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message 1: by Pax (new)

Pax Rolfe | 41 comments This is going to seem like blatant self-promotion, but truly i am looking for the group's opinion. What do you think of the cover of my book?

Fifty One Provenance by Pax Rolfe

How does it compare to other covers you have seen? What don't you like and what do you like?

And to broaden the scope of this discussion, what are some of your favorite A/A covers?


message 2: by Spencer (new)

Spencer Brokaw | 42 comments Honestly? It is awesome! I love it. I honestly do. There is nothing that I don't like, I think it looks wonderful! But why does it have a 3 star rating? I think it looks pretty wicked!


message 3: by Pax (new)

Pax Rolfe | 41 comments hehe- I gave it three stars, cause i'm honest. Heinlein, Orwell, Trevanian. They get four and five stars. I'm not in their league, yet, maybe never. But I'm cool with that. It's not that I think my book is bad, but I know my place and for me to rate it any higher would be disingenuous.

Thanks for the love on the cover, and yes I am looking for honest, even if they are painful, critiques. i promise not to hold them against anyone.

Pax Rolfe


message 4: by Pax (new)

Pax Rolfe | 41 comments and now on my list of favorite covers

The Impenetrable Spy by Spencer Brokaw

and a couple covers that had me buying without even reading the synopsis.

Galaxy Girls by Edie Ramer and KOP (Juno Mozambe Mystery #1) by Warren Hammond


message 5: by Spencer (new)

Spencer Brokaw | 42 comments Haha, 3 isn't that bad. It means its good, but not great, but not perfect. I rated my book 5 stars because someone who hadn't even read my book gave it a mere 3 stars. And I know for a fact they didn't read it. So I didn't want an off rating. But yes, I love your cover, it is definetely fantastic!


message 6: by Traci (new)

Traci Honestly I don't care for the cover but that wouldn't stop me from buying an ebook. Also I'm female and if your core audience is male and they're attracted to the cover...who am I to argue? Lol. Looking around at the books I have to read I like simple covers without much color. A symbol, a city shot, or ones that resemble a painting. Although I bought one today that I got 75% because of the cover. Here's some I like:
Pulse (Chess Team Adventure, #1) by Jeremy Robinson
The Scar (New Crobuzon, #2) by China Miéville
Among Thieves A Tale of the Kin by Douglas Hulick
My favorite cover ever:
The Alienist (Dr. Laszlo Kreizler, #1) by Caleb Carr
(not necessarily all A/A)


message 7: by Brandyp (new)

Brandyp it looks good


message 8: by Pax (new)

Pax Rolfe | 41 comments Also I'm female and if your core audience is male and they're attracted to the cover...who am I to argue? Lol. Lo..."

Thank you Traci. That's the kind of thing I'm wondering about. 3 out of 5 of my beta readers were women and they all said it read like a romance. The guys overlooked the romantic parts and focused more on the guns and action. I'm wondering if it's possible to create a cover that appeals to both. Currently it might be a bit heavy on the testosterone.


message 9: by Spencer (new)

Spencer Brokaw | 42 comments Yes it is lol


message 10: by Jason, Gone but not forgotton (new)

Jason (darkfiction) | 281 comments Mod
The cover isn't bad, at all. My only complaint is that it's a little too busy. It really grabs the eye, though, so that's a good thing.


message 11: by Spencer (new)

Spencer Brokaw | 42 comments If the girl wasn't on there, I think it would look better.


message 12: by Traci (new)

Traci It's not so much the woman's silhouette as the color of it and the crowded background. In my opinion the same silhoutte with a darker plainer background or a darker silhoutte with a brighter background would be easier on my eyes. But I don't hate it. And don't worry about being heavy on the testosterone.


message 13: by Spencer (new)

Spencer Brokaw | 42 comments Well I like the background right now as is, and taking the girl out would make it less "busy" and would be taking away from the testosterone. Thats all I meant Traci. I agree with the color of the silhouette :)


message 14: by Traci (last edited Sep 03, 2011 02:59PM) (new)

Traci That's funny Spencer. It looks like I was answering you. But your comment wasn't up yet when I made mine. We crossed posts. I'm a very slow typist and I think for a long time over what looks right and how I want to say it. :)


message 15: by Spencer (new)

Spencer Brokaw | 42 comments Haha, thats hilarious lol


message 16: by Pax (new)

Pax Rolfe | 41 comments What about this one? https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rl...

Share how that makes you feel? :)


colleen the convivial curmudgeon (blackrose13) Pax wrote: "Share how that makes you feel? :)"

And remember, this is for posterity, so, please, be honest.


message 18: by Jason, Gone but not forgotton (new)

Jason (darkfiction) | 281 comments Mod
I like this one better much better, honestly. I think it's the colors that attract me to it. Also, with the silhouettes out front like that, it makes the stuff behind it seem less busy, as well. Which is a good thing.


message 19: by The Pirate Ghost, Long John Silvers Wanna-be (new)

The Pirate Ghost (Formerly known as the Curmudgeon) (pirateghost) | 5326 comments Mod
Since I have about as much cooth and culture as a cave man or a long shoreman, meaning no offense to cave men, and speaking as an under educated retired career sailor, enlisted, I am probably in somebody's demographic.

Speaking as a rtired dirty ol' sailor, I have to say a flash hot chick on the cover will certainly get my attention. No cover has ever made me buy, or not buy a book but, since sialors, some monkies, and small children like shiny objects (and flashy babes) getting us to look gives you a better chance that we'll check out the back of the book and maybe skim the first chapter. THat's where the books sold.

So... I'm all for the testosterone level, but I won't buy the book unless it's got something in print that gets my attention.

I'm just sayin... (I promise I'm a gentleman now. I even take the dishes out of the sink before I pee in it.)


message 20: by Spencer (new)

Spencer Brokaw | 42 comments I like the new cover better. I think it looks loads better. As an english lad would say, even though I'm not english.


message 21: by Pax (new)

Pax Rolfe | 41 comments One last one- https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-oL...

Better or worse than the last?


message 22: by Spencer (new)

Spencer Brokaw | 42 comments I don't care for it :( The last one you showed was the best :)


colleen the convivial curmudgeon (blackrose13) I like the last the best. It's the cleanest and also has to most immediate "alien" vibe to me.

Question, though: based on the blurb the books about a guy, so why is the female silhouette in such dominance? Is it for the "oh, look, hot chick" reaction from guys?


message 24: by The Pirate Ghost, Long John Silvers Wanna-be (new)

The Pirate Ghost (Formerly known as the Curmudgeon) (pirateghost) | 5326 comments Mod
I'm not so sure a silouette works for me as much as without. I'm with Colleen (which is odd considering I like things with nice silouettes. Corvettes, an AEGIS Class Destroyer (Arlight Burke class) the F-22 joint strike fighter and... a hot babe).

Maybe if I understood the connection between the cover picture and the book?

Unless it's an "Adam and Eve" thing. THen I get that. I almost like the last cover without the silouette, or with only one.

Of course, I'm establishing a short but growing history of inserting my foot in my mouth so far I've got footprints on my underwear on the boards these days so... keeping that in mind, there's my buck and a quarter (I'd have given 2 cents but for inflation.)


message 25: by Pax (last edited Sep 05, 2011 10:26AM) (new)

Pax Rolfe | 41 comments Question, though: based on the blurb the books about a guy, so why is the female silhouette in such ..."

It's about both of them, Adam and Kate. The silhouette of the woman is in front because the original clip art ends at the knees so it had to be up front. Honestly, if you put a gun to my head and Sophie's choiced me on which character I would choose, to possibly die dramatically, leaving the other to go on....I'll be thinking on that one awhile.


message 26: by Jason, Gone but not forgotton (new)

Jason (darkfiction) | 281 comments Mod
I like the last one the best. Not the newest one, but the one before it. :) It grabs my eyes more. The new one is good, too, but there is a strangeness to the second one that attracts me. It's not just the female silhouette, either. LOL


message 27: by Traci (new)

Traci I'm confused. Not hard to do. Lol. I think I like the darker green of the second one. Which would work on the first one too. The first two make me think it's about spies or something. The last one with the smaller figures looks like a science fiction cover.


message 28: by Danielle The Book Huntress , Literary Adrenaline Junkie (new)

 Danielle The Book Huntress  (gatadelafuente) | 5190 comments Mod
TBH, I think it would look better without the suggestive female silhouette. It gives the cover a James Bond feel, which is not what I would go for if you want to attract female readers who are interested in a strong female character in your books. I like James Bond for its spy elements, but not for its message about women and their empowerment in the world.


message 29: by Spencer (new)

Spencer Brokaw | 42 comments James Bond practically kisses every girl he meets, and some other stuff lol. I can't stand that about his movies, especially when he knows the female is the bad guy...


message 30: by Spencer (new)

Spencer Brokaw | 42 comments James Bond practically kisses every girl he meets, and some other stuff lol. I can't stand that about his movies, especially when he knows the female is the bad guy...


message 31: by Spencer (new)

Spencer Brokaw | 42 comments James Bond practically kisses every girl he meets, and some other stuff lol. I can't stand that about his movies, especially when he knows the female is the bad guy...


message 32: by Pax (new)

Pax Rolfe | 41 comments Lady Danielle "The Book Huntress" wrote: "TBH, I think it would look better without the suggestive female silhouette. It gives the cover a James Bond feel, which is not what I would go for if you want to attract female readers who are int..."

As you wish, a little more professional for Kate.


Fifty One Provenance by Pax Rolfe


message 33: by Spencer (new)

Spencer Brokaw | 42 comments Awesomeness! It looks mighty wonderful :)


message 34: by Jason, Gone but not forgotton (new)

Jason (darkfiction) | 281 comments Mod
Awesome outcome, Pax! Congratulations!


message 35: by Danielle The Book Huntress , Literary Adrenaline Junkie (new)

 Danielle The Book Huntress  (gatadelafuente) | 5190 comments Mod
That turned out wonderfully, Pax!


message 36: by Traci (new)

Traci Good job!!!


message 37: by Eileen (new)

Eileen Perfect choice, Pax! I didn't get a chance to respond earlier and that cover I would have chosen. Your book sounds like a book I would enjoy.


message 38: by Kevin (new)

Kevin (spiralcity) It's all subjective.

I like the first cover best.


message 39: by new_user (new)

new_user I would just get rid of the green shadow behind Fifty One to make it more pro. Can you make the silhouettes opaque? I liked the scifi background. I like the original female silhouette much better than the new with the shopping bag. The title might benefit from a little transparency too. Actually, I think I liked the scifi cover best.


message 40: by The Pirate Ghost, Long John Silvers Wanna-be (new)

The Pirate Ghost (Formerly known as the Curmudgeon) (pirateghost) | 5326 comments Mod
"You got your ears on, Pax?"


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