ACCESS SCHOLARSHIP Group - CDE discussion

After reading the summary, you must come to this post and discuss your opinions of the story... what part you liked, felt identified with, what you felt, what you didn't like, what impressions it caused you (positive and negative). After writing your impressions, you must comment on at least ONE OTHER PERSON's reflections; saying if you agree or don't agree with his/her impressions/ideas and WHY. I can't wait to read them, so, let the comments begin!

Ok, chapter 13 was too sad, because I paid attention in how the people in that time treated and sold the slaves as animals whithow any problems, is cruel, the saddest was when Emmile was sold to other master and separated of her mother, I imagine the pain that they felt… that make me feel sad, is a very difficult situation to lost a member of our family, and more in this circumstances…is unjust because Emmile is a young woman and I don´t know what will happen with her, her master apparent a bad men and unfortunately her life is his hands…
In our time this action is a crime but until now we always see in the TV or listen in the radio situations similar to this but in different ways as white slave trader, exploitation sexual and many other, is sad to know that the authorities can´t eliminate this kind of abuses, I think is a difficult work but nothing is impossible and with the help of each one is possible ….
I liked Tom, he in all time kept his patient and faith in God that is for me the positive and the most important, we don´t know how will be our future, always we pass by bad or good situations, but I think always we learn of our actions, and if we fall to try get up and not desist!

That was a sad Chapter, I don't know what made me feel whith that feel, but although was an Interesting chapter, because the book centralized more in how gentleman, or many gentlemen trated slaves, and I'm very upset with that situation, and If I was there, I don't know how I would reacted, because is a really bad situation, the slaves were trated like a goods, and they were a normal persons, I don't know how they judge persons, only for they color of skin, and nowadays, we know that exist many persons that judge a persons only for their color of skin, I think all persons have the same color of blood, only because God did him/her with other color of skin, eyes, we have to judge them, we have to look our heart first, then judge persons, so, I mean that persons are the same and no one is different, is possible in our physical aspect, but in others aspects we are the same.
About Mr. Legree I think He is a really cobard, that feel strong when treated bad other persons or slaves, I don't like His actitude, because He feel that only because He's Black He has power to decided about other life.

"I liked Tom, he in all time kept his patient and faith in God that is for me the positive and the most important" Rossana has reason, because Tom never lost his patient, in many times He feel very sad, because He missing many things, but he was perseverant, and is important to be perseverant, because that have a good recompense, can not be early, but when the time pass, is possible.

it really hurts as are some people who only think about them and if they are happy but the rest does n't matter for them
the people are treated as merchandise WITH PRICE INCLUDED
not care about their feelings, they think, and only by the color of your skin are guided
we were all created in the image and likeness of God
nobody is perfect, each has it's strengths and weaknesses but that's what makes us unique and different from others

It was a sad chapter indeed! This chapter just shows us how the slaves were used to sold, like animals or with more cruelty. If I was in Tom's place, I'd feel horrible, very, very sad indeed. Something that in this chapter called my attention is the way that those people just think in themselves, in their own "happiness" if I can say that, but the slaves were just, treated like animals. Uh, this chapter really made my think in how the black people were treated, like a "thing" that doesn't feel, doesn't have rights and like a robot, how stupid and ignorant humans can be. Nowadays, this still exists unfortunately, but it is not as much as in that time, thanks to God. Something that I felt identified with was the sadness of the mom were she was about to be separated of her daughter, I would feel in the same way as she felt, I mean, who wouldn't? I didn't like -and many classmates maybe didn't like it also- the way the salesman treated the girl that was crying, I mean, why did he told her that? :s Maybe I have to disagree with Karen's comment, when she says that Tom keeps his patient, because the autor mentioned this "As might be imagined, Tom was in no humor to join these events; and, therefore,
setting his trunk as far as possible from the noisy group, he sat down on it, and leaned
his face against the wall." His reaction is normal, I would react in the same way, but if he kept his patience, he'd just continue, although he didn't want it. This is my oppinion!

Well, in this chapter happened what was waiting, Tom was sold, but unfortunately to a bad man, Tom`s situation is worst, now he is with a bad man, and maybe everything would change for him. In this chapter appeared other persons, like Susan and her daughter Emmeline that were sold too, but for different masters, they were separated. I didn`t like all that part, it was too sad, they couldn`t do nothing by that situation, everything that passed by their mind in that moment, like what would happen to them, if they`re going to see again or if they`re going to be together again, I think what they were feeling is something that nobody can feel without pass by something like that, it was terrible what happened to them.
The positive of this chapter I think is only the part in that the benevolent man bought Susan, I didn`t find other good thing that happened in this chapter.
Now, I wanna know how is going to finish this story; it is very interesting for me, and more because now, I know the life of the slave and how much they suffer.

Rosana wrote: chapter 13 was too sad, because I paid attention in how the people in that time treated and sold the slaves as animals without any problems, is cruel.
I agree with her, it`s very sad to know that, because everybody want a good life, and what happen with slaves is terrible, they are treated like animals without any right, and they work hard all their life, they are prisoners, so that`s something very bad, because nobody have the right to do what wants with other people only because they are different, but unfortunately that happen until now. The people have to think before of act, and we must treat others as we want to be treated. I think. But, in that time and also now, there are people that only think in itself and don`t do the right.

Karen wrote: I'm very upset with that situation, and If I was there, I don't know how I would react, because is a really bad situation.

I agree with her, because all this situation make me feel sad and also upset, because Tom can`t get his freedom, and I really want that Tom get it, because he is a good person, he suffered very much and is still suffering, he and all the other slaves, and if I was there, I really don`t know how I would react too, I don`t know if I would accept the situation or if would escape. So that`s why I admire Tom, he`s always patient, and never lose the hope to be free.

In this chapter I could see how an intellectual person can't enjoy certain moments because of his mind; this can be stupid, but I think it's true, a person who can read, write or analyse doesn't pay attention to funny things during the difficulties, in some aspects that's good because if you think on the trouble you can find a way to solve it. By the other hand, sometimes we need a break to think again, and it can be a funny moment, but Tom situation was intelligible.
It's disgusting how they examined the slaves as animals only because of their skin color, I thinks it's a great ignorance, I feel really bad and indignant. And I feel worse when I think in how Susan felt, losing your daughter is not the best feeling, I don't know which one is the worst: losing you daughter or your mother...
I found ironic how the writer describes Susan's Master as benevolent of he BOUGHT a human being, I mean, if you are a good person you will avoid human beings selling not help.
Trading people was like a game for the Masters and traders, I wonder what will happen with them in the next chapters!

Rosana wrote: "Ok, chapter 13 was too sad, because I paid attention in how the people in that time treated and sold the slaves as animals whithow any problems, is cruel, the saddest was when Emmile was sold to o..."

I agree with this phrase: "...is sad to know that the authorities can´t eliminate this kind of abuses..."
It is really disappointing, all the time our citizens are losing their loved ones because of the insecurity, our world doesn't lack evil people with mind problems, ready to cause damage.
We should change it, at least beginning of our city, then our country and so. But, that's a questioning which need much time and more than just one mind to think in.

Kathia wrote: "it really hurts as are some people who only think about them and if they are happy but the rest does n't matter for them
the people are treated as merchandise WITH PRICE INCLUDED
not care about the..."

"nobody is perfect" I agree, but all of us know that in the same moment when we look at a mirror. But we are still judging the others, mocking of each thing we see wrong; believing that if we make feel bad them we'll be better and that's not true.
Saying to another fat doesn't make you thinner! That's it.

Is sad how an honest and kind man as Tom can go through a lot of things, he feels sad about what happened with St Clare and Eva, everything happened very fast, not knowing what will happen in the future. Well, I did not like the part where Mr. Legree bought Tom, his attitude shows that it is a bad person and that's not good for him, now the situation is worse for Tom.
On the other hand was also sad the separation Susan and Emmeline, I think Susan was lucky to be bought by a benevolent man, but anyway is sad to separate you from your daughter, not knowing if you’re going to see her someday again or perhaps never more ...

rocio wrote: It is really disappointing, all the time our citizens are losing their loved ones because of the insecurity
this is one of the biggest problems our society lives today, insecurity is growing bigger every day we see on TV or listen the radio that maybe people are dying for a cell or money. looks like things are more important than human life
start change must in our law and then in us
because supposedly they are the head of the country but do nothing for our country,

chapter 13 presented a different formal history, really to change and the drama has more depht,to considered specially for people, because it doesn't was boring, it's presented interesting meaning and situation.
well, mayority part I don't liked, but in some part in a little part I liked, first, tom's precious possesion, he didn't forget its his bible, he bring with him to the slave warehouse, it's a symbol how he's appreciate its, tom is exceptional people, he has his likes and dislikes, but he's different of other he make a diifferent present in all situation can possible presented in its,I like tom, sincerely because he's expressed he doesn't like the merriment, and it's no necessary support it, because you can choose and go to other place, enjoyed it!
it's a deporable situation have to support the slaves in that time,the slaves are people, no animal to check them in a particular form , because it's a similar process toi examinated an animal, where is their dignity=? remember you didn't work with things, you use to work with people ,this part showed thethoughtlessness absence there, also the mother love is not very easy explain, but it's very easy to feel and have everyday with us and pay the necessary attention for its, normaly mother has a preocupation for her daughter, it's specially and sweet uncomparable , when always you have to support the same situation you don't mind, because it's the same new history , maybe tom feel shocked, confused, he does not understand what happen , really it's a difficult moment for him, a bad moment he depen of other , Mrs, Haley is very professional buying slaves,considering the personality it can be unstable future for him!

I agree with you Rosana in this part:
I liked Tom, he in all time kept his patient and faith in God that is for me the positive and the most important, we don´t know how will be our future, always we pass by bad or good situations,

really it's a good behavior to copy, it's a example it can help us in a different moment maybe if you pay attention it can be usefull for you, you believe, grow you faith, grow how people, transmit a positive energy, no a negative,it show you are stronger you should fight because yo think you are not only , many people wait for you superation personal and in different aspects of our life, this is for to be concious, we state in this life it's unstable, enjoy a good and bad, receive and give they welcome and your life and question for its ?what is it you new lesson for my life I ready wait for you?, live your life, don't act, because you can forget the script, but if you enjoy the simplicity of life and everyday you created you script, you don't practice, you are normal , your personality is sincere,

I agree with you in this part Rocio : I LIKE
It's disgusting how they examined the slaves as animals only because of their skin color, I thinks it's a great ignorance, I feel really bad and indignant. And I feel worse when I think in how Susan felt, losing your daughter is not the best feeling, I don't know which one is the worst: losing you daughter or your mother...
, iT'S our cruel reality, every day we can find , How other people make the different with other, and discriminate them, for skin color, the choose, the eyes color, blonde or brunette, poor or rich, the status social, where is that people in good position, what kind of benefit I can win , this person is famous, we can share equality with all, don't create the exception, I thinks it's a windson attitude to prove, in our life, practice the sincerity and give love, when we treat with other,
THE BEST GIFT FOR MOTHER IS THE SONS AND DAUGHTER, AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POSSESION FOR HER, BECAUSE IS A PART OF THEIR LIFE, AND APPRECIATE HOW YOU LOSE YOU DAUGHTER IS NO A EASY SITUATION,

This was a chapter that showed to me a (very very little) bit of the slaves' misery. A house were people were kept as boxes, waiting for their auction... I felt disgusted by the behavior of the people who were there, it gave me the sensation of something dirty. The traders, the buyers, the place itself was dirty in my mind, even the "good" man who bought Susan. People was like that then, it was a two-faced society; they believed in God and were Christians but tolerated slaves. "The thing happens every day!" says the author.
Tom believes a lot in God, that's why he's so morally strong, but patience has a limit. Well, I don't think he's going to blame God when his patience ends, he rather will begin to fight for his freedom. I hope so, because the situation is very bad right now, and I don't want it to become worse.

Karen wrote: "That was a sad Chapter, I don't know what made me feel whith that feel, but although was an Interesting chapter, because the book centralized more in how gentleman, or many gentlemen trated slaves,..."

That's exactly I wanted to say! But you said it first... I don't know what made me feel but was something disgusting.
I think that's what the author wanted, to make us feel how Tom felt, how slaves felt when they were sold and mistreated for those unfair reasons you mentioned. I mean, you can't understand what's happening, what's going to happen now... I can't imagine myself or my family in that horrible situation, so I don't know either what would I have done.

Raquelgonzalez wrote: "I agree with you Rosana in this part:
I liked Tom, he in all time kept his patient and faith in God that is for me the positive and the most important, we don´t know how will be our future, always..."

I agree in this: "Don't act, because you can forget the script" I loved it! We should be ourselves, yeah, everybody has its own way to react to problems. Tom was sad, the other slaves were happy. Who knows if actually they were nervous? But it looks more as they were already used to being sold, isn't it? Tom knows that he isn't a thing, he's a person, that's why he didn't laugh with the others. And if he still don't know that, he will see it soon.

when I read this chapter I felt disgust, sad, very bad.
I think this was the chapter that shows the real and horrible slavery of that time.
This guy, the salesman has the worst job in the world, I mean, sold this kind of people who sometimes have the worst luck having the worst master, I think this man thinks that he did and maybe doesn’t care about it but as human he may have fault and feel it and doesn’t know.
Also the poor girl and her mom. These women are suffering with the separation between them, the mother did that she could for her daughter but this girl can’t be with her mother. I was thinking and If I would be in the place of this mother, I would be crazy of such preoccupation and also I would say that maybe I would not survive in the slavery time. I admire this part of the chapter because shows us how could be the love of the mother in a difficult situation for her children. We have to value it, even we have a lot of discussions with our mom, we know that she always will be with us.
I also going to mention to The benevolent gentleman that bought Susan because I was surprised when he said "I'd like to, but I'm afraid I can't afford it!". I think he tried to do something good.
And something about Tom, I think he going to have bad life with his new master, he just want to he work as a robot without nothing to think
I don’t have more things to say and I waiting that the last chapter going to be the best end for this book!

It´s very strange for me how many people was happy, in a place like that. Tom felt different, he was sad... I will feel the same, because if something you wanted to happen and there isn´t ways , you will be disappointed! In this case Tom is a good person , he wants a life with his family and can´t. We say are things of the life, never is how we want!
But I see how many people have all anyone would like to have and they don´t deserve it. It´s not just. I wonder why a good person has to suffer, while the bad one is there doing wrong things..
The thing that caught my eyes was how the slaves acted. They don´t think about the condition they were living.
On the other hand, on the villains and children who were not well educated. We criticize them; they are bad, they are... whatever we can say. But they don´t have education, they grew like this, they don´t know what is bad or good. You can do something for them , try to influence in a good way...
It´s really important to be educated, I really understood this on this chapter, because if we don´t think, we will stay in a place. And not because everybody do , we will do the same. It depends of your education..

Most of my classmates talked about the slaves , how bad is be sold, about Mr Legree , almost the same ideas... And I agree with them. But now, it´s not something new since many chapters talked about the same, selling slaves , losing your relatives, it´s so sad. I only hope something really good to happen.

Rocio said ''I found ironic how the writer describes Susan's Master as benevolent of he BOUGHT a human being'' .. That´s right. But I think we have to imagine , and be there in that time, think like them. Because for them having a Master like him would be as a blessing. They must be strong to endure all that is coming...

I disagree with Juana in the part “It depends of your education”, but what about the people who have education but do bad things, for example: discriminate to other who aren´t of the same social class, there are many people who don´t think in other, that is bad, or in many cases people who don´t have education but are very good persons…I think the education is very important and more in our family where is the first school that we have…the education in schools, family, church or wherever is important when we learn and practice the good things, also helping to other demonstrating the good example of our conduct. This is my opinion..

In this chapter I read and found, what that I didn't want found.. Since the start of this book, we can read a lot of "buys and sales " of persons.. But this scene that there is in this chapter for me is the worst of all,of all the buys and sales that there is in this book, THE WORST PURCHASE was this
"The separation of mother and daugther" . The saddest for me is listen experiences or see maybe in movies this :s
I can't imagine away of my mom, the pain of not know of she anymore! and less in this situation, that i think Susan felt UNABLE of do something and that's even worse ..
In summary, I really hate this scene or part of the chapter, I always like the scenes but seemed to me more than sad imagine this part :(

Jose wrote: "this chapter really made my think in how the black people were treated, like a "thing" that doesn't feel, doesn't have rights and like a robot"..
Yes, i agree with he, is horrible how the black people were treated! and I think that they were treated worst that "a thing"
Was like they had ALL the rigth on them :s
I agree also with Rebbeca, this was a chapter that show a little of slave's misery, is sad read and know that they (the slaves) really couldn't do anything.. Complain, or think, or deny NOTHING, this is really frustrating, is like NOT HAVE A MOUTH !

Liz mentioned,"I admire this part of the chapter because shows us how could be the love of the mother in a difficult situation for her children we have to value it! I agree with you, I love your pinion! the mother is a blessing of God to us, sometimes we don´t understand her but always she does the best to us. We must to care and love her because in my opinion the mom is the best…for other part not all the moms are the same, there are many that doesn´t care her sons I say because I see children who are in the streets, smoking, sleeping or working by themselves whithow any help, I wonder where are their family? Is sad to see that, because the family have the responsibility, they are persons too, and they deserve to be care as all.

Rebecca said: People was like that then, it was a two-faced society; they believed in God and were Christians but tolerated slaves. "The thing happens every day!" says the author.

I like your opinion. It is true, that time was very strange and makes we think about their morally and how work their hearts.

Rossana thank you for read my opinion !
I like your comment about my opinion, when you said:
for other part not all the moms are the same, there are many that doesn´t care her sons I say because I see children who are in the streets, smoking, sleeping or working by themselves without any help
This is a great contribution for my comment, because I didn't mention that all mothers aren't the same. It's true.

Rossana said... ''I disagree with Juana in the part “It depends of your education”, but what about the people who have education but do bad things, for example: discriminate to other who aren´t of the same social class'' I refer about the education you receive since a child, not necessary to be a professional person, your education reflects just in acts... I think you didn´t understand me Rosana... People who discriminate are ignorants , they don´t have a moral education.

I understood that you said Juana but in other way, now is clear for me, thanks for you aclaration!

liz wrote : the mother is a blessing of God to us, sometimes we don´t understand her but always she does the best to us. We must to care and love her because in my opinion the mom is the best…
I agree, but one does not go into a school for mom, learns life is one of the things that never will leave us alone and only seeks to bring in the right direction
and often she stops thinking about it to give you everything you need for your child
sincerely mother's love is unparalleled and perhaps the greatest
We must thank God for giving us a mother and that she will never leave wherever you are

This chapter described exactly how was a slave warehouse, how people lived in a heavy enviroment, showed again a hard situation passed by the slaves, live in a dirty place and in unhealth conditions.
This time, Tom is not so lucky, Tom is sold to a plantation owner Legree who has a harsh voice with him. So it´s difficult imagine that a next chapter could be easy for Tom.

The majority of classmates say about this chapter that was too sad, but I want to change that by these words "very hard and difficult situation", we need to think more like strong persons, be more optimistic.
As Rociog said if you think on the trouble you can find a way to solve it .. I really agree with her ideas, I very liked.

In this chapter the author shows more the slaves life, their destination.. Is a sad reality that they passed in those time and now still pass some .
Be treated as object, as things is very horrible, and is much more horrible see as is sold your daugther to one strange without nothing by do.
Each day we should apreciate our life, because comparing with slaves life, we live as kings because are owners´s our life. and often didn´t apreciate it.
The situation this slaves is sad, but some have luck to find a good Master.

I agree with Andrea everything happened very fast, Tom only has luck by little time, but I wait that Tom get over all the obstacles that life puts to reach happiness, definitely gets because he has faith and didn´t lost hope.

Yes José, you have reason, you pay attention so much in the chapter, but I didn't specific for what part I said that, and I want to explain about the life of Tom, because He didn't desist, if He want maybe He would scape from his new job, but He's patient, in what would happen with His life...

Hilda, yes! I admired what you said, that's a good point, and I think we have to be more optimistic, like the phrase "Is difficult, but not impossible" We have to think more about this phrase and practice. Good coment!

Haha, Rebecca! yes, is difficult, I can't imagine too, so, I think this book was made for persons of that period feel, if you aren't a slave or black people, although feel how they feel, or how the society trated them, like a goods, that's terrible, but was the reality, and we have to accept and change.

Camila: yes! you feel the same, and we have the luck that we are suposdly free persons, suposdly I say, because we are slaves of work, and that's the cruel reality, but we have our family with us, and that is the important, like that period when slaves where separated of their families.

Chapter 13 showed us a particular situation, where Tom and the other slaves were turned in the slave warehouse in new orleand, tom had with him a trunk full of clothing that it was the only thing that he had, sometimes we have a lot of things or clothes and we want to have more and more; i really felt sad when i read the part where tom look at the two womens who were weeping because they might be sold to different masters, I think how feel the people whose parents or family traveled to other countries or specifically to Spain and they are separate, and sometimes we don't give value to our family, and the part when the bad man examinated Tom and look at his teeth like an animal i can't believe how there are some people who do bad things to other people that didn't do anything... we have to be ethics persons an practice values and be best persons