Debate discussion

views on this subject? I want other peoples ideas. I know some people on here have argued this subject with me to great extent, but I thought I'd have go again...

Pro-Choice. A woman should be able to decide whether she's going to destroy life that she's created or not.

Well (in most cases anyway) she chose to make that life. She didn't have to. So why create it just to destroy it?

Yes, of course I agree with it, but I'm trying to see it from the veiw of someone who doesn't. It is amazing how much proof there is that the baby is alive in the womb, and some people can't just wrap their minds around it or don't want to admit to it or w/e...

You have to put yourself into the woman's place. Okay, imagine that as a child you were adopted/put in foster care. And you hated it.
Now, imagine someone rapes you, and you become pregnant.
You don't have enough money to take care of the child. You don't want to put it up for adoption. You get an abortion.
And if we made abortions illegal, (which was done in the 80s) then women will just find much more dangerous ways to get rid of the unborn bundles of life in their wombs.
Imagine that you were pregnant because of an experimental drug, even. You never even wanted to have sex, so why should you have to have the child?
And if we do make abortions illegal, imagine the man who had sex with the woman. She has to have this child that she never wanted. And the man can just go and continue living his life. He has no responsibility. If a man can live without that responsibility, a woman should be able to too. That's just my view on the subject.

However, I wouldn't get an abortion. I would not let any friends or family get an abortion. Sometimes you just have to.

No, abortions are not right. But that does not mean that the government should make it against the law. They did do it in the 80s or 70s or something, and then a bunch of people still did it even though it was illegal.
Abortions aren't right, but that doesn't mean that people shouldn't be able to have them.

Oh, okay. 'cause some politicians want to make them illegal.
I think that a woman should still be able to decide whether or not to put another life into the world. In most cases they would.
The End.

But I know that if anyone I knew had a baby growing inside of them, they'd feel much guiltier after the abortion than if they had just given birth to the darn thing.

Okay. But a lot of people I know don't fit into the stereotype.
Well, I don't think either of us are going to get an abortion. Or give birth any time soon, so let's agree to disagree. Other people can state their opinions though.

"Yes, of course I agree with it, but I'm trying to see it from the veiw of someone who doesn't. It is amazing how much proof there is that the baby is alive in the womb, and some people can't just wrap their minds around it or don't want to admit to it or w/e... "

Clare, it's not like that. I am fully aware that the baby is alive, that it can feel things, etc. It's not like pro-choice people are totally ignorant of that.

Pro-lifers all seem to think that we pro-choice people are like, "Who cares about the baby? It's just a stupid little blob. Blah blah blah", like we're so stupid that we don't know the difference between an unborn baby and a potato.

BUT IT'S NOT LIKE THAT!!! I do not deny that the baby is alive. However, it has not experienced life like a human being who has already been born. It's a different kind of "life". Yes, the baby is literally alive. But it has no experience of the world to understand pain. It FEELS pain, but it doesn't really mean anything to it.

Secondly, I know that abortions are sad. Do I LIKE abortions? Would I ever get one? Would I want someone I know to get one? No.

But that is a PERSONAL CHOICE. The government can't tell women whether to keep their children or not. Just because you or I do not like abortions doesn't mean that we can tell all the women in the country what to do.

If a woman doesn't want a child, why should she go through nine months of pregnancy to give birth to it? There is a chance that she could change her mind after the baby is born, but it is just as likely that she won't be able to take proper care of the child. And the whole "Just put it up for adoption" argument doesn't work for me. Putting a baby up for adoption isn't easy; it's still an emotional thing. I mean, you're giving your child away forever. It's still hard.

And be as ignorant about it as you want, but the world is getting overpopulated. I know that's not the best argument here, but it is true.

The Bible aspect ... I'm just going to stay away from it.

As for that law ... I just don't understand it. I don't think it should exist in the first place.

What Riley said is also important. Sometimes women get raped. Or sometimes they make a mistake and things just ... happen. If you know what I mean. It's not fair to say, "Oh, you should learn your lesson." Cuz, well, being forced to give birth is a heck of a way to learn a lesson, don't you think?

Also, as Riley pointed out, women will only find more dangerous ways to kill unborn babies if abortion is made illegal. Yes, it's depressing, but you can't deny that there are people in this world who will kill their children. That's the way it is.

Okay. I'm done for now.

Thank you Brigid. You made what I was trying to say understandable.

Pro-Choice.
It should be legal because if not, we might have women dying from illegal abortions.
And the God part, if God wanted the baby to live he wouldn't let the abortion happen. There was this one time that a women tried 5x to get her baqby aborted and it didn't work, and that IS "god's work".

I don't think abortion is right.. but I think you should have your own Choice to get one.
And the fact that I don't like the idea of Abortion DOES NOT make me pro-life.

Sorry...

"oh yeah, sure. killing a baby is the same as giving the baby to a loving, caring, supportive family. wow... ITS NOT THE SAME!!!

and i mean, you didn't want it in the first place, so how would it be emotional?! giving it away is better than frickin KILLING it!"

Well, Kenna, you might want to take a chill pill yourself ... :-/

When did I say that putting it up for adoption was just as bad as killing it? I didn't say THAT, for crying out loud. Putting it up for adoption is better, yes. But still ... you carry the child around inside of you for nine months only to give it away to some stranger? Don't tell me you wouldn't be sad about that.

I think that I am pro-choice :-/ I feel like an outsider.

I'm pro-choice too, Seth.

I know, but lots of them aren't.

i know. well, at least you're not COMPLETELY alone. ;D

heehee nope im not :)

I am pro-choice for several reasons. I will start by tackling some of the Pro-Life arguements so as to make my side better heard and defended.

A)In response to those who believe that having an abortion is killing of a sentient being that has feelings and emotion, you are wrong. Abortions can be held weeks before the cell's (because that's really all it is) brain is even developed.

B) As for those that believe that a mother should love her child, it's just not possible in some conditions. If you or someone you knew was raped, do you think that the mother-to-be would want to carry the child of such a horrible person she has no ties to? How could she give birth and keep that child, living with the constant reminder of that dreadful day? Imagine what the child would feel like! Imagine being a bastard (fatherless child) all your life, and seeing the hurt in your mother's eyes when she looked at you.

C) As for those that claims Abortion is murder, and bring up the arguement that God said, "Thou shalt not kill", I have but one question.

Who are we to do the bidding of God? How are we the ones that are to carry out what God said, and what God alone should punish for? God is GOD for a reason! The moment we start to step in and try and fill his place, what does that make God? We should do our work, and our work alone. If there is a God, let him sort all of it out! Let him do the punishing towards the mother who killed her child!


Thank you all.

Rape and incest (EW!) should always be aloud to abort their child. There is no point even arguing that point with pro-life people. Rape is horrible and Incest garentees taht the child will be mentally challenged. Even pro life people have to agree with that.

hmm. interesting points.

that was for kenny ...

i would say more but i have to go now ...

Yes, but what would the child think? Would you be truthful and tell the child that he or she was the product of a raping? Would you spend your entire life lying to the child, telling them they had a father that died, or left?

How could you break that to a child? "Oh, by the way, you were never supposed to have been born. Your father raped me in a dark alley, and I couldn't kill you off, so I kept you"? How would that feel? Knowing you were the product of the most hideous crime?

I guess that's all we should ask for. But don't you think that other women and girls in the world should have the choice? Why would you condemn those that did not want their child? Why would you condemn those CHILDREN who weren't wanted?

To a life knowing that their real mother didn't want them for some reason (and that's assuming the mother put them up for adoption) or a death by some illegal manner, seeing as the mother could not provide for the child, or just plain didn't want it, yet couldn't be rid of it.

horror, sadness. all kinds of things. I think I am agreeing with Kennyon this one. Give them the choice. YOU can do whatever you want.

Thank you Seth. I always love a good arguement. None of this is personal by the way, Kenna. I just feel certain ways, we all do, and this is the way I express it.

I, prersonally (If I was a girl and could get pregnant) wouldn't abort my child.

I will discuss this another time, guys (and gals). Got to go!

I respect yours. But think about this. What if the mother didn't want to go through a horrible pain for something that wasn't even her fault? My sister just had a baby, and she said that the birth was HORRIBLE. (but she loves Brielle and I do too!)

bye

i hope you realized how offensive that it is. what if i knew someone who had chose to abort their child and you just said that they had no heart, huh? that could be considered crude, disrespectful and just plain devilish.

its not a matter of selfishness. think about the incest thing. would you want your child to be doomed to be mentally challenged?

Ok.. Kenna take this into consideration: A while a go this 12-year-old got p.g. Do you think it would've been heartless for her to get rid of the kid?

Ok.. so does that make you partially pro-choice??
And btw, you're right it is kind of a rare case and it doesn't happen to most 12yr olds(and her immediate family is kind of messed up http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abort... thats the article on it..that one was in Scotland,but it happened in Jacksonville 2)

That is not good! She is like a crazy maniac!

In that particular case, I would abort it. If I was as crazy as that i would hate myself and kill myself. She probably still talks to the dad and they probably take drugs together. She is still smoking with her baby! That baby probably doen't even WANT to be born!

well it wouldn't want to be born. that mom is gay and i hate her.

i meant like screwed up :P

haha. Seth, just be grateful that no one will ever rape you. And that you don't have to give birth. Us girls have it bad.

I would rather be aborted than to be raised with that for a family... if you can even call it that.

But you see! This is what I am talking about! We can't decide that!!! We just can't take into consideration what the parent or the baby might feel! We can't decide whether God approves or if he doesn't! We let the mother decide whether she wants to keep her baby! We let GOD decide whether abortion is wrong! This is what Pro-CHOICE is all about!! Can't you see?! People need the CHOICE!

This girl made her choice. Now we can see if it was the right one. And then she will see whether or not God approved of anything.

It's all about having the CHOICE! Pro-Choice!

Lol... IDK. I have hear of some pretty messed up guys in the world... O.J... M.J (ackson). Etc. McCain... LOL, Jk on the last one!

yay Kenny! I would elect you for president.

hmm I dunt know about that. But I beleive what you beleive about abortion.

Yay Seth! Wow, I'm saying yay a lot.

Kool. President Kenny James. ~ ~
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Pretty wicked. It has a ring to it. Lol, IDK about going that far.

lol. Maybe with a few years experience in the senate you'd be perfect!