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Abortion Topic 2
Abortion yes, is tragic. I'm with Obama on the fact that it shouldn't happen, and that no-one in their right mind is pro-abortion - But that we should focus on PREVENTING circumstances where a woman would have to make that horrid choice, rather than making it illegal and causing the death of thousands of woman through botched black-market and home abortions.Plus, there's the fact that in some cases, it would be crueler to bring a baby into the world then it would be to abort it.
It all sounds pretty resonable to me. Just a few of the quotes from that website that I 100% agree with and where my point came from:Reducing Unintended Pregnancy: Obama will work to reduce unintended pregnancy by guaranteeing equity in contraceptive coverage, providing sex education, and offering rape victims accurate information about emergency contraception.
"On an issue like partial birth abortion, I strongly believe that the state can properly restrict late-term abortions. I have said so repeatedly. All I've said is we should have a provision to protect the health of the mother, and many of the bills that came before me didn't have that."
"I think that most Americans recognize that this is a profoundly difficult issue for the women and families who make these decisions. They don't make them casually. And I trust women to make these decisions in conjunction with their doctors and their families and their clergy. And I think that's where most Americans are. Now, when you describe a specific procedure that accounts for less than 1% of the abortions that take place, then naturally, people get concerned, and I think legitimately so. But the broader issue here is: Do women have the right to make these profoundly difficult decisions? And I trust them to do it. There is a broader issue: Can we move past some of the debates around which we disagree and can we start talking about the things we do agree on? Reducing teen pregnancy; making it less likely for women to find themselves in these circumstances."
"[An abortion protester at a campaign event:] handed me a pamphlet. "Mr. Obama, I know you're a Christian, with a family of your own. So how can you support murdering babies?"
I told him I understood his position but had to disagree with it. I explained my belief that few women made the decision to terminate a pregnancy casually; that any pregnant woman felt the full force of the moral issues involved when making that decision; that I feared a ban on abortion would force women to seek unsafe abortions, as they had once done in this country. I suggested that perhaps we could agree on ways to reduce the number of women who felt the need to have abortions in the first place.
"I will pray for you," the protester said. "I pray that you have a change of heart." Neither my mind nor my heart changed that day, nor did they in the days to come. But that night, before I went to bed, I said a prayer of my own-that I might extend the same presumption of good faith to others that had been extended to me."
I think abortion is horrible, but I am pro-choice. I will say it a million times, and by the force of my will, I will talk you till you die if I have to. I am not going to cave in to those that irrationaly state that abortion is "Killing Babies".I think that the Government should make it legal for a woman to have one abortion, then everything after that would have to be accepted unless the woman was raped. Rape would be the only excuse for a second abortion. That would give a one-time excuse to those that are willing to live with their decission, and a limit so that those that didn't learn from their mistakes would have to live with them for the rest of thier life. That or adoption would be open...
"no-one in their right mind is pro-abortion"I agree. But there are many people in their right mind who are pro-choice
Nobody actually wants abortions to happen. And I see it this way:
Pro-lifers are trying to protect the baby.
Pro-choicers are trying to protect the woman growing the baby.
I'm not exactly a fan of the adoption system, tbh. I've heard of way too many people never getting adopted and then practically being thrown out on the streets when they turn eighteen, and way too many horror stories about kids being abused and murdered by foster-parents.
It dosen't happen to "very few", sadly. I've met happy foster kids, sure. But most of them have some emotional difficulties. And some are just outright suffering.
I'm just saying that adoption is not a miracle save to stop abortion, because it's not.I know it can be a great thing sometimes.
Yeah.If you never get the chance to live though, it's not like you'll know what you're missing. That's why I just don't see why abortion is looked at on the same-scale as murder.
What kind of outlook is that, Kenna? That's a horrible way of thinking, and I command you to stop even mentioning it! It's the harsh truth, but you can't go saying that around adopted kids have just been adopted. That will lead to suicide or running away. That is not what we want... If you spend all your time debating over a life just to have it kill itself, what's the point?
My post (21) was in accordance with 17.
Abortion is not killing because the baby never had a life. How can you call a baby living before delivery? You can't! You can't logically call somthing living before delivery because the delivery could go HORRIBLY wrong! That's what the saying "Counting Your Chickens Before They Hatch) refers to! You just can't do that!!!
Since when did you get here my blind buddy? That's lendle, peeps!
It really nice to adopt kids. Like the Ukranian kids that got adopted at my school
No it isn't! It could be jeapordized at any moment! Would you call it raining if the Clouds were just forming? NO! SEE?! it's the same thing!
Uhh.. .The UK kids at our school weren't going to be killed or abandoned. Their parents died...
No. They were already accepted, thus not being abandoned. DUH. And they went to adoption. So, everything worked out for them.
im leaning toward pro-choicebut im still not sure
I think pro-choice is the way to be, really. You can still be pro-life in the sense that you don't agree with abortion personally. It just means you have enough faith in woman to make the right decision.
It's all about having the Choice to do things in America. That's why we became our own seperate country in the FIRST place! That's why we had all those years of fighting! We are about choices! Some would say that abortion is taking away one more choice in the world. "When does the baby get to choose"? they will ask. When the baby lives, learns to talk so it can make choices, and becomes a documented, REAL person, then the baby can make the choice. It's like life-support. The Family makes the choice for the being in question, seeing as the being in question is unable to make the choice themselves. Abortion does the same thing: The baby can't make the choice, so the mother does. End of story. No debate. That's a Choice, so it should be legal.
No responding comment? No arguing? FINE! Be that way!!!
well choice and equal opportunity which one are we going to support?
But it's not the baby's choice to die, it's the mother's choice!What if (hypothetically) your mother decided one day that she didn't want you? She has the CHOICE to kill you, so she takes it, without giving you a say in the matter. You're saying you support that?
How can he (Obama) work to reduce unintended pregnancies? If you're supposed to get pregnant, you're going to. Offering classes on 'sex is wrong until you're married' and 'don't have sex just to have it' isn't going to help anyone. We already have those things, adding more of them isn't going to help anyone.
saying No just makes stupid high schoolers want to do it morebut reverse psychology won't work either
what pro-choice is saying is that babies are incapable of making choices
and parents make choices for kids all the time too
just thought id point that out
Hmm...maybe high schools should make it mandatory for you to wear those steel undies....jk jk jk don't do that, it'll make em want to do it more!
would you rather kill a baby or get an abortion?oh, wait. oh never mind. THEY ARE THE SAME!
Kenzie and Diana, I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Abstinence only education has had a high success rate where it is implemented. They did a study with a group of girls, and took half of the group for abstinence only education. the girls were at least twice as likely to abstain until marriage, and also multiple times less likely to do drugs, alcohol and underage smoking.
And Kenny, I cannot think of one single person I know who would have been fine with it if their mothers decided to have them torn apart limb from limb before they could make comprehensive decisions.***It's crueler to let me live in an imperfect world than to just kill me? Twisted morals..***
Also, what make you think people who don't have their own voices can be killed off at their family's discretion. I find it imperative to quote two pieces of literature I have found often are profaned and ignored by the very people who fancy the dreams are more realized by them than their forefathers:
"Liberty and Justice for All."
"The rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." (Listed in order of importance.)
To Post #40:I stated that Abortion is like Life-Support. I would agree with my mother choosing to get rid of me IF (and only IF) I was at a stage that I could not make the choice myself, and had no one else to make a different choice for me. At this point in my life (for if you are implying that she chose to kill me now...) I am perfectly capable of deciding whether or not I should be apart of this world.
Justice: Is it not Just for you to be able to get rid of a baby that you never wanted? Is it not JUST for you to get rid of a child that a rapist FORCED you to have?I personally, as a person that thinks of himself as a father-in-the-future, would admit that if my wife were raped, and became pregnant, I would not be able to father the child with love, care, and relationship that I would show to a child of OUR choice, and OUR genes.
I personally think that it would be fine if my mother didn't want me while I was an undeveloped fetus. You wanna know why? It's cuz it wouldn't matter! I wouldn't care one way or the other, cuz I wouldn't be here to make a call! I couldn't judge, cuz I didn't have a brain to make a judgment!
Yes, you WOULD have a brain by that time. An unborn baby is NOT, I repeat, an unborn baby is NOT a blob of tissue. Guess how old the baby is:http://www.priestsforlife.org/resourc...
12 weeks.
Since when is it "just" to take someone's life?
Stephen Hawking. He's paralyzed, and yet he found a way to convey his ideas, such as HAWKING RADIATION. Don't underestimate the value of human life.
basically you're saying the child may have potential and it would be sad to waste it all right?i agree, like w/ Beethoven
a lady has 8 children and all are mentally retarded or sick in some way
now that lady has is pregnant again
if you think she should get an abortion, you just killed Beethoven
That is a wonderful thing. Beethoven was a remarkable instance that we must all admit has only happened once every 100 years or so. If you counted all of the Mentally challenged successors in the world, or all of the Near-Stillborns in the world, you would have enough fingers to count them all with, with some to spare! Beethoven is amazing not only for his wonderful music, but also because his wonderful circumstances. He made it to the top, starting out as a lowly peasant-like child. That's another reason why they say Obama is so special. He started out at the bottom and went all the way to the top. The American Dream... Wonderful.
READ THIS YOU DARN PRO-LIFE'S!!!!!85 PERCENT OF TEEN PARENTS END UP COMMITTING SUICIDE EVENTUALLY!
AND 52% OF CHILDREN WITH SUCIDAL PARENTS GET INTO DRUGS AND DIE FROM OVERDOSE!!!
IF ABORTION WERE ILLEGAL YOUNG GIRLS GETTING RAPED BY THEIR FATHERS WOULD BE FORCED TO CARRY HIS BABY. AND THEIR FATHER WOULD MOST LIKELY TRY AND GET RID OF THE PROBLEM BY KILLING THEM AND THE BABY!!!
IF ABORTION WERE ILLEGAL YOUNR WOMEN, AND RAPE VICTIMS WOULD BE GOING INTO THE STREETS TO GET DANGEROUS AND UNSAFE ONES!
OUR ANCESTORS, THE WOMEN OF THIS COUNTRY FOUGHT SOOO VERY HADR FOR THE RIGHT TO VOTE, THE RIGHT TO BE EQUAL THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE, AND NOW ITS THE IGNORANT WOMEN OF TODAY WHO WANT TO ERASE EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAD EARNED FOR US!!!!! THAT IS WHATS TRULY DISGUSTING! WOMEN STARTED OUT WITH JUST ONE PURPOSE:
MAKE BABIES, AND TAKE CARE OF THEM. NOW WE GO TO IVY LEAUGE SCHOOLS AND RUN FOR PRESIDENT!!! WE FOUGHT TOO LONG AND TOO HARD FOR YOU GUYS TO WANT TO THROW IT ALL AWAY!
SUCK ON THAT FIONA.
Chandani, I would appreciate knowing where you got those statistics. Could it be Planned Parenthood?
chill chadanifirst, cite your sources plz :)
all im saying is that the stupid teens who have sex because it's cool and get pregnant should have the baby as punishment if we HAVE to
and plus, im not sure if the woman was Star Jones, but someone like that, admitted she had 20 abortions so far in her life
No matter how unperfected protection it, this CAN'T be happening!
But how would you like to be a "Punishment"? Would you like to see your parents hating you for being the mistake they couldn't correct?As for the 20 abortions, that is sick. That is someone who doesn't care about what they are doing. I would feel bad about aborting a child, but I still would choose it if I felt it was proper. I just think that someone should be allowed one abortion, then if they are pregnant again, the only way to get rid of that fetus is to be a Rape-Victim. That's it. One shot, then it's your life, your choice, and your problem.
message 48"Justice: Is it not Just for you to be able to get rid of a baby that you never wanted? Is it not JUST for you to get rid of a child that a rapist FORCED you to have?
I personally, as a person that thinks of himself as a father-in-the-future, would admit that if my wife were raped, and became pregnant, I would not be able to father the child with love, care, and relationship that I would show to a child of OUR choice, and OUR genes."
so technicaly, HITLER could say
"Justice: Is it not Just for you to be able to get rid of a person that you never wanted? Is it not JUST for you to get rid of a person that CHOOSED to live here?
I personally, as a person that thinks of himself as a cleanser-in-the-future, would admit that if my country had handicapts, and we exept them as people, I would not be able to clean the country of defects, different race, and joy that I would show to a handicapt OUT of the country."
ARGHHH!!!!!!!!I DO NOT LIKE ABORTION. I RESPECT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THE FLIPPING CHOICE!!!! JEEZ YOU GUYS PISS ME OF SO FRIGIN MUCH!!!
HOW CAN YOU GUYS JUST SPIT ON AND DISRESPECT ALL OF THE HARD WORKING WOMEN WHO FLIPPING DIED TO BE ABLE TO CHOSE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR BODY?!
Some of you guys talk about how obama will strip this nation of its rights. Well you sit here talking about how we should just forget how hard our grandmothers, and great grandmothers worked, so that WE this generation, can have a brighter futer than they did.
Ughh i am so pissed off at all of you right now.
And i got the statistics from an abortion site yes, but would that make them untrue?
we're just making sure you just didn't go and make them upit isn't anything personal
and we should control it a little
like that 20 abortions example
no one gets raped 20 times (or at least it's VERY rare)
there should be some sort of control on the abortion thing or people will just be like that lady
maybe even 30 abortions someday if we don't control it in some way
Uhhh, Eric, Hitler died a while ago... Didn't you get the memo? Tell the Jews in your neighborhood to come out of the basment closet now... It's all over. Has been for JUST a little while.Hitler didn't use the same tactics that I am using now. AND I am not working to kill something that has already taken a breath of air, contributed to the country they live in, or affected the community. I am saying we should get rid of the FETUS, not the human, BEFORE it gets to do all of those things. And the statistics tell you just a little bit about how things work out for under-age pregnancies. Not too pretty wouldn't you say?
Yeah, I do, but I personally believe (warning, I'm in my God mood.) that when a baby is miscarried/aborted/stillborn, God will put the baby back on Earth somehow, know what I mean?
You wouldn't think very highly of them, would you?
Now, what would you think of someone who said, "Oh, I wouldn't do that, but if someone wants to, they can"?
Sick pigs, huh?
Well, believe it or not, that's what abortion is!
I know.
Isn't it a shock that abortion, of all things, is bad???