ACCESS SCHOLARSHIP Group - CDE discussion

After reading the summary, you must come to this post and discuss your opinions of the story... what part you liked, felt identified with, what you felt, what you didn't like, what impressions it caused you (positive and negative). After writing your impressions, you must comment on at least ONE OTHER PERSON's reflections; saying if you agree or don't agree with his/her impressions/ideas and WHY. I can't wait to read them, so, let the comments begin!

I like very much the part when George, Eliza and their child could escape to Canada, it was very interesting for me to know that they got their freedom, they fought too much for getting it, now, they are free, so they could work and have the life that they always dreamed! And that make me feel happy after all the bad things that happened.
Tom had the opportunity to run away again, but he didn`t escape. He stayed at the Legree`s plantation knowing what could happen to him there, maybe for him that was the right thing to do, maybe he thought in the people that were there, that they could need him, his help, his love….. He always thought in the others.
Cassy and Emmeline started to escape. I`m happy for Cassy and Emmeline, they could escape, Cassy plans was good. Maybe Cassy will see her children again, maybe their life will be better, I hope.
Legree hit Tom as never he hit a slaves only because Tom didn`t told them about the fugitives and I think that Tom didn`t deserved that, he was a man not an animal, to do that to an animal is very bad, to do that to a man is something unforgivable. I think.
It is incredible how a person can support all those things, nobody deserves something like that.

Well I like the united of George´s family, they show us the real value of the family, I think when the members of the family are united and with the help of God anything is impossible, but for other part unfortunately is really sad to see in all part of the world many family separated for many problems, for example: for lack of dialogue, lack of understanding, etc. I think always we have problems into the family, but there are also ways for resolve this problems, George´s family is a good example for us!
The perseverance of Tom is other value that I love, he in bad moments demonstrated to Legree that he was happy for his life, and anybody can change that, I like Tom´s personality ,he did the best!
The escape of Classy and Emmilene was very expectant, I really was waiting that they can get the freedom, I imagine the desperation they passed, but they were brave and smart, the positive that l learned is “to be perseverant and braves in all moments of our life”, and also when some people want to see us unhappy, we have to demonstrate to all that we are strong and we can pass the obstacles in our life, of course always with the help of God!
I didn´t like when Ligree threated to kill Tom, I think he didn´t understand Tom´s personality, he´s very reliable men and never would betray his friends …I liked it!
The negative is Legree´s actions, he is a bad man …. but is sad to know that until now there are people like him, who treat the servants like animals or discriminate other people for the social class, race, religion, and other..so I think we can change, but how? This is a question that we have to analyze….

Ch. 16 made me feel really good because Eliza and George finally got their freedom; it's incredible how Eliza did all that she needed to herself to be like a man, with so much happiness. George insecurity wasn't rare, when we are almost getting what we want there's always something that could make us back but we must not stop. This chapter shows us how the perseverance can take us where we want to be, that's great; now is usual to leave whatever we are doing just beause it became more difficult, there will be a lot of difficulties during our lives, we should learn how to persist. Once more this book showed the human being freedom is more important than material things, that's very positive because we -as Paraguayans- have to realize it.

These 3 Chapters (16-17-18) made me feel, Happy and sad at the same moment, Happy because George's family could scape, that's the thing that I was waiting, so, that's part was too fine, I like it so much, but the part that I don't like and I think made me feel sad was the reaction of Legree, only because Tom didn't want to told him about the scape of the girl's He punish him, I really don't know why He has that personality, maybe because He suffer a lot, or maybe He don't receive the education that He need, or Maybe that was the personality that He choose, what I want to say with that, is that sometimes we have to look our heart or our personality, because Legree is a person alone, and sometimes if you practice more to be nice, you could be more acceptable, to trate bad persons is not a power, so, I want to distinguish Tom, He is a man, who is a really good person, and I think He is very reliable, bacuse He said that if Legree need something of him, He will give to him, although Legree did, or do bad things to him, He never lost His reliable.

"Legree hit Tom as never he hit a slaves only because Tom didn`t told them about the fugitives and I think that Tom didn`t deserved that, he was a man not an animal, to do that to an animal is very bad, to do that to a man is something unforgivable" That's so true Camila! and that's don't have name, the things that persons of that period did, and if we pay attention, now persons do the same, I don't know if persons are well or what happen whith them.

I liked the first part of Ch 16, when they were talking (George and Eliza), I saw their relationship are very well, the behavior of George with her, their treatment.
On the other hand, it was so complicated , they were worried about the escape, but already was the time... The time is now, to be free. They were waiting for it, and although they hadn't any money, they were happy for their freedom. Also we have to be happy for have what we have , if we want, it doesn't matter anything more. Many people are not happy because they don´t have a new cell phone, but think if you have a father , a mother , if you have a good relation with them, that’s important... Because tomorrow could be later , something can happen.. You can lose what you have.
Always you will find good persons to help you, as Mrs Smyth and others who appeared through the story. Don't lose hope..Because if you do it , you get lost without start to fight.

This part of the history begins with the escape plan where Eliza wear man clothes and Harry wear girl clothes is very ingenious the plan. All captains were warned about one man, girl and boy.When landed in Amherstberg-Canada until the last dollar spend ,I love the part when they can't sleep because so much joy in the heart already were free .
I hates yhe part when Legree done the slave work every day but I admire when by more was exhausted to the night his eyes not when would read the Bible .
I admire Tom by not escape with Cassy but said for she pray by they to all get it right.
In one night when Legree not present Cassy and Emmeline execute their plan .Legree was very angry with this new and then says the history who Legee's sitting in his bed said how much he hates Tom .Them Quimbo went looking for Tom because only he know where Cassy and Emmeline were hidden Legree threatened to Tom but he not said nothing because he feel God in he heart in this part we can looking how Tom is very manful person.

In the chapter 17, Tom looks very tired, for working hard and to fight , If I were on her skin I don't know how I would endure.. The act of Tom , makes me think he's going to die , because he's so happy, he showed that everything is ok. Sometimes in the life, when one is so, is because came his time, and he feels how his heart is; noble, gentle. But I expect not to be so.
It´s so complicated his life, he can escape now, but he doesn't want. His character remind me to Christ, although his suffering , he forgave to who crucified him. Tom is happy because he knows he is doing the correct thing, obeys his master but his life is terrible, I don't know, although everything, bad treatments, and hits , his place is there, he thinks so. And in the ch 18, was so dangerous to run away, the women were afraid, I imagine. But when someone wants, is possible. And these women took a difficult decision of do it.
On the other hand, Tom has as a light or angel , which protects him. It's admirable, many ones around him became, also Legree. No one can break Tom's faith. With Cassy is another history. She wants to die, doesn't have faith because her children aren't there. But I think , God has the last word, you can't do nothing against it. She only can ask God for her daughter is fine.
I admire Tom's personality, he's strong, he knows what to say and when... What matter is that his soul is quiet , he´s ready to anything.

Ch. 17 showed me that it doesn't matter how much we talk about how our mind can control our bodies, if we are exhausted we are, it's sad how Tom was still trying to read his Bible after all, I mean, it is sad because he couldn't. This sentence: Legree could not hide from himself that his power over him was gone; really impressing me, it is great how with each little detail which Tom did Legree was provoked, maybe because of his envy, envy toward Tom's spiritual strength. Perhaps it was what made Legree treat so bad Tom, he knew he lost his power over him and then he tried desperately to demonstrate himself the contrary.
Every one in the plantation noticed Tom benevolence, and it began to fill their minds, to make them feel more comfortable in that place where before Tom's coming they felt like Legree toys,and it's true that the presence of a steady and benevolent person makes us feel better as if everything may have a positive side in the worst moment. Once more, Tom faith in God is surprising and I wonder how it can be possible; nowadays he have all we need and even more, but some people still don't believe that there's superior one, it doesn't matter who or what it is, there is one and we should give thanks for everything.

In this three chapter we appreciate the result of all these good slaves passed during this time.
After much fighting and giving not up George and Elisa could fulfill his dream of reaching Canada.
something that was difficult but not impossible, but the important thing is that get and are united now
Cassy and Emiline also made ​​a decision that definitively marked his life forever, they just wanted their freedom and used their intelligence to do
For them it was the all or nothing and thank god did everything right and fought for a better future
legree has a great hatred in his heart and download everything tom,Maybe that was the reflection of which he wanted to do, and the only thing that mattered was to feel superior to others and be the owner of all
I think everything we do in the future has it's consequences and all the damage we do to the others return to us in the same way or worse

Well I like the united of George´s family, they show us the real value of the family, I think when the members of the family are united and with the help of God anything is impossible, but for other part unfortunately is really sad to see in all part of the world many family separated for many problems``


That`s true Rosana! I think that George and his family got their freedom because they were together all the time when they escaped, their love was more strong than everything, George fought by his family without matter what could happened to him because his family were more important than that and with the help of God they got their freedom... that one of the good things that happened in the story.

In many places the separation of a couple affect much the family, and more if there are children, they suffered too much because their aren`t together, that`s something that everyone have to think more about.

Many people are not happy because they don´t have a new cell phone, but think if you have a father , a mother , if you have a good relation with them, that’s important... Because tomorrow could be later , something can happen.. You can lose what you have.
Always you will find good persons to help you, as Mrs Smyth and others who appeared through the story. Don't lose hope..Because if you do it , you get lost without start to figh. I agree with you Juana, I loved your comment, yes!we have to give more importance to the family, friends and all people who are around us, not leave for tomorrow what you can do today! Also leave a few more the materials things, because this situation is worry the society, the family are losing the traditions, costumes and values important, we should conserve the good things and enjoy the maximum with all people!

In the beginning of Ch. 18, we can notice a moral controversy: stealing to a supposed robber, if stealing is bad, why do most of people consider stealing to a robber as a right action? When I made this question, nobody has the courage to answer it.
Legree felt really powerful saying Tom was his, he'd like to have him, to be like him truly.
Hmm, Cassy's mind was really well described as half-crazed... Yes, she lost her children and we cannot imagine that feeling but: why didn't she think that if she died she would lose all the few opportunities she had to see them again in a certain time of her life? The sad moments close our minds, and we can't see the good things which are happening; in Cassy's case, her plan was being successful.
This phrase: "I never want to love anything again!", is a teenager phrase, I suppose the majority of my classmates said it in a certain moment; I think it is ridiculous because it doesn't matter what had happened, we cannot refuse to love again; in that part of the chapter Cassy liked a teenager and Emmeline acted as her mother trying to make her see the positive sides of finally being free; Emmeline was separated from her mother, but immediately she understood it, she wasn't so dramatic.
At the ending of this chapter I thought Legree would stop hurting Tom, because his last words made a pause there, I hoped Tom would change Legree, made him to think about what he was doing to the other and to himself, but I guess he was already too haywire.

Many people are not happy because they don´t have a new cell phone, but think if you have a father , a mother , if you have a good relation with them, that’s important... Because tomorrow could be later , something can happen.. You can lose what you have.
I agree with you again Rosana-!! That`s the sad reality of some of the young people now, because if somebody doesn`t have something that wants, if they can`t have they only get angry with their parents for that, some of the people think too much in the material things, we have to think in the material things, but only in which we really need.. And the material things are not for always..

"Many people are not happy because they don´t have a new cell phone, but think if you have a father , a mother , if you have a good relation with them, that’s important... Because tomorrow could be later , something can happen.. You can lose what you have." Rossana, you have a lot of reason, we have to thanks that so, we have all things that is free, our family our life, and other things...

Camila wrote: "I like very much the part when George, Eliza and their child could escape to Canada, it was very interesting for me to know that they got their freedom, they fought too much for getting it, now, ..."

I think you're right Camila, Tom stayed at the plantation knowing what it would mean; he thought in the other so much and thinking in it I wonder if he was a very good Christian or just exaggerated altruist who hated himself, it's funny to think so.

I disagree with your last idea, I think a man cannot be compare with an animal because the animals act through their instinct and the man can think in what to do. In this case, we would like to believe that Tom was very loyal, but his action was also a suicide action... Yes, it is stupid, but I like to think in each detail; he knew his destiny and even thus he didn't back. Maybe he wanted to be remembered as a kind of hero or savior. How can we know?

Rosana wrote: "Well I like the united of George´s family, they show us the real value of the family, I think when the members of the family are united and with the help of God anything is impossible, but for othe..."

Family... That word has many meanings, but for some people is just that: a word. Yes, Rosana it is sad, but is something we have to see as a example of what kind of relations there are in our world and nowadays it's becoming worse because of the technological devices which are transforming us in cold beings with no energy to talk from face to face. Everything begins in between the couple, and if the couple don't have communication is impossible the children do.
We should think, we are as young people the next couples of the world. Let's change thees relationships.

Karen wrote: "This 3 Chapters (16-17-18) made me feel, Happy and sad at the same moment, Happy because George's family could scape, that's the thing that I was waiting, so, that's part was too fine, I like it so..."

"Maybe that was the personality that He choose..."
I like how you express it. I think it is true, we are how we are because we want to, I mean, we can change our way of being if we want to, the thing is we don't. We close our eyes and stay so lying to ourselves, believing we are doing the right things, we are being good persons...

Juana wrote: "I liked the first part of Ch 16, when they were talking (George and Eliza), I saw their relationship are very well, the behavior of George with her, their treatment.
On the other hand, it was so c..."

"Many people are not happy because they don´t have a new cell phone, but think if you have a father , a mother , if you have a good relation with them, that’s important..."

I agree with you! The best of this book is that makes us think about the importance of the persons with all of their integrity. You're right, the relationships between parents and children or teachers and students or among friends are better than a new cell phone! The treatment with living makes us feel alive too.

This chapter shows us how the perseverance can take us where we want to be, that great; now is usual to leave whatevere we are doing just beause it became more difficult, there will be a lot of difficulties during our lives, we should learn how to persist.
I agree with you Rocio, sometimes when we have difficult situations, we feel downhearted, that happen frequently in the society especially with the students, some of them think that is too difficult or they don´t have possibilities to study, but it is not so, because if we want to study, there are many institutions that can help us, we must be perseverant and not desist.

I liked ch. 16, because it was good to know finally George, Eliza and Harry finally get their freedom. It was one of the most emotive chapters in the story, with the fear of the man and the sweet bravery of the woman. They felt so good with his new life, I don't know why I felt also their happiness, I think that's what happens when you read something so moving and, maybe, you can recognize in people you know. If you watch carefully, you can see hope in every new day.

In ch. 17 Tom sees he's in a very bad condition, so he decides to read less and help more, that's something I would do, because I like the feeling you have when you see somebody is better, with your help. Cassie ask Tom to run away with her, as he said before, he wouldn't do it but he will pray for their success. For me, Cassie is the character in which Eliza could have become if her son had been sold as his master wanted at the start.

In ch. 18 the author shows us the feelings of Cassie, her desperation and hate against people. But Emmeline with her innocence makes her to express her real emotions; both are alone in the world so they have to support each other the hard times that are coming. By Tom's side, his master suspect he knows about the escape. Tom gives us his ultimate show of his courage, faith and kindness. Oh, poor good ol' fellow...

I agree with you again Rocio, is incredible that our mind can control the body, but is the reality of many people who think only in themselves, in this case the power of Legree caused too much suffering to the slaves, this kind of person who don´t think in what can happen in the future with them, I think when they pass for the similar situation, they will need the help of the other people, but only God can judge them.

Rociog wrote: "In the beginning of Ch. 18, we can notice a moral controversy: stealing to a supposed robber, if stealing is bad, why do most of people consider stealing to a robber as a right action? When I made ..."

I disagree with this idea:
"Why didn't she think that if she died she would lose all the few opportunities she had to see them again in a certain time of her life? The sad moments close our minds, and we can't see the good things which are happening"
- This is right, I must accept, but I think you must see that everybody has different reactions to misfortune, especially if it comes from long ago, Cassie's one was to close and harden her heart. The point is, from a long time, she just suffered and watched pain, evil, she accumulated hate... this makes you pessimistic, and if you aren't espiritually strong this is going to destroy you. One year more and Cassie would have become another Sambo or Quimbo or whatever.

In ch. 17 Tom sees he's in a very bad condition, so he decides to read less and help more, that's something I would do, because I like the feeling you have when you see somebody is better, with your help. I liked your thinking Rebecca, I would do the same, but there are few people like that, nowadays many people only think in the benefits or simply they don´t want to help, that is bad..

Rocio, sorry had to be "These 3 Chapters ..", and I put "This 3 Chapters..", so, now I edit and put it correct :) haha

In CHAPTER 16! The situation it's attractive for me! because it presented a typical situation , nowadays it is in the same way, for ex, what concerns does george have about the escape plan? ! are many people worried about their destiny and lose all, they have fear to wrong whatever, they don't try again when the thing is no ok! in this case the priority is their freedom, IN addition when you pass a difficult moment or you wish have someone you use your mind, your genius is right. but, you should have used everyday in good and bad moment , no ! when you find a troubles! and it's has advantage , you can discovered you are very intelligent, I admired how the slaves done their escape plan, a woman wore man's clothes and a child wore a girl clothes!. I liked , this part, about eliza and george economic situation! they are slaves and so they try that is the diference , realy are many people free supposedly , have health, force, and sad , depress, they lose the hope, they say when don't have money, they forgot this phrase , when you search you can find,
I don't like legree's attitude about their slave, he make them to be very exhausted, they hard work everyday, how animals, it show us the tired , or when we don't have the time enough, the spiritually down, have existed a lot of couch potato don't pay attention for it! because this is similar with the tree everyday when you have, you have dedicate time for all, and organize it, put water for not permit tree dry ! I liked tom's attitude , he let it be the unhappy and newly received the hope he change his attitude , and that's was a sorprise for others, but the important is you continue until the final, and chapter 18 I'm sorry with cassy she does not mind her if she live or dies, poor woman! maybe if she permited tom talk about Lord for her she can know she was never alone, she can continue, the life continuos, the trouble always it's presents but this is for you pass to other progress in your life, for to be more strong, I think now it's very difficult find a reliable people silent until the end, no said anything, that is a good trusty person!

rosana wrote: Well I like the united of George´s family, they show us the real value of the family, I think when the members of the family are united and with the help of God anything is impossible, but for other part unfortunately is really sad to see in all part of the world many family separated for many problems,
I agree in parte yeah! it's true the common union in the family is so much important,with Lord blessing anything is impossible, and I disagree with you in this part many family separated for many problem, what you considered it's the problem i our families?
they don't practice a dialogue, but are people practice but it end shouting everybody upset, annoyed, maybe the form , how the try the problem in search a correct moment to solve it, no with simple dialogue, put in order the thing make specific guidelines to continue. nowadays are people living with their family, but their attitude show us, how the family don't exist, the pay the attention enought for them, the value, and many family suffering for any member it's far away for ex: spain, I considered it's no necesary the emigration separed,the troubles , the egotistical, the hate, it's difficult to say pardome , forget a bad moment please? etc. it's gave the posibility to this separation exist actually !
wha it the proplem fathers, sons or who?
for me in particular in Lord is no present in their families, or maybe they don't accept !
the blessing for their lifes..!

rebeca wrote: the author shows us the feelings of Cassie, her desperation and hate against people. But Emmeline with her innocence makes her to express her real emotions; both are alone in the world so they have to support each other the hard times that are coming. By Tom's side, his master suspect he knows about the escape. Tom gives us his ultimate show of his courage, faith and kindness. Oh, poor good ol' fellow...
interesting thinking! I liked!
I agree with you tom can considered how a hero, he's a exemplo for us! he life is a mixture or suffering, pain, happiness, faith in the most important case, the spirituality , he has always present lord in whatever he done!
but I disagree why your considered the author shows us hate against people. ?
that's the most important message of these chapters! for you maybe, but I think IT has a other perspective and focus in other way and that desemboce in the faith and kindness! he only used that situation to show us the cause and effect has the situation in that controversial moment!

Those chapters in general I didn't like so much, because they don’t have many details... but they have parts that I like as when Cassy and Emmeline had a successful escape as George, Eliza and her child.
For them the end was happy, I like this.

But I didn't like when Legree asked Tom about Cassy and Emmeline and threatened to kill him if he doesn't answer. But I run out of words when He admitted that he knew where they are but confront Legree without answer the question, He knew what would happened to him because of this action, but he just thought about another people, again.