Debates of all sorts discussion

Is the Big Bang Theory correct?

Of course it is, it is the best explanation we have and many many things support it.

No. God created the universe, and this is obvious in the order of things. You will go to Hell for not believing. Repent while you can.

XD maybe we should just wait for real Christians... did you notice the size of this group like double since yesterday? My invites are working :D

Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Awesome!
And heh, OK. xD

Lol yeah.

I sooo dnt believe in the big bang, i think its a bunch of bullshit, i dnt know what those scientists were thinking, but yeah, theyre out of their minds

xDDD I'm being sarcastic!!!!!!!! I believe in the Big Bang...there's like...piles of evidence and all :P

Thats u, but thats me too lol

So why do you not believe the scientists?

Coz i dnt believe em, thats it, their evidence isnt correct or substantial and i dnt believe in accuracy when it comes to them

((Gosh, i feel so interviewish lol))

ummmmmm, the evidence scientists have come up with makes far more sense...

♥←Itz Deena 4 ya_gotta love me, right? →♥ wrote: "Coz i dnt believe em, thats it, their evidence isnt correct or substantial and i dnt believe in accuracy when it comes to them"

How do you know their evidence is incorrect? Have you even looked at it? It's quite substantial.
And why don't you believe in accuracy?

Precisely, almost every speck of evidence these devoted scientists have discovered point towards the big bang-and, no offense but I think they know what they are talking about more than we do...

Plus, what would be their interest in lying to us? :P

♥←Itz just...Deena→♥ wrote: "Coz i dnt believe em, thats it, their evidence isnt correct or substantial and i dnt believe in accuracy when it comes to them"

Yet you have no argument against their evidence, so ... not convincing.

There's no way to really prove the Big Bang happened for sure, but it's very logical. Since the universe is expanding, it had to start somewhere.

Well, the idea would be that it will contract eventually, but no one knows when that would be seeing as we don't know what the limits of the universe are.

♥ Rachel♥ wrote: "No. God created the universe, and this is obvious in the order of things. You will go to Hell for not believing. Repent while you can."

Um, if you are religious, you would know that YOU dont decide. K?

The Big Bang Thoey...OOO, my favorite! :P Lol

Lol, seriously this is a load of crap. God created the universe. Cody, if your such evidence is "something came from nothing", then I rest my case.

Science can't prove everything, and I wish scientists would just understand that.

That's your theory, your god said let their be light and their was, that's everything coming from nothing. Plus were did your god come from? Science doesn't know were the original matter came from (though there are ideas) but that doesn't mean you just say God did it.

The big bang, well, nobody was there so nobody can really say for sure it happened, can they? But it's the closest we've come to a logical explanation. I'm not going to argue for or against it, because in the end will we ever really know for sure?

But saying god did it...it's just ridiculous, at least to me. "Well we don't know how this happened so GOD DID IT!" And as Cody said, where did god come from? Was he just...there?

He's been "there" forever. Since the dawn of time, alright?

luhvBOOKS *~Colin Morgan/JD Forever~* wrote: "The Big Bang Thoey...OOO, my favorite! :P Lol

Lol, seriously this is a load of crap. God created the universe. Cody, if your such evidence is "something came from nothing", then I rest my case. ..."


Although science and archeology can prove that the bible is true. But that's another matter.

Celine -gimme cheese and I'll be fineeeee- wrote: "luhvBOOKS *~Colin Morgan/JD Forever~* wrote: "The Big Bang Thoey...OOO, my favorite! :P Lol

Lol, seriously this is a load of crap. God created the universe. Cody, if your such evidence is "somethi..."

No, no, I'm actually rather interested if you don't mind going into it?

luhvBOOKS *~Colin Morgan/JD Forever~* wrote: "He's been "there" forever. Since the dawn of time, alright?"

I find that a little hard to believe...where's his mother? Surely she had to give birth, since men can't birth themselves? Or was he just literally always there? It's a tad odd for me to accept, really :/

luhvBOOKS *~Colin Morgan/JD Forever~* wrote: "He's been "there" forever. Since the dawn of time, alright?"

Well if that's your argument I'll say the matter was there since the beginning. You're incredibly dense.

@Celine, that "evidence" is found through heavy cheery picking, trust me, archaeology and science does not support the bible.

luhvBOOKS *~Colin Morgan/JD Forever~* wrote: "He's been "there" forever. Since the dawn of time, alright?"

So he was just "there" like the universe has always been "there" since the dawn of time. I don't see how your explanation is any more reasonable or believable.

Yeah, the Big Bang makes no sense to me at all. Not even because I'm religious; it just...doesn't make sense!

If you can't create or destroy matter, how did it get there in the first place? I don't think that one little bitty atom ran into another little bitty atom and then something exploded and created all of this. It's too much of a coincidence that this collision happened at a perfect distance from the sun to keep us the temperature we need to be, not too hot or cold, and that our cells just work on their own, without our even thinking about it. Our bodies function to perfectly for it to have just "happened" the way the Big Bang describes. Besides, you can't even create something from nothing! Science ITSELF tells you that, since you can't create energy or matter.

And about God always being "there", trust me, even as a religous person, it's a mind-boggling concept. I don't know where God came from or when, or where it all really started, or if it even HAD a beginning or any of that. But I just tell myself I'm mortal and I can't figure the way God works or any of that. So, Luvh, I wouldn't try explaining it. I don't think we, as mortals, will ever really know.

Thalia wrote: "Yeah, the Big Bang makes no sense to me at all. Not even because I'm religious; it just...doesn't make sense!

If you can't create or destroy matter, how did it get there in the first place? I don'..."

Well no, there's not really a point in explaining either argument since neither one makes "sense" and is too much for our puny human minds to comprehend. As far as we know, you can't create matter if it wasn't there to begin with, which would mean that it had to always be there. And since no one can prove otherwise, there's not much sense arguing over which one makes more sense. The Big Bang proposes that an explosion created something out of nothing, and Creationism proposes that God made the universe out of nothing just because he felt like it. Both are rather difficult to comprehend.

Well the Big Bang wasn't explosion as much as a semi quick expansion... Hold on Maybe a visual representation will help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbJ_nI...

Actually, God didn't make the universe out of nothing. That much I do know (I'm studying the Old Testament this year in seminary). I also don't know where the matter came from, but it had to come from somewhere. But neither side can explain where it came from, so I don't understand why the Big Bang seems so much more plausible than that God could have created everything.

Because there is evidence that the expansion did happen. We have evidence of the Big Bang, creationism has none. Oh and what the hell did God make the universe out of other then snapping his fingers and there being light? Also why did a supposedly omnipotent being need a day of rest? Why would an all powerful being get tired?

It was to show respect. That's why we have the Sabbath. His day of rest represented the day of rest we're supposed to take from working on the Sabbath. And it seems to me like there's just as much evidence to both sides. The universe can actually expand if it were God's creation you know. Since earth is not the only planet He created.

Cody wrote: "Well the Big Bang wasn't explosion as much as a semi quick expansion... Hold on Maybe a visual representation will help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbJ_nI..."

Sorry, that was just a poor choice of words on my part, but you get what I mean.
And, cool video. ;)

Thalia wrote: "Actually, God didn't make the universe out of nothing. That much I do know (I'm studying the Old Testament this year in seminary). I also don't know where the matter came from, but it had to come f..."

And the Big Bang also came from some type of matter supposedly; it's just that no one can prove how that matter might have been created, seeing as no one can prove that matter can be created.

I wouldn't say either is more "plausible" but the Big Bang does seem likely because the universe is expanding and therefore had to start at a certain point. That doesn't disprove Creationism necessarily, but it does seem to suggest that at one time the entire universe was contained in a single space.

But, as an honest question, is the only reason that "logical" kinds of people prefer the Big Bang theory over creationism is that they belive that "higher" beings are just impossible? Because it does seem to me that, since nobody was THERE when everything was created, either option could work out, depending on how you look at it. I'm just wondering what makes the idea that God created everything so dang impossible, because I don't really see it, even looking from a scientific standpoint.

I wouldn't say either is more "plausible" but the Big Bang does seem likely because the universe is expanding and therefore had to start at a certain point.

Well...how does that make it any more likely? God could have created everything, and it still has a starting point, and because we're not the ONLY world, the ONLY planet, or even the ONLY galaxy or universe, obviously it's still expanding, since God is still creating.

BECAUSE THERE IS NO BLOODY EVIDENCE FOR A DEITY THAT'S WHY!!! Do you listen to a word I say?!

Yeah, I do. But it seems to me as there is just as much evidence for either side. Science can't tell you where matter came from to begin with; at least not in a strict theory.

But we can say it was there. Why do we need to know were it came from before we can say if it was there or not?

Well, since you're all about proof. Just because it's here now doesn't at all prove how it got here. Gravity is obviously here, but they still tested it to find out a reason why. I'm just trying to think from your perspective.

But we know it was there, we've observed the expansion we've observed were it started from, we know it expanded from one point. We have proof for this, you have none for your deity. And we're working on trying to find how it started, like I said there are hypothesis on this, but it takes a while to find this stuff out, for now we know it was there and we know it expanded creating the universe, we're working on figuring out the rest. There is proof for this though, unlike your god.

Yes, but at this point, it doesn't seem to me that, if you can't find an answer for the beginning, how can you truly prove that everything else works? There are tons of things that people scientifically believed for a long time and they were flawed in that thinking until someone came along hundreds of years later and proved it wrong. Science seems to change its mind all the time, and I don't know of anything that has remained absolutely concrete (except perhaps gravity). I don't find comfort in something that is always changing and almost never constant; and I DO find comfort in something that is "the same yesterday, today, and forever."

So you find comfort in something that denies new evidence and sticks to the same thing even after clearly proven wrong?

Regardless before we really didn't have a little something called the scientific method, by using the scientific method we virtually eliminate mistakes. The reason science changes is because new evidence and info comes forth and it conforms to that to keep a good and accurate view of things, cause we're constantly learning new things, we may find out that the thing that makes gravity do what it does is different then we thought and science is okay with that, it wants to learn more, it wants to be proven wrong so it can become more and more accurate.

Exactly. The stuff I read in my scriptures is still accurate today; the same sins, the same evil, the same people saying things just like you. This happened thousands of years ago, and wow, it's still true! The events in history speak for themselves; it's already been proven, but you seem to just need more.

There were logical people then and there are still logical people now! Wow what a shock! There's still evil just like there was then what a fucking shock! I'll go convert right now because the bible predicated common things throughout history still going on today *HEAVY sarcasm*

There is no empirical or physical evidence for the bible.

You also seem to ignore many things I say.

Sorry you think that because I keep disagreeing with you. But you also seem to ignore the majority of what I say to you. ><

The point is that my beliefs are still relevant. While science changes its mind and finds new ways to prove the "new theory" of the time, and it's never constant.

I'm listening, you're not saying anything new.

You belied has no bloody evidence either. They are nor relevant, they are outdated things written by deluded desert wanderers. Oh and science is never trying to prove a theory, they are trying to find proofs to make a theory from.