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I am choosing the test prep piece "Neighbors," to compare to the Outsiders. I think that "Neighbors," best compares to the Outsiders because of the relations between the Socs and the greasers. They are both separated by the FENCE, that is stated in the poem of "Neighbors." The Socs do not know much about the greasers, nor do the greasers know anything about the Socs. For example, in the poem it states that this one side is theirs and the other side is mine. This is similar to the Socs and greasers, because they separate themselves by where they are form. They separate themselves by West Side or East Side. Dally even states that if they are to win this rumble, the Socs will stay out of their side forever, or at least for a while any way. Another example would be from the line in the poem that states keep your bikes on your own side. It show or represents that the greaser or Socs don't want each other to be on one another's side. Which is why they are fighting a rumble, so they could leave each other alone. Cool first time being first.
The poem “Neighbors” by Michael Spooner compares to the book The Outsiders. The poem compares to The Outsiders because they both have something to do with the division of people; whether it is a physical thing/trait or an emotional thing that is separating them. An example from the poem “Neighbors” is in the first stanza when it states, “FENCE/ to tell the neighbors/ that that side’s you / this side’s me.” This shows that, in this poem, there is a physical thing separating two different groups of people (or neighbors, in this case). Another example from this poem would also be in first stanza when it says, “(keep your bikes on your own side)”. This shows that this fence is symbolizing a sense of division. To keep something to yourself because you don’t want it is something very personal that physically, and emotionally, separates people. An example from the book The Outsiders that shows that it has to do with the division of people is the grouping of the Socs and the Greasers. This proves that two groups have been grouped based on some sort of limitations that some Greasers lack such as money, looks, girls, etc. Thus, the poem “Neighbors” by Michael Spooner compares to The Outsiders because they both have something to do with the division of people.
The poem "Neighbors" by Michael Spooner is similar to "The Outsiders" by S.E. Hinton and can be compared. Both the Poem and the book are about separating people from the other people. In the outsiders the greasers are separated from the Soc's and just like in the poem the fence separates both sides. Each side is represented by the people on it. The Outsiders have their own land and so do the Soc's. In the Poem the author has his side his Neighbor has his side. The land separating shows the people separating and not coming together but staying away from each other.Both the Outsiders and the poem Neighbors show how their are sides and each side represents their own thing.
I think the poem "Pygmalion" compares to The Outsiders because Higgins did not treat Liza fairly, was not considerate of her feelings and did not care what she had to say. This relates to the Outsiders because the Socs treat the greasers the same. For example when Higgins said "Oh no, I don't think so. Not any feelings that we need bother about. Have you, Eliza?" This shows that Higgins does not care about other peoples feelings. Another example is that Eliza has no parents. This relates to The Outsiders because Johnny has no parents either.
The piece, "Neighbours" compares to the Outsiders. I think so because the Greasers and Socs have a similar relationship to the message depicted in "Neighbours." For example, in the piece "Neighbours," its saying that everyone's divided or separated by a simple fence. For example They don't share anything, and to be honest the piece kind of suggests that both sides dislike each other. Much like the Socs and Greasers. They aren't really separated by much, they just live on different sides of town. But in the piece, the two sides are segregated by a fence. For example, in the piece it says "that side's you/ this side's me." It's basically saying how fine the lines of territory are marked, just like in the Outsiders. The Greasers have their own territory, as do the Socs.
The test prep piece that i choose that compares to "The Outsiders" is "Neighbors". I think that the poem "Neighbors" and The Outsiders compare to each other because they both are saying to each other to stay on their own sides and keep off. For example in the poem it tells them to "keep your bikes on your own side" it's saying that they shouldn't trespass onto the neighbor's property and not to go around it. This shows that the neighbor that is saying this doesn't want to share space or that they will never get along next to each other. This compares to the book because in the book "The Outsiders" the Greasers and the Socs live in the same town and have their own turfs so that they don't cross over onto the wrong place. Another example is in the book "The Outsiders". In "The Outsiders the Socs and Greasers separate themselves in school, outside of school, and when hanging out; by having the interfere with one another it would cause a huge problem. By having Bob and Randy go on the Greasers turf Bob had to get killed when the two gangs collided. In the poem it also shows us that neighbors separate themselves by putting up fences to show which side belongs to who. In the poem when it states "that side's you/this side's me" it's saying that even neighbor's have their own turfs/property and they don't cross over onto another. This shows us that while two groups or a pair of neighbor's may have their own space a collision of them isn't good. *In The Outsiders - Bob got killed when they collided
*In the Neighbors poem - one of the neighbor's got mad and wrote this poem to show his/her angry
I read Neighbors and Pygmalion. I think that the piece Neighbors relates to the Outsiders in a lot of ways. One is the Greasers relationship with the Socs. The Greasers and Socs live in the same town but are separated by a "fence" which is a park dividing the east and west sides. When the poet says "that side's you/this side's me" he's shows a sense of separation between the two sides. The Greasers and the Socs are also separated by a economic "fence" that is also demonstrated in Pygmalion. Liza is very poor dirty like the Greasers and Professor Higgins is very rich and classy like the Socs. The Socs never try to make the Greasers fancier or classier, but the economic barrier is shown in both pieces. The pieces all compare to one another because of the separation of two different economic status' of people, gangs, or sides of fences
I am comparing the test prep piece "Neighbors" with the "The Outsiders". The way both texts compare is that one example shows how the way Greasers and Socs are split apart. Their different territory's are different like the Greasers are on the East Side and the Socs are in the West Side. It is similar to the poem how the poem says "That side's you/ this side's me." This shows how both texts are giving the message that this is where you belong and this is where I belong. Another example shows how the Greasers and the Socs don't want anything to do with each other, they don't find any reason why they should get along. They don't see what they have in common because they are both completely different groups of people. Similar to the poem that says "Some people like to put up a fence". That doesn't seem so important but it means how some people don't want other people to go into their land. With the book the Greasers and the Socs just want to simply separate themselves from each other. This shows how both texts share the message of how some people want to be separate from other people.
Neighbors relates to The Outsiders in a unique way. In neighbors it shows that a fence divides two people which is basically isolating yourself. In The Outsiders there are the greasers and there are the Socs. There is a wall between them and they don't get along well. In The Outsiders one of the greasers sees a Soc and tells them that they are on the wrong turf and in neighbors it says this side is mine and this side is yours which shows that there is a division between 2 people. It also shows a sense of hostility towards the other person, putting a fence up and all. Another example is kind of how in the poem how they are 2 different properties and the greasers have their own little hang out. This shows that Neighbors and The Outsiders are alike in certain ways.
I am comparing "Outsiders" by S.E. Hinton to the poem "Neighbors" by Micheal Spooper. In both the poem and the book they are against the idea of separation. The line, gate and title that separates people instead of coming together as one. For example in the poem they say "a ragged row of curbing stems...of vining twines and branching tangles" and this shows that the author feels free and able to spread its self all over without having to be told this is not your territory or you don't belong here. That is the same with Ponyboy. He wishes there wasn't separation between the greasers and socs and that everyone can get along. Then in the poem and the book there is a sense that they have both been involved in separation between two different or groups and having to stay on their territory. For example in the poem they say "to tell the street where the street should be to tell the neighbors that sides you that sides me. This shows the author has been in an even where he was told you have to stay on your side and i stay on mine. now in the book whenever the greasers go into soc "territory" there is instantly a problem and it breaks out into a fight. The greasers have to stay on their side and the socs have stay on theirs or there will be a problem.
The poem "Neighbors" relates to the book The Outsiders the most. "That side's you/ this side's me." This poem also talks about a fence that separates people on the other side. The fence divides the east and west side. To the greasers, the other side would be the Socs. The greasers and the Socs are different groups because of their traits and how they live. Socs have a lot of money, have bigger houses, better looks, and better everything. Greasers have less money, has poor education and don't have the good looks. This separates and shows the differences between these two groups. They are not able to get along and communicate well.
I picked "Neighbors" for the Goodreads homework. Neighbors is related to "The outsiders" because each neighbor has a fence. The fence divides the yard equally. In The Outsiders the socs and the greasers are divided. The Socs lives on the west side and the greasers live on the east side. If the fence wasn't in one of there yards the two neighbors will have an argument about which side belongs to who. In the book Socs and greasers don't get along that is why there is a fence between them. If the Socs and Greasers were together a bunch of people will be in the hospital. Any the greasers will probably have little land.
I think that the Poem Neighbors relates to The OUtsiders the most. I think this is because both the poem and the book have restrictions that have to do with territory. In the poem, Neighbors, the territorial possession was litteral whereas in the book it was more metaphorical. In the poem the author states how he does not like things on his lawn or on his property. In the book the territory is distinct due to society's rules, greasers on the east side and soc's on the west.
The poem Nneighbors" by Micheal Spooner relates to the "Outsiders". I think that" Nighbors" compares to the "outsideers" because they both have something to do with the seperation of people; whether it is an emotional thing that is separating them or a physical trait -Nanako. One example from this poem would also be in first stanza when it says, “(keep your bikes on your own side)”. This shows that this fence is symbolizing a sense of division just like in the "Outsiders". To keep something to yourself because is being anti- social therefore creating a sense of separation. Another example from the poem “Neighbors” is in the first stanza when it states, “FENCE/ to tell the neighbors/ that that side’s you / this side’s me.” This shows that, in this poem, there is a physical thing separating two different groups of people ( neighbors).
I think the poem neighbors relates to The Outsiders. I think that because, Neighbors is about a fence separating people. In The Outsiders there is a social barrier separating the Soc's and the Greasers. In The Outsiders, the greasers want to break that "fence" of barrier. The fence is split up between the east and the west. That is why they are always rumbling. The west is the soc's and the east is the west.
I picked " Neighbors" for the poem that is similar to the Outsiders. This was picked because it talked about how there can be sides of eachother. Also, a person can have people on his side with him. Ponyboy has people from the greasers on his side. The characters in The Outsiders have to do with the poem " Neighbors" as well.
The piece I chose to compare the Outsiders is to Pygmalion test prep story. I fell that Eliza and Johnny both have similar backgrounds which they both share together in their stories. For example: Eliza is like Johnny because they wanted to turn their lives around to become a better person.
Eliza is a young woman who was a poor flower seller that was a lowlife,who does not speak with proper grammar, and has poor manners. As Mr. Higgins says to Mrs. Pierce, "What's to become of her if I leave her in the gutter?" Mr. Higgins is telling Mrs. Pierce how he wants to try and experiment on this poor young girl and change her by dressing her well,teaching her manners,and teaching her to speak with proper grammar. He is giving her the opportunity to become somebody or she can always go back to the way she was. It is really all up to her to make that decision.
Johnny is a kid who joined the gang called,"the greasers". He grew up with a father who is an alcoholic and his father was never around. He wanted to be a part of something so he joined the gang that made him feel like he belongs to somewhere. What had also made him feel more a part of something was him saving some kids from the church fire and was brave enough to go inside the burning fire.
I am comparing the realistic fiction novel The Outsiders with the scene from the realistic play Pygmalion. There are several similarities between The Outsiders and the scene Pygmalion. For example, in The Outsiders, the heroes are lower class boys. In Pygmalion, the heroine is a lower class woman. Being lower class means that they are not accepted by classes higher up than they are. We can see this in Pygmalion when Mr. Higgins says to his housekeeper, “Well, when I’ve done with her, we can throw her back into the gutter; and then it will be her own business again; so that’s all right.” Higgins doesn’t even see Liza as a person with feelings. In The Outsiders, the boys don’t usually get to socialize with the pretty upper-class girls. One of the boys, Ponyboy, says (page 47) that, “It wasn’t fair for the Socs to have everything. We were as good as they were; it wasn’t our fault we were greasers. I couldn’t just take it or leave it.” These examples show that the higher classes don’t accept the lower classes as equals to socialize with. Another similarity is that in Pygmalion, upper and lower classes are shown by speech and physical appearance and not what is in their hearts. Higgins wants to do an experiment on Liza to make her seem like an upper class lady. Higgins wants to take her old raggedy clothes and dress her in new ones that look upper class and teach her how to talk like “a lady.” In The Outsiders, the boys are known for their greasy hair; they are “Greasers.” They talk differently from the high-class girls known as the Socs. On page 30, Ponyboy thinks that Two-Bit is speaking well when Two-Bit says to a Soc girl, “You dig okay, baby,” when he means “You understand.” These examples show that people are judged by what is seen and heard by them on the outside. They are not judged and accepted by how good they are as a person with their values.
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