Rapture discussion

I liked this book, there were very many twists and turns, but I had to give it 4/5 stars because the ending was so so for me. What did you think?

That is a true statment. I enjoyed the book very much.

I think the ending was romantic, but it didn't satisfy me at all. I think Lauren Kate could of made it a lot better. I loved Luce finding out she was angel. Iwish she ccould of kept being an angel, loved Daniel, kept her friends, and her family. Because honestly, she lost everyone she cared about (with the exception of Daniel. Even though, she did kind of loose him too. She lost their history).

The ending made me want to cry I thought it was so sad Luce had to say goodbye to all the other angels forever just so she could be with Daniel

I loved the ending, but I keep waiting for a twist, like one remebers. That would have been better. It didn't completly satisfy me.

I did not like the ending. In fact, I thought it was so ridiculous and such a rip off of the movie What Dreams May Come...I also hated that there was a parallel between Luce and Lucifer. I loved Fallen and Torment. I thought the first two books were original, and combined just enough angst and just enough sappy romance between Daniel and Luce with all of these unanswered strange circumstances preventing them from being together...I was anticipating the release of Passion and Rapture...but come on, Lucifer aka Bob REALLY? Terrible...if you were going to do a love triangle, I'd of bought and paid for Cam to have been guy #2. I wonder if this ending was what Lauren Kate originally had in store, if this is what a sell-out looks like. I thought Fallen was the player to beat in this angel category, but for me it has become the series I like the least.

I have to agree with Beth. This book was very disappointing. The ending left a lot to be desired, but the whole book just felt seriously predictable to me. I loved most of this series because I felt Lauren Kate had something fairly original. Rapture, however, just seemed to follow writing 101. I mean, Daniel and Luce had already completed their task and were waiting for the others in the first 1/3 of the book. Hmmm....I wonder what is going to happen next??? Just my opinion, but this totally destroyed this series for me. I would no longer recommend it because the last book should be the best of the series and instead it was by far the worst.

Agree with Stephanie & Beth! Very disappointing ending to a series that had so much promise in the beginning.

it was but it wasn't ..almost felt like (to me) that everything they worked for was just lost. He wanted her to rememeber so badly how he basically fought for her then at the end was like all was thrown away. I am glad they got to be together in end though

Sure there was a few unsatisfying loopholes in the story, such as Cam's lover never introduced/explained!

But still, I loved the book dearly until the LAST FEW PAGES- when Luce and Daniel had to become human.
After that, I felt so so so very disappointing and sad that I felt like chucking the book on the floor and stomping on it.

It is as if Lauren Kate suddenly put in "AND IT WAS ALL A DREAM."

I would be OVERJOYED if Kate can delete the last few pages and rewrite a better ending.

i think the ending had its designated impact lauren kate was hoping to deliver. luce ends up to be lucifer's soulmate, their names even match, yes, and daniel (who is the angel of watching lost souls) watches luce when she is at her darkest..and he offered her comfort. so thats how they fell in love. thy ending was good but somehow i still feel empty. the love story between luce and daniel is over, happy ending, yay, but what about cam? were roland and arriane lovers? so many questions about our other characters. thats one thing that i demand improvement. the rest were great, minus lauren's over lengthy and descripty style of writing which gets really irritable at time i just want to skip those parts.

It wasn’t a good ending for me.
I didn’t like all the running about from one pointless artefact to another. The only thing they needed was the lens. They didn’t need the cup, any old cup would have done, and they didn’t need the blood, just some coloured dye would have done. Can’t remember the woman that pointlessly scarified herself, but with all the prep stuff she gathered up in the hill and she knew long before what was needed, surely she could have added dye to it. Instead, she rather make Luce go through something so terrible and emotionally damaging by making Luce kill her instead. Yay for common sense and understanding…
Luce, despite turning out to be an angel, cares nothing for her parents or best friend, the suffering they will feel when they don’t know where she is or what happened to her . Her parents don’t even cross her mind. Luce’s human heart is gone, she stomped on it, and disregarded everything it contained. Once Luce remembered she was an angel, it was like she forgotten everything human about her and what she experienced as human, it was like her humanity and human relationships didn’t matter anymore.
I didn’t like Lucifer portrayal, it just seem too unbelievable and cheesy.
The ending just made Luce seem like a spoilt brat.

Tabitha wrote: "I really like the ending. I think had it ended any other way there would be too many loose ends. I just like the idea that Daniel and Luce get the opportunity to fall in love without all the heaven..."

And the fact that they still do! :D

Nuran wrote: "It wasn’t a good ending for me.
I didn’t like all the running about from one pointless artefact to another. The only thing they needed was the lens. They didn’t need the cup, any old cup would hav..."

Dee explained though that she was CREATED to be that sacrifice. She explained that death for her would be a blessing and that she welcomes it. Though I do hate for Luce that she had to be the one to kill her--because I cried when she did it just because I know I couldn't do it!--I think that Dee's death was very significant. Because of her death, Luce was able to see what she needed to see to figure out who she is!
Okay, I do have to sort of agree with you on that one. In these romantic paranormal series, the heroine and hero rarely have much regard for family and friends when making huge decisions--which is one thing I loved about Luce throughout the series because she never stopped thinking about her parents, Callie, Penn, Miles, or Shelby until it came to her final ultimatum--which I think another part of her ultimatum was choosing her love or her current life. Which though it seems cold, it also comes between her happiness and her family--a huge statement with a giant dilemma! I don't think she necessarily forgot her human side or lost her humanity, I just think there comes a time when we all need to put on our grown-up pants and think for ourselves. She learned everything she needed to learn to make a grown-up decision, and in the end she still wanted Daniel. So, she chose him--I don't blame her one bit, I probably would have chosen the same thing!
I have to agree once again. Lucifer... didn't seem like Lucifer. However, maybe that was the point. Lucifer, our Satan, is always portrayed as a boogieman, someone who lurks in shadows and has absolutely no heart. I liked the idea of who Lauren Kate wanted Lucifer to be, but I do have to agree that the actual portrayal was a bit... on the unbelievable side.
I have to disagree with Luce being a spoiled brat because a. she did think about her parents and friends throughout the series, while still trying to figure out where her love for Daniel fit into it all, trying to balance it all, and then b. she asked a very selfless request--one I, as a reader, completely disregarded as they accepted their fate--to welcome to Outcasts back into Heaven. Oh my goodness, if that isn't selfless I don't know what is! She wasn't getting anything out of it at all and she did that just for the sake of the fact that the Outcasts deserved their chance to be back in good graces with the Throne to allow them to make their own decisions as angels.
Overall, I love Luce as a character because I don't think she's spoiled, I think she is an independent young lady and does think of others--if not always before herself at least at all which is less than we can say of character's like Bella from Twilight.

It wasn't the ending that I was waiting for, but I accept it. :D

Jacquelyn wrote: "Nuran wrote: "It wasn’t a good ending for me.
I didn’t like all the running about from one pointless artefact to another. The only thing they needed was the lens. They didn’t need the cup, any old..."

Luce choosing Daniel wasn't what I hated. I understand why she wants to be with him but she couldn't think of anything else. Acting like a truly love sick spoilt teenager who only ends up learning responsibility by watching the damage they cause, Luce will never learn that lesson because she won't remember anything. Wearing grown up pants is taking responsibility for your actions and consequences and for the people it effects. Luce didn't take responsibility for the choice she made, she didn't care about anything else but herself. Even showing some sadness or asking god to erase her parent's memories so they wouldn't live in agony of not knowing what happen. She saw the damaged it caused her past life family and yet no sign of sympathy. She had no regard for the pain she would cause her family. She asked god to help the outcast but her family, nah, they're not worth it, they're only human.

As for Dee, still a pointless destiny to have when her equal is a liquid dye.

I was actually really disappointed, I wish Cam had a better ending and I just the thought that Luce and Daniel would never see their friends again or remember them... AND they would've even remember themselves... The more I think about it though, the more I'm accepting it...

Nuran wrote: "Jacquelyn wrote: "Nuran wrote: "It wasn’t a good ending for me.
I didn’t like all the running about from one pointless artefact to another. The only thing they needed was the lens. They didn’t nee..."
But there is a time when someone has to step up and do what they have to do to make them happy. I think that there is always that controversy of duty to the family (it's present in classic literature as well with Ibsen's A Doll's House when Nora leaves her family. Audiences go: What about her children?!) I honestly think that there comes a point in a person's life when they have to think of their own happiness, consequences be damned and do what they have to do. And besides that, if you were standing before the Throne would you be able to think logically?! I don't think she was any more spoiled than any other human being would be in this situation. At least she thought about the Outcasts, I mean c'mon after all they did for her at least she thought of them. I didn't even remember them until she mentioned them! For Luce it was either choose Daniel or choose Lucifer or the Throne and she was bluntly honest that she would rather be with Daniel. I don't know if I could give up my wings after discovering I had them at all, so that just proves her love really does go deep. All of that time traveling did not go to waste and gave her great knowledge. With that, I think a little oversight is allowed.

I love the book! And I may not be that happy entirely about the ending but it's a happy ending so it will do. I just wish they still remember all what happened and they are still angels.

Jacquelyn wrote: “


But there is a time when someone has to step up and do what they have to do to make them happy. I honestly think that there comes a point in a person's life when they have to think of their own happiness, consequences be damned and do what they have to do. ”

But she left her family in the dark about leaving. Families of people who have missing children say they sometimes wish they rather know that their child is dead then to go on living without knowing. The not knowing tortures and kills them the most. Luce saw this effect on her sister from a previous life, the lasting damage it causes, she knows fully the cost, and she didn’t feel bad????

She could have at least ask God a favour to help them. Helping the outcast shouldn’t have been the first people she thought of helping.

I don’t mind her choosing Daniel, but she showed no sadness at losing her family or her best friend for making that choice, and that makes her selfish and narcissistic. Even saying goodbye to her angel friends didn’t feel that much heart felt.

If she felt sad about leaving her family, I could forgive her choice, but she didn’t feel sad at all.

In my head, I wrote that her and Daniel’s children goes missing and she nevers knows what happens to them. She has to live with thoughts and ideas that maybe somethine bad happen to them or they’re a prisoner or being tortured. Maybe her children chose love like she did, but she’ll never know and have to live with the torture and anguish of not knowing.

Nuran wrote: "Jacquelyn wrote: “


But there is a time when someone has to step up and do what they have to do to make them happy. I honestly think that there comes a point in a person's life when they have to t..."

We don't know she didn't feel bad. Perhaps she had to separate herself to keep herself from wallowing in that guilt. Like I said there comes a time when we have to look after ourselves and do what it takes to make ourselves happy. I can kind of imagine Arriane or Shelby and Miles going to see Luce's parents to tell them there was an accident or something to put them at ease.

Jacquelyn wrote: “We don’t know she didn’t feel bad. Perhaps she had to separate herself to keep herself from wallowing in that guilt. Like I said there comes a time when we have to look after ourselves and do what it takes to make ourselves happy. I can kind of imagine Arriane or Shelby and Miles going to see Luce’s parents to tell them there was an accident or something to put them at ease.
...”

We were inside Luce’s head, we were privvy to every other emotion, why not about her family. It wasn’t written hence there was no feelings.

As for this -
“Like I said there comes a time when we have to look after ourselves and do what it takes to make ourselves happy.”

And again, I tell you, that it’s not her choosing be with Daniel that bothers me, it’s her having no emotion to the pain she will cause her parents for making that choice. She can choose Daniel, but damm it feel some remorse about losing your parents. Even the little Mermaid had worries and sadness about not seeing her family again before choosing to be with the prince. When Luce became an angel again, it was like her human heart in her had disappeared. So easy to discard emotion and move on, shouldn’t be suprised though, she jump from Lucifer to Daniel.

As well as that sounds like a selfish teenage motto to me, to shoo away any guilt or regret. Most parents don’t have that same kind of motto, they tend to put their children’s happiness before their own.

As for Arriane and Shelby going to see Luce’s parents, well, they never did that before, why start now?

I believe this is what is called an impasse :)

I think the ending was great. I just think it was so... unpredictable and that was what made it great to me.

I was "ok" with the ending...at least they ended up together but I agree with many of you that the author could have had a different ending with her parents/bff. That was so sad and broke my heart (coming from a parents point of view). Also, wished somehow both Daniel & Luce would have had some memories come back when they were in college. At least she or Daniel didn't die altogether. Overall love, love, love the books! I'm so excited for the 1st movie coming out fall 2015!!