If I Die discussion

Guys! I just had this thought and I don't want to in any way cause a fight over it.
I was watching TVD and heard the part where Klaus says 'the little impulsive vampire, in love with his brother's girl' and it made me think of the relationship between Kaylee/Nash/Tod. if you think about it Nash kind of is Stefan, while the Grim Reaper could easily be seen as the crazy vampire.
Of course the two stories are completely different, I just thought the love triangle was similar so I wanted to share the idea with you guys.

I do not think so only because Tod was never bad. He is a reaper because he was a good guy. Interestingly, I just read on Rachel's blog yesterday that she does not see them as a triangle. I do.

But Delphina, Damon is not completely bad. I mean, he was the good guy when they turned vamps. Stephan was the bad one. Damon is just misunderstood, lol. The love triangle between brothers in TVD is the only one I don't mind. In any other story, such as in If I Die, it's sort of irksome.
Now, I don't know what Rachel considers a love triangle then. There are two guys in love with the same girl and she first liked one to then fall for the other. To me that is a love triangle. I guess it will no longer be a love triangle in the new book because Kaylee made her decision (I hate when the heroine keeps going back and forth).

Michelle wrote: "But Delphina, Damon is not completely bad. I mean, he was the good guy when they turned vamps. Stephan was the bad one. Damon is just misunderstood, lol. The love triangle between brothers in TVD i..."

I guess I could see Nash as a parallel for either brother because of the things he has done, but Tod really always was just a good guy. He can be annoying, but I can not think of anything he did that was mean spirited or bad.

I agree that I think of them as a triangle. She said something along the lines of that even though Tod loved her for a long time she never knew and she was pretty much done with Nash and desperately clinging to him even though they were really not truly together after everything that happened. I hope she stays with him instead of a back and forth deal. She is dead now, so that should make things interesting.

sShe seemed to hint that Sabine/Kaylee/Nash were the actual triangle.

Delphina wrote: "Michelle wrote: "But Delphina, Damon is not completely bad. I mean, he was the good guy when they turned vamps. Stephan was the bad one. Damon is just misunderstood, lol. The love triangle between ..."

I know what you mean about Tod. I was just kidding. I just love Damon too much, even with his many flaws. I like Tod, better than I like Nash actually (and not because Rachel ruined his character and turned him into a junkie). Tod just had a better personality. I still have to read the reaper novella. I think my beef is mainly with Kaylee. I think she is an extremely irritating girl.
And there was definitely a triangle going on there between Sabine/Nash/Kaylee. But I would hate to see Nash ending up Sabine. If Kaylee and Nash were wrong for each other, Nash and Sabine together is a case for the psychiatric ward. Talk about codependency.

I love Damon, too.

Actually I could not agree more about Kaylee. She does such dumb things. I just want to yell at her half the time.
I never really liked Nash that much, to begin with. I am not sure why. He always just rubbed me the wrong way. Now in my experience, when that happens they are the one to get the HEA hehehe.
Tod, on the other hand, I found quite funny from the beginning. Annoying, but in a cute way. After reading Reapere, I loved him even more.
Sabine and Nash together would be a lifetime (probably a very short one)
of self destruction. That relationship is toxic on it's best day.

I most defenitely agree regarding Nash and Sabine's relationship being freaking toxic if they got together again. Codependency at it's worst. Seriously it's like she needs him there just to wipe her ass. She needs to get over her obsession and move the hell on, for everyone sake, especially Nash's.

Jessie wrote: "I most defenitely agree regarding Nash and Sabine's relationship being freaking toxic if they got together again. Codependency at it's worst. Seriously it's like she needs him there just to wipe he..."

I wouldn't mind if she died a terrible death. She annoys the bejesus out of me. I only liked her when she gave Kaylee lip service because Kaylee is a whining brat. lol

Michelle wrote: "Jessie wrote: "I most defenitely agree regarding Nash and Sabine's relationship being freaking toxic if they got together again. Codependency at it's worst. Seriously it's like she needs him there ..."

She annoys the hell out of me to, and Nash pisses me off because he practically babies her.

Jessie wrote: "Michelle wrote: "Jessie wrote: "I most defenitely agree regarding Nash and Sabine's relationship being freaking toxic if they got together again. Codependency at it's worst. Seriously it's like she..."

Yeah! WTF Nash! His attitude towards Sabine pissed me off more than his drug addiction.

Amen to that! I was just saying on a previous post that his creepy "just friends" relationship with pyscho Sabine is just ridiculous, I mean who is he kidding? Plus I wonder what Nash would have done if it would have been Sabine in Kaylee's shoes in If I Die? I have an inkling he wouldn't have sat on his ass and whined about like he did with Kaylee. Gosh those two piss me off, makes me love Tod even more!

Jessie wrote: "Amen to that! I was just saying on a previous post that his creepy "just friends" relationship with pyscho Sabine is just ridiculous, I mean who is he kidding? Plus I wonder what Nash would have do..."

You are so right. He would not have been a whiny fool. He would have been a man of action. I say man, but who are we kidding, he is a boy.

I hate the idea of Sabine and Nash together, they're too destructive. Sabine is just awful, she can dish it out but she can't take it.. she considers Kaylee a friend but she'd stab her in the back to get her own way. Nash is worse than Sabine, if he really loved Kaylee he wouldn't have let Sabine treat Kaylee so badly.. I mean Nash is the only one Sabine will listen too, but he does nothing when she's causing Kaylee so much grief.
I couldn't believe how angry Nash was at Kaylee at the end of If I Die because she 'betrayed' him.. WTF?! you'd think he'd be happy that the girl he supposedly loves isn't dead and gone but no he just feels sorry for himself and shouts at her when she just DIED!.. and he makes her feel guilty.. FGS she was forced to write that email or her cousin and best friend would have been killed.. she did nothing wrong.. anyone would have done the same.. but Nash doesn't even want to know the reason behind it. I swear if Kaylee apologises and asks for Nash's forgiveness for incriminating him in Before I wake, I'll scream.. all she should do is explain why she had to frame him, nothing more, he should understand the situation she was put in..after everything she's been through she doesn't need Nash trying to make her feel guilty for that.. if Nash was in that position he would have done the same. I hope Sabine gets over her obsession with Nash.. it's unhealthy and pathetic.. and Nash needs to stop thinking the world revolves around him and his problems.

The sad part is that even if I wanted to give excuses for Nash, it's plain obvious that he doesn't love her enough. If he did, he wouldn't have done all those things to Kaylee.
Because even though I like Tod more, I don't want Nash to be with Sabine and them getting a happy ending (only because I don't like the main character losing her [ex]boy to someone else). But after all I've seen, so far Sabine is the only one Nash has been faithful to and that breaks my heart. :/

Ferdy wrote: "I hate the idea of Sabine and Nash together, they're too destructive. Sabine is just awful, she can dish it out but she can't take it.. she considers Kaylee a friend but she'd stab her in the back ..."

That is a topic that I don't know if I can have unbiased opinion because I really, really, don't like Kaylee. She is one those characters that get under my skin because of her need to save the world no matter what happens to those around her. (Please don't throw stones at me, lol). I put myself in Nash's shoes and I can't blame him for being pissed at her (she was the one who decided to take him back, nobody forced her), and when she had only one week left to live, she decided she was going to spend most of her free time trying to save the world, again. Nash is a normal teenager boy, he doesn't have that inner hero calling, so he didn't get Kaylee's reasons. And after being ignored by your dying girlfriend you see her kissing your brother? Well, I don't think there would a guy in the universe who wouldn't be angry at that. Everything sort spiraled down hill after that with his drug relapse and the fake murder accusation. So I sort got his point (besides, everyone who gives Kaylee lip service gets bonus points with me, lol).
I believe the relationship between Nash and Kaylee was unbalanced from the beginning. Kaylee's self esteem problems was one of the main reasons for it. She didn't believe a guy like Nash could like her, so she didn't trust him. You know that you can't have a relationship without trust. Nash has a weak personality, so he needs someone to take the reins in the relationship (something he only experienced with Sabine). I don't think I will enjoy this series if Rachel doesn't give Nash a healthy relationship (sans Sabine).

Maybe he'll end up with Emma. LOL.

Elena wrote: "Maybe he'll end up with Emma. LOL."
Sadly, if she grows up a little they actually could be a decent couple.

Delphina wrote: "Elena wrote: "Maybe he'll end up with Emma. LOL."
Sadly, if she grows up a little they actually could be a decent couple."

I like Emma ;)

I think Emma and Nash would make a good couple.

But that wouldn't happen. Emma would respect Kaylee and stay away from Nash if anything like that did come up. Spoiler. In my soul to lose, Emma was planning on humiliating Kaylee's ex (before she ever met Nash) for dumping Kaylee before a dance. Emma would have her back. She is Kaylee's best friend,

Janie wrote: "But that wouldn't happen. Emma would respect Kaylee and stay away from Nash if anything like that did come up. Spoiler. In my soul to lose, Emma was planning on humiliating Kaylee's ex (before she ..."

True, but if Kaylee is truly happy with Tod and she and Nash work out a decent relationship, and Kaylee gives her blessing, Emma could go down that path. It is a lot of ifs.

Michelle wrote: "Jessie wrote: "I most defenitely agree regarding Nash and Sabine's relationship being freaking toxic if they got together again. Codependency at it's worst. Seriously it's like she needs him there ..."

She really is a whiny brat at times.

Plus it's not like Nash dumped Kaylee. She decided she was better off with Tod, so that's different. Though I was joking about Emma, didn't think you'd take it seriously, haha. But it is a possibility, come to think of it. I'm a genius.

Elena wrote: "Plus it's not like Nash dumped Kaylee. She decided she was better off with Tod, so that's different. Though I was joking about Emma, didn't think you'd take it seriously, haha. But it is a possibil..."

Lol, I knew you were joking Elena. But it's not a bad outcome at all ;)

I agree. I was re-reading If I Die and I realized it reminded me of TVD. It's completely different, yet it has a few similar qualities.

And about Sabine, I think Nash needs someone like that in his life, someone who needs him without pause. Now I think that because Kaylee needed him, really needed him when he first met her and the fact that she's a bean sidhe is why Nash fell in love with her in the first place. And while Kaylee needs people in her life now, she doesn't need them the same way she did back in book 1. She came into her own and can now pretty much handle herself. She needs people's help but she doesn't need people to hold her hand like she needed in book 1. (Well, she does, but it's different.) While I think that's part of what Tod loves in her, Nash can't deal with that.

Then there's Sabine who, while mostly confident and independent, will always need Nash in that desperate, I need you with me 24/7 way. And that's what he needs.

And I think ms. Vincent acknowledges the Sabine/Nash/ Kaylee triangle, but not the Nash/Kaylee/Tod triangle. Maybe because Tod never actively pursued Kaylee. He gave her hints, but he never confronted her.

But Sabine has been very honest about where she stood when it came to Nash. And actually, I started out hating Sabine, but she's sort of starting to grow on me. She has her own warped moral code and logic, she's not just pure evil and I respect that.

You can't expect Sabine to work with Kaylee on everything. I think she likes Kaylee and would avoid hurting her now if she could. But that doesn't make them friends. She still likes teasing Kaylee because it's in her nature and she knows it pisses Kaylee off.

The truth is that I think Sabine would back off if she thought Kaylee was better for Nash than she could ever be. But she doesn't. And if she doesn't agree with something Kaylee's doing she'll oppose her. But I think she's come to respect Kaylee at least a little bit.

I also agree about Nash. I'm not as angry at him anymore. He doesn't get Kaylee and I don't think he ever did. He just humored her because I think he does love her in his own way. Tod gets Kaylee and she gets him. They understand each other so well it's eerie. They're pretty much the same kind of animal, both selfless beyond belief, both stubborn and determined and both loving unconditionally and completely (once they do).

The only difference is that Tod, because of everything he's been through, his personality and especially the reaper and eternal thing, has lost some of his humanity. He's still all those things he was before but at the same time he's adopted a "The end justifies the means" principle. Once he decides to help someone, he doesn't care who gets hurt whether it be him or others. He doesn't play by any rules but his own, even more so than Kaylee does. But Kaylee tries to keep others from getting hurt in her escapades. She usually fails, but that's beside the point.