Debate discussion

reduction is when, in the case of multiple pregnancies (like triplets, quadruplets, or more) one or more fetuses are terminated. it's done to give the remaining fetuses a better chance at living healthy lives. what do you think? is it abortion? is it murder?

murder.

murder.

well duh both of you are gonna say that your pro-life!

I would say that that is a twisted version of abortion. This person does not want to abort the fetus(s) because they cannot support them, or they are not ready or they are young. They are getting rid of ONE or more of te babies that they are already going to bear! I mean thats just mean!! I am pro-choice, but that is sick. Killing one of the two babies? Just have an abortion, dont do that! Commit people commit! Become a mother or dont become a mother dont become a HALF mother!

last time i checked killling was murder...

yup.

killing = murder?? nah, you're craaazy... (sarcasm.... much sarcasm...)

i agree with you guys, really. i think it's terrible to kill one baby. i do not think it is worse than an abortion, tho, chandani. but, just, you know, FYI, it does make it so that the other babies have a hugely better change of living.

but i am nuetral- i dunno which side i'm on.

either kill and improve survivability, or let them all live...

yeah...
wait...
huh?

kill, or live

live!

I'm not sure what to think about that... In a way, it seems kind of sick to do that. I mean, any person who has a conscience would feel horrible about it. But then again, if it gives the other child a better chance at survival... I guess it really just depends on the situation.

yeah...

think about it if u were a mother in this situation...

have one ( or more ) baby (babies) or no children yea it would be sad but what if this is your only chance to be a mom.. and adoption is out of the question.

and for the child that lives they will live a healthy life instead of a sickly horrible life wwith hight chances of death... so its your OPINION but that is mine

i know its off topic but i have to intervene here...
sharkgrl:
how is adoption ever out of the question?

yeah that doesnt make sense.....

um, well what if you dont belive in adoption.. i know a lot of people who dont.

DON'T BELIEVE IN ADOPTION? why?

I dunno.

well some people just dont think its right to take a child away from family. if the baby/child was taken away there has to be other family avaible....

that doesn't really make much sense...

it does if you look at it from other peoples point of view...

ADOPTION=OPTION

ok i get it, it is an option but for some people it is not.

yah Eric! I think everyone is capable of adopting and I know nobody who is antiadoption.

i think that taking a mother from her child and placing the children in foster homes and having the child never see there mother again is wrong. but i dont think adoption is wrong.

but foster homes aren't necessarily bad; they can be good places for kids to be. it really bothers me how they are given a bad name. and kids are only taken away from parents is CPS have reason to believe the parent was treating the child poorly. and the child can see its mother in many cases.

that doesnt mean a kid doesnt miss there mom. thats what i am saying, not that foster homes are bad. i am sure that most of them are fine, except for the fact that kids hate being in other peoples homes. i have read books on it so i know. its not a good situation.

i've been fostering babies for a few years.

ok

Er, sorry to butt in. But on the news a little bit ago (I don't know if you've already heard this story) a woman, who was 25, a single mom, living with her parents recently gave birth to 8 children at once. She already had 6 children, also all born at the same time. That's more than Kath & Kate + 8 or whatever that show is called. So she has 14 children all under the age of two, and she doesn't have enough money to support herself. Her mom told her before she had the 8 children that any more babies and they would kick her out. She did it anyway.
She is now looking for a home with her 14 children. Is this not ridiculous?!

Wow thats crazzzy!

jon and kate+8
yah i remember hearing about her. but i think her real issue was getting pregnant when a single mother. a stable family like jon and kate can handle the kids but that might not have been the best choice for a young single mother with many kids already. however, it was the doctor's fault for planting too many embryos in invitro fertilization.
that is ridiculous though.

the doctor that implanted the embryos is like getting his license to do that revoked becuase a doctor is only allowed to put like three embryos in at a time and he put in eight! that woman must be awfully unresponsible to think that all on her own, she can take care of that many. and now shes homeless! i feel sorry for her becuase thats got to suck, but she also made some bad descisions.

Emma the Dork wrote: "i think that taking a mother from her child and placing the children in foster homes and having the child never see there mother again is wrong. but i dont think adoption is wrong. "

emma, that is a little bit impossible. no offense or anything, im totally pro-adoption, but adoption is taking a baby from its mom and then it never seeing her again. but willingly.

Riley wrote: "Er, sorry to butt in. But on the news a little bit ago (I don't know if you've already heard this story) a woman, who was 25, a single mom, living with her parents recently gave birth to 8 children..."

what i think is terrible is that all that personal info about her is al over the media. i know its important to science, but why do we need to know she's a poor single mom, living with her parents, aged 25, and already had sextuplets? its crrazy!

what is reduction?

She was ALSO diagnosed with a grocery list of mental disorders.

eliza i was talking about foster kids, not adoptions.

my auntie is a foster parent and all the kids she takes care of are in foster care because they had "bad" parents.

sharkgrl:

not all kids are in foster care because they had "bad" parents. some are there just because they are on their way to adoption. my friend's family is a foster family, and they foster babies on their way to adoptive parents. just, you know, FYI

Emma the Dork wrote: "that doesnt mean a kid doesnt miss there mom. thats what i am saying, not that foster homes are bad. i am sure that most of them are fine, except for the fact that kids hate being in other peoples ..."

honey, books are not always the best resources. especially fiction. maybe you should base your foster knowledge on people you know, not fun fic. i have read about foster care, too. but i have a friend who fosters, and its totally different.

Yah I foster babies (thus Eliza's comment) and I know a whole lot about it. The kids don't hate being in other people's homes, we are giving them a blessing, something to be grateful for. And the parents too. We give them time to figure out what they want to do in tough situations. Foster care isn't a bad thing, always like some books portray it to be, it is a really good thing in many cases.

i hate it when people call me honey, ESPECIALLY when they don't know me, and the book i read was written by a person who was IN FOSTER CARE so i am guessing she knows what its like.

please stop babying me, its pisses me off.

Emma the Dork wrote: "i hate it when people call me honey, ESPECIALLY when they don't know me, and the book i read was written by a person who was IN FOSTER CARE so i am guessing she knows what its like.

please stop b..."

ouch. that was not very polite. you could have said all those things in a much nicer way. eliza meant honey in the kindest possible way im sure. i dont think anyone is babying you or trying to "piss you off".

i think we were merely saying thats one person's view, we've heard and had experiences otherwise. people have many different experiences in foster care and every situation is different.

ok, so guess what, emma? i call all of my 12 and 13 year old friends honey or darling. so i wasn't babying you. im sorry i pissed you off. but you could have responded differently.

how about this? not ALL foster homes are bad, and not ALL foster kids are unhappy.

yah thats just eliza.