Penny for Your Thoughts discussion

Okay, so since a lot of you were debating this in the Explanation topic, I moved it to 'Your Two Cents.'

If according to evolution we all evolved from germs - to fish - to other stuff - to monkeys - then does that mean in a couple of hundred years it will all start up agian?

nothing gonna happen in a couple of hundred years. And no, it wont happen all over again, coz we will still be evolving. Newer stuff will come up. But these things take much more time than a couple of hundred years, more millions of years...

Isairon wrote: "If according to evolution we all evolved from germs - to fish - to other stuff - to monkeys - then does that mean in a couple of hundred years it will all start up agian?"

-_- I suggest you get your facts straight before asking questions. AKA, go through a biology class. We do not de-evolve. Natural selection rules out lesser traits that are biologically unneeded. Due to ever growing science and medicine, we will probably never de-evolve. Also, we sprouted from cells/bacteria. Germs is a generalization.

'traits that are biologically unneeded' is something used to explain evolution to kids.
But it is not correct

Oh really? Without bringing in religion, explain.

Its wrong. I have no intention of bringing in religion, or to explain.
New traits are developed to adapt, and in the process conflicting traits are left out(but they are not unneeded. They just cant be accomodated)

You literally just said the exact same thing as me

uh..did I?

"Conflicting traits are left out."

That isn't the only thing conflicting.


What if Elivs never helped invent rock and roll? BAD STUFF.

What if people like Einstein gave up before they tried? WORLD DISASTER.

What if nobody invented HOT SAUCE????!!
We'd DIE of bland food.

Conflicting traits are left out, but they are not unnecessary. They just can't be accomodated. Balance has to be maintained.

Then how are they necessary? They're left out. -_-

Vishwarrior wrote: "nothing gonna happen in a couple of hundred years. And no, it wont happen all over again, coz we will still be evolving. Newer stuff will come up. But these things take much more time than a couple..."

That's kinda what i meant lol

GRR...
Your doctor advices you to eat 2 chocolates a day. Your purse can carry only one and you are going on a daylong trip in the middle of nowhere.
In such a case, 2 chocs are not unnecessary, they can't be accomodated.
(couldn't think of anything else :p)
You will learn it eventually in college. (and then you will say "hmph...Vish was right" :p:D)

Why do you think the flying fish can't fly?? Coz it can't accomodate those extra traits..

Vishwarrior wrote: "GRR...
Your doctor advices you to eat 2 chocolates a day. Your purse can carry only one and you are going on a daylong trip in the middle of nowhere.
In such a case, 2 chocs are not unnecessary, ..."

Why would the doctor do that....How BIG would thsoe chocs be lol...or how small would the purse be lol

i can't think of anything for these stuff so i'll comment on others - BEWARE MUWU HA HA!!!

Yea I know that was a 'clumsy' explanation. But then genetics and heredity are like that.
Again, we are spamming.

spamming....i don't eat it so i don't care lol....right i think someone will come and probably tell me off or delete my post but *shrugs* bored

i need to get something done but my friend isn't online....GAAAAHHHHH!!!!

Lol
You should respect that *someone*. She is the reason for this group.

sorry - i wasn't trying to be rude

just that i've got 12 mins and i need to get something done and - well i don't but i like to supervise - my friend still isn't online

Vishwarrior wrote: "GRR...
Your doctor advices you to eat 2 chocolates a day. Your purse can carry only one and you are going on a daylong trip in the middle of nowhere.
In such a case, 2 chocs are not unnecessary, ..."

-_- Eat one before you leave. Unfavorable traits are abolished. Happy?

Its too late to apologise...its too late ooOO...
Why Is there a time limit?

time li...oh i'm on the library computer instead of my home one right now

Lol that was funny Ivi. (your sense of humour, though rare, is admirable) :p
Yea I am happy...
In the end, you always make me happy...:)

Vishwarrior wrote: "Lol
You should respect that *someone*. She is the reason for this group."

*thanks*

Ever heard of vestigial traits? Those are things left over from evolution. Whales have leg nubs on their tales, as do snakes like pythons, indicating they once had feet. And although our appendix does some good, it's really unneeded, yet we still have it. If you want to start a debate about this, duke it out in the "For those who..." folder.

^^still needs an awesome title.^^

Magdalena (Maggie or Magtail) wrote: "Ever heard of vestigial traits? Those are things left over from evolution. Whales have leg nubs on their tales, as do snakes like pythons, indicating they once had feet. And although our appendix..."

It takes a while for things to die off.

I was just giving my two cents. It seemed to me that both of you were thinking the opposite.

^^Oh. Just realized. Hold on! NEW TITLE!

NEW TITLE! WHOO TITLETITLETITLETITLETITLE...

If my friend could read English, he'd say the first thing when he saw this. And I'd give him a nice, 30-second noogie.

Isairon wrote: "If according to evolution we all evolved from germs - to fish - to other stuff - to monkeys - then does that mean in a couple of hundred years it will all start up agian?"


ha ha.....really hilarious buddy!!!!!
it's like the germs upgraded and then the thing further upgraded like n times. so why the germs are still alive???
now someone could say like umm... half of them evolved, the rest stayed to be germs. then best of the half of the evolved species evolved again and again,, (leaving us a trail to study later).
then i would say.... let's take an example of chimpanzee turning human. now seeing that happen wouldn't other chimpanzees have scratched their asses out to do the same.

also the thing about evolution i heard is that rat's tail still grew after being cut for 21 generations. so either evolution is far too slow to be erased from the genetic memory or it is an incomplete concept. either way we came into the loops and became the only species to ask why enough times that origin of ourselves became questionable:)(??????)

:)

Um.... Pretend that I read that, and TOTALLY AGREE with your statement.

In reality, I just skipped to the word "Questionable" and had no clue until I read genetic memory/incomplete concept.

Ehm... could you, like, uh... put it shorter to people like me that are a little lazy to read? :D


That'd be great, thanks.

Hey: evolution takes thousands upon thousands of years, and adaptation is slightly different in that species adapt to their enviroment, though the unfavourable trait may not be as common, which would eventually lead to ridding of the unfavourable trait.

The rat tail example is not of evolution. Cutting off phenotypes do not alter the genotype-- meaning that if you were to cut off an arm for 21 generations and your genes still carry the trait for two arms, then you're children are gonna have two arms.

Some germs stayed the way they were because, oh, I don't know, it was required for the survival of evolving species as the planet developed? Or maybe they were just happy the way they were and are.

Hon, it's still up for debate where we came from, and chimps most likely evolved alongside us, but in different parts of the world, and our traits were better fitted for our habitat, and their traits to their habitats.

All play aside, I do highly recommend consulting a biology text book or wikipedia about genetics (including but not limited to: Natural Selection, adaptation, Gregor Mendel, genotypes and phenotypes, etc.). I'm sure you'd find it quite interesting.

Seriously, the basics of evolution is fairly simple, the complex part is the 'Why?'. And yet tons of people misunderstand/botch/don't believe in it.

Something is better than nothing.
But
In the case of knowledge, that something is called ignorance.
Whatever Ivy said is true, mostly. Still, what she said is the stuff taught to 13-14 year olds. Only the tip of the iceberg. Its much deeper than that.

Vishwarrior wrote: "Something is better than nothing.
But
In the case of knowledge, that something is called ignorance.
Whatever Ivy said is true, mostly. Still, what she said is the stuff taught to 13-14 year olds..."

...She has a better grasp of it than you from what I've seen.

Uhm...I'm wasn't debating against what she said, nor was I offending anyone. My point is that theres no point arguing about something we school children don't fully understand...yet.
Lol...I wasn't calling HER ignorant either.

Note: Vish, Iviana's nickname is Ivi (Ih-vee) not Ivy, just to let you know. There are some that call her Ivy, but those are rare. Like, ones that she allows.

*End of Note*

I hardly pay attention to school cirriculems anymore. With what enters your life that's supposed to enter later on, but kicks down the barrier and enters before, I can't focus.

Lol... I didn't know. I'll remember that. But she hasn't forbidden me yet. And 'Ivy' sounds nice.. :3

:)

Iviana (The Sign Painter) wrote: "Hey: evolution takes thousands upon thousands of years, and adaptation is slightly different in that species adapt to their enviroment, though the unfavourable trait may not be as common, which wou..."
you'r the first to call me "hon". thanks for that.

and i agree that germs will live on as they are the quickest reproducing ones with quickest adaptability.


i tried to read evolution page on wikipedia but it was all too confusing and boring(it gives you a load of crap about dna).
this was better--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline...

but what i was saying was that there is a huge intelligence and analytic capability gap between humans and any other species. suppose common ancestors of chimpanzee and human stood at a bifurcating road. so some went one way others on another. now, one road has humans but the other one still has the same chimpanzees(in terms of int). and fun fact is these chimpanzees never ever once again met another two way(i mean similar kind of evolution just at another point of time) and the humans too never left another species behind to live on like chimps.


also if going through the facts given on the page then only one species has shown noticeable evolution at one point of time. how can this be possible since evolution should be an open window supposed to open all the times for everybody.

but if you see it in this way it is kinda possible. say that if evolution be plotted on a graph against time, and then a change started occurring at the start, now at some point of time change in change occurred(d2x/dt2)[2 is sqr]. that means for the total change occurred in that period of time, this new change will be much more noticeable. so humans are simply dnx/dtn with n as the latest number in evolution. thus this change is the biggest noticeable thing to us(leaving other evolutionary traits minimal). now here is why i said evolution seems kinda incomplete concept. this function is a step function not a continuous one. why????

by step function i mean something at some point of time triggered the change. also if you think its a waste of time please write so.

For someone who can sound so smart, you lack basic grammar skills.

@Fautau Are you sure evolution can be expressed in terms of functions w.r.t time? That sounds strange. Even if they can be, a step function is really strange, coz we are continuously changing.

Nah..its not a waste of time. Just that proper language is essential in this group.

Oh gee, I wonder why there's so much "crap" about DNA in evolution.

I also wonder why people haven't quite taken you seriously yet (Rudyards wrote: "For someone who can sound smart, you lack basic grammar skills." The internet is not a kind place).

Your example confuses me. Chimps and humans may share a common ancestor; however, chimps did not start out as the chimps that we know today, nor did humans start out the way they are today. And then the rest of your paragraph I didn't quite get, because of the lack of good grammar that would easily be fixed in any grammar checking device.

It's not at one point in time. It's over billions of years. Also, the title of the page is "Timeline of human evolution." I wonder why it talks only about humans.

Evolution, like everything in existence, is flawed and distorted, much like maps. And like maps, we have to pick how we wish to render it, so when rendering we have to distort some ideas, like how you decided to render the concept of evolution on a graph instead of a timeline, thereby making it a lot more complicated than it already was. Also, a lot of concepts are incomplete. Like the Big Bang Theory. Like, where did that tiny ball of mass come from?

Ivi, you mentioned the other thing I was thinking about: DNA in evolution. That's one of major driving forces behind evolution, and skipping over it makes your knowledge incomplete.

^ exactly. Without genetics, evolution does not occur, no matter what you want to believe.

Aaannnnd, that's the point we have DNA.


I guess. Traits reoccur in evolution, right? But just how far can this go back with the generations? Let's say, being left-handed whereas your parents are both right-handed, and the only left-handed to be your great-great-great grandmother/grandfather. Just a hypothesis.