Hollinger: 5 Fall 2011 discussion

1. Explain Lennie and George's relationship. Use quoted text and embedded quotations to support your answer.

2. According to your research, what does "of mice and men" imply? Do you see any foreshadowing in the text? use quoted text and embedd quotations to support your answer.

3. Post ONE of your dialectical journal entries from the first 37 pages. Post the quote and your response.

4. In your own words, explain what DIDLS is used for and how it can be beneficial in our understanding of texts.

1. Lennie and George have a closer relationship then they know it. George believes that he and Lennie are not just lonely guys "that work on ranches" , but rather different. "...because I got you to look after me, you got me to look after you, and that's why." show's a deep meaning on how their friendships is.

Question 1: Lennie and George are two men from Weed, who left to "work on a ranch like the one [they] came from up north". They are friends with no family relation. George looks after Lennie because Lennie is a mentally challenged individual and George feels like its his responsibility to look after him.



Question 2: "The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry." I think it implies that Lennie and George will run into trouble in what seems like the perfect plan to work and make a living. "Well he better watch out for Lennie. Lennie ain't no fighter, but Lennie's strong and quick and Lennie don't know no rules." This kind of foreshadows that Lennie and Curley will quarrel and Lennie will hurt Curley, possibly losing George and his's job.



Question 3: "Well he better watch out for Lennie. Lennie ain't no fighter, but Lennie's strong and quick and Lennie don't know no rules." & "IF he tangles with you Lennie, we're gonna get the can."

Is this foreshadowing that maybe Lennie will indeed fight with Curley? This might cause the duo to lose their jobs and their travel to Soledad was for nothing. I think the boss's son is going to start something just because Lennie is big, and he'll try to beat Lennie, but instead, Lennie will end up hurting Curley. I think he'll hurt the hand that they say is ALWAYS in a glove filled with vaseline.



Question 4: DIDLS is used to help better understand the novel, or pretty much anything you read. It helps you better understand by making you think about what is being said in the book and write down specific elements rather than jsut read straight through it.

1. George and Lennie have a one sided friendship but in that they both have a companian that will always be there. Lennie thinks that George is his friend but Lennie is more of a burden to George than anything. George always has to move place to place because he has to take care of Lennie and Lennie is always getting in trouble. George is always bickering at Lennie, "I could get along so easy and so nice if i didnt have you on my tail. I could live so easy and maybe have a girl," telling him what a burden he is and how George would be better off himself. Sometimes George does like Lennie's company though, "Good boy! Thats fine, Lennie! Maybe your gettin' better. When we get a couple of acres i can let you tend to the rabbits all right." and he tells him things to better their relationship.

2. "Of Mice and Men" comes from a poem by Robert Burns, the full prase is, " the best laid plans of mice and men often go awry" the meaning being that the best plans you have of the future, don't go as you planned. This and when Lennie strokes a mouse in his pocket, which eneded up killing the mouse, foreshadows that Lennie and George's dream may not happen, or something may change. Also you get more ideas of things may not go well with George's attitude towards Curley.

1) George and Lennie's relationship is sort of unstable. Sometimes George can be real mean towards Lennie, but then again he can be real sympathetic. "Blubberin' like a baby! Jesus Christ! A big guy like you....... Aw Lennie! I ain't takin' it away jus' for meanness."

2)I think that "of mice and men" implies that there will be many conflicts along the way of a hardy journey... ?

3)"What you want of a dead mouse, anyways?" "I could pet it with my thumb while we walked along." - It shows that Lennie likes to pet small, furry animals.

4)I think "Diction" was used to help understand the text by using certain language like profane language to modernize the plot and relate to some readers... ?

Destiny wrote: "2. "Of Mice and Men" comes from a poem by Robert Burns, the full prase is, " the best laid plans of mice and men often go awry" the meaning being that the best plans you have of the future, don't g..."

I agree with what you're saying. George and Lennie's plan of working and making a living on the ranch might not go exactly as they hoped it would.

@Anthony

I agree their relationship is one-sided.

2. I feel like it implies that Lennie is like a mouse, so innocent and oblivious to the world. He is timid and not very bright and can easily be taken advantage of by other humans. I think the fact that Lennie always accidentely is killing mice , "she stopped givin' 'em to ya. You always killed 'em", that it might be implying that something bad might happen to Lennie in the future.

3. Evidence: "Let the big guy talk." (p.25)
Commentary: Other workers, like Curley, encourage Lennie to speak for himself, instead of George. Though Lennie is just trying to follow George's wishes.

@Destiny

I agree. Their plans and ideas might not go the way they hoped.

4. DIDLS is used to get a good understanding of the texts that you are reading.

Destiny wrote: "2. "Of Mice and Men" comes from a poem by Robert Burns, the full prase is, " the best laid plans of mice and men often go awry" the meaning being that the best plans you have of the future, don't g..."

I agree with the meaning of the poem and the foreshadowing. Things for George and Lennie aren't gonna go as they planed especally when they start out on their new job.

1. I think that lennie and george are sorta like brothers george being the older serouis one while lennie is the little simple minded one.""Lennie!"he said sharply."lennie for god' sakes don't drink so much."The small man leaned over and shook him by the shoulder."Lennie.You gonna get sick like you was last night."
2.I can't really decide on what the title imply's.
no have not seen a hint of foreshadowing.
3.quotation:"so ya forgot awready'did you ? i gotta tell you again, do i?"response:Lennie has bad memory

4. DIDLS is a very useful source that betters our understanding of a text in alot of ways. With DIDLS we can easily work on finding certain things in the text instead of trying to obsorb all information at once. DIDLS helps us seperate all the different textual information that we didnt really know was there, the things you dont pay attention to or realize when you just read through something.

Anthony wrote: "1. George and Lennie have a one sided friendship but in that they both have a companian that will always be there. Lennie thinks that George is his friend but Lennie is more of a burden to George t..."

I agree, their relationship is onesided, but they know they can depened on each other.

@Baldemar

I agree, their relationship is unstable.

@Micheal, thats all the factual but there is definitely more to their relationship than just the facts.

@John, yea i didnt really think about it that way but yes george is always caught telling lennie whats wrong and whats right.

1. The two character's in the story have a special realationship. They fight with each other but they still have each others back. " Because... because I got you to look after me, and you got me to look after you, and thats why."

2. The title is from a poem called "To a Mouse" the title implies that something will happen to affect the characters in the story.

3. " Hide in the brush till i come for you. Can you remember that?" Lennie repeats this quote a lot through the story. i think he is impling that something wrong will happen and they will have to leave.

4. I think that when we use didls it helps us uderstand the meaning of the story and the key parts that matter.








1. The two character's in the story have a special realationship. They fight with each other but they still have each others back. " Because... because I got you to look after me, and you got me to look after you, and thats why."

2. The title is from a poem called "To a Mouse" the title implies that something will happen to affect the characters in the story.

3. " Hide in the brush till i come for you. Can you remember that?" Lennie repeats this quote a lot through the story. i think he is impling that something wrong will happen and they will have to leave.

4. I think that when we use didls it helps us uderstand the meaning of the story and the key parts that matter.

1.Lennie and George are two different people.George always gets mad at Lennie "I want you to stay with me,Lennie,Jesus Christ somebody'd shoot you for a coyote if you was by yourself" but later is nice to him. There relationship is like brothers. They have to live with each other.
2.It implyes that plans can change even though you think its right.It foreshadows that when they killed the mouse which made them fight "well,you aint petting no mice while you walk with me", even though it was not planned.

3.Quote- I want you to stay with me,Lennie. Jesus Christ somebody'd shoot you for a coyote if you was by yourself". Commentary - It shows that Georges and Lennies relationship is challengg.It shows imagery when he says to kill a coyote.Also it shows that George is a horrible person to Linnie.And that Lennie can be a litle dumb sometimes,but george has to put up with him.
4.DIDLS is used for Diction,Imagery,Details,Language,Syntax. It is beneficial beacuse it maked us look at each one different.There is a lot of contrast in any book.

@ Andres" Hide in the brush till i come for you. Can you remember that?" This is a very good quote it shows the full brotherely looking out love they had between each other.