wants her to be happy, even if it's with his brother. :S

It's possible...:S but really who would be like that? But then again we are talking about a guy, maybe they are different in their feelings and expressing them?

Any guys out there who would like to comment on this?

What did everyone thing about the "grandmother" of Isobel being the bad guy all a along?

Graziella wrote: "It's possible...:S but really who would be like that? But then again we are talking about a guy, maybe they are different in their feelings and expressing them? ."

true, maybe we'll find out. maybe not :S

i was well shocked about the grandmother, totally did not see that coming!

yeah me either...i'm like seriously....that is one messed up twist LOL...

I kind of felt bad for Meredith...she was so mad at herself for not guessing.

Did anyone feel that the big secret that Elena had that she couldn't tell anyone was THAT bad that she couldn't tell Damon? I mean it is not like she didn't resist him in the Dark Dimension when they were looking for Stefan right?

When I found out I'm like that's all? what the hell was so secret about that? LOL mind you i suppose Damon could have used it against her? who knows..why she choose to keep it from him.

Yeah, I feel like the big secret wasn't that big. I feel like by not telling anyone she was protecting Damon more than herself.

I feel like Matt & Meredith were just purely euphoric at the end of the battle and they are just friends.

And I want Damon & Elena to be together so badly! I was so upset at the end! But is she writing more books or is she just doing a completely different series with the same characters? The Hunters or whatever its called?

The big secret was a letdown. Most people didn't even realize that was it when they read it. It was a casualty of the new morality imposed by the publishers. They are completely against Delena, which is why L.J. Smith got the boot (the new series has "created by L.J. Smith" and no author).

The Hunters is a reboot. The characters go off to college, and they become the Scooby Gang and solve mysteries. I'm reserving judgement.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that felt that it was a let down.

Your right Jennifer I wouldn't put it pass the publishers for having LJ smith change what she was going to put as the secret. It doesn't just make sense for Elena to keep that secret.

It was a good book but it was a letdown by far, not only is it the end to the series but you never really know what happens with Damon, i would assume hes alive but if so then what? and what happens with Elena? these are things that should of been explained before the ending of the series

They should be...but we don't know if Damon will come back now...because of the ghost writer and the fact that harper Collins doesn't want Damon and Elena. :(

Maybe Damon will remain dead....:(:(

it is really too bad because book Damon is quite interesting...although he has kind of gone soft in this last book...

I'm coming a bit late to this discussion, but anyhow... I was devastated when Damon died, but I like to be devastated by a book; it means it's getting you involved, which is a good thing. I really don't like that he came back (or is coming back or whatever). It's like a cop out. Elena's died twice and returned, and now Damon too. It's like death is no big deal. You don't have to stay dead, so it loses its scariness/impact, you know?
Is everyone going to read the Hunters? Personally, I'm just not interested anymore since it's not LJ writing them. It would be like reading fanfic, which isn't something I normally pay for.

I'm going to take a look at the book...just to see where this is heading? I don't know...I just don't look forward to reading it when I know for a fact their won't be any damon + elena stuff...:( maybe to close the chapter on their relationship I suppose? They will probably look to making something happen between bonnie and Damon? which personally I don't agree on...I didn't even like it in midnight really.

btw Jessica it is never too late to jump into conversations :)

Thanks Graziella :)

I wasn't crazy about the Bonnie/Damon stuff either. I didn't mind in the original trilogy that there was a tiny spark between them, and I didn't even mind too much when that was expanded on in Nightfall... but I can't really see them together as a an actual couple.

I know LJ had planned to introduce a brand new love interest for Bonnie in Phantom, but I don't know if that'll be written out or not by the ghostwriters. I think Bonnie should have her own soulmate. Although I'm not too crazy about where they're going with her in the tv series either (I'm only about half way thru second series at the moment...)

I liked Bonnie and Damon the way they were. She had this huge bad-boy crush, and as much as she knows about him, she still believes he'll be there when she needs him. The best part is that she's right. Her innocence brings out the humanity in Damon, and keeping her safe restores some sort of balance in him.
Aha! She's his Jiminy Cricket!

Yeah I also prefer it before. A Crush and that is all it is lol.

A crush on Jiminy Cricket indeed!

I like to think of Bonnie as Damon's tie to the real world - he kind of lives in his own demented universe, and although he did fall in love with human Elena, she just became part of his whole prince of darkness persona. Then Bonnie comes along, and he's all like "wtf? a teensy *human*? oh... wait.. i like the teensy human... Huh." I can see how this translates to the occasional romantic frisson, but I don't think it makes for a lasting relationship, just for a nice other facet of the Damon-verse.

I think this is what gets realised at the the end of Midnight. I know it's a little ambiguous, but LJ stated explicitly that Damon only lives because of what Bonnie did with the hair. She is *literally* bringing him back to the world of the living. I like.

I never really thought of it in that way. thanks for that insight. :)

all I knew I didn't like the bonnie and damon thing from the beginning...lol