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Jun 24, 2017 11:30AM
Mike, this is wonderful! In fact, you have given me a great idea for a research project for my students next year--find an example of something accused or suspected of being fake news and prove it true or false.
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Tracy wrote: "Mike, this is wonderful! In fact, you have given me a great idea for a research project for my students next year--find an example of something accused or suspected of being fake news and prove it ..."What an excellent idea.
What level are your students, Tracy - college/university level?
Mike wrote: "Tracy wrote: "Mike, this is wonderful! In fact, you have given me a great idea for a research project for my students next year--find an example of something accused or suspected of being fake news..."High School.
Congratulations, Mike. Since this is an issue of the utmost importance, the presentations are being provided by some people very astute in making the "facts" seem to fit their agenda, people who try to offer a "truth," people who make errors, and people who are in different camps at different times.
It is a critical issue and your suggestions go a long way toward solving the puzzles. I suppose the drawback is that many people may not have the time to investigate the claims.
If I might humbly be allowed to make a suggestion; it would be this. First assign priorities. How important to one's thought process is that event? Not much in the news is of anything but momentary entertainment relevance.
Use common sense. Does that sound plausible to you? If not, probably further investigation is warranted. The good people have been taught to defer their opinions to the "experts," many of them already purchased. They shoud be encouraged to put in their uncredentialed two cents.
Just sayin' Mike; as a result of your encompassing and good work.
It is a critical issue and your suggestions go a long way toward solving the puzzles. I suppose the drawback is that many people may not have the time to investigate the claims.
If I might humbly be allowed to make a suggestion; it would be this. First assign priorities. How important to one's thought process is that event? Not much in the news is of anything but momentary entertainment relevance.
Use common sense. Does that sound plausible to you? If not, probably further investigation is warranted. The good people have been taught to defer their opinions to the "experts," many of them already purchased. They shoud be encouraged to put in their uncredentialed two cents.
Just sayin' Mike; as a result of your encompassing and good work.
Tracy wrote: "Mike wrote: "Tracy wrote: "Mike, this is wonderful! In fact, you have given me a great idea for a research project for my students next year--find an example of something accused or suspected of be..."Great.
I did a long period of postgraduate study and was often told by the faculty staff that students were arriving unprepared to question things, or to distinguish between sources.
Who Dat wrote: "Congratulations, Mike. Since this is an issue of the utmost importance, the presentations are being provided by some people very astute in making the "facts" seem to fit their agenda, people who tr..."The news comes and goes very quickly - but it leaves a residue. Yes it's ephemeral, but the aggregate impressions it leaves on people are not. I believe that it is important to strike back against fake news or distortions whenever you see them.
Within reason; we all get days when we have too much on our minds, and decide it's someone else's turn (yes, you are right about having the time!). But it's not always so difficult once you know where to go - how to do a highly specific Google search very quickly, and where to find official statistics on (say) immigration.
Mike wrote: "Tracy wrote: "Mike wrote: "Tracy wrote: "Mike, this is wonderful! In fact, you have given me a great idea for a research project for my students next year--find an example of something accused or s..."Well, I work at a honors military boarding school , lots of international students, so it's not the typical American public high school. We try to cram them a bit fuller for college prep, and I know our local public schools don't. They're too busy doing standardized tests to do research projects.
I did a book review programme for Thames TV on the book with PJ when it came out ( Gosh, I had brown hair then) Great man. I remember him saying that the only guard against being led by the nose by whoever it might be is high standards in journalism. 'It's fact ferreting ' as you put it.Hope all's well over there.
Anthony
Tracy wrote: "Mike wrote: "Tracy wrote: "Mike wrote: "Tracy wrote: "Mike, this is wonderful! In fact, you have given me a great idea for a research project for my students next year--find an example of something..."Standardized tests surely can't confer the ability to think the way a research assignment can.
Anthony wrote: "I did a book review programme for Thames TV on the book with PJ when it came out ( Gosh, I had brown hair then) Great man. I remember him saying that the only guard against being led by the nose by..."I had brown hair then too, and plenty of it - it was forty years ago!
I remember the book was promoted then for its alleged union-bashing, which of course the right-wing media loved. But in practice there isn't that much of that in Enemies of Society, as I recall; it is a more interesting book than that. In essence, it's about not talking balderdash, and why it is dangerous to do so. I wonder what Johnson thought of the wonderful Alan Sokal hoax in the 1990s. I wonder, too, what he thinks of this:
https://thewire.in/140900/gender-stud...
Mike wrote: "Tracy wrote: "Mike wrote: "Tracy wrote: "Mike wrote: "Tracy wrote: "Mike, this is wonderful! In fact, you have given me a great idea for a research project for my students next year--find an exampl..."And it is getting more and more difficult to teach the proper way to debate.
Most excellent. I take my hat off even to the idea that someone can be bothered with this. Sometimes fact checking seems like sorting through rotting garbage for an un-blemished apple.One very interesting point mentioned in the post was the issue of - lying by lack of relevant information - like the example of potential trade with India.
Though, often I think lies are obvious. A more knotty problem is how to ease people away from things they clearly want to believe regardless of the evidence or common sense or basic reason...
As with 'SLA' - framed in a very readable style.
Thank you Amanda. I am afraid the rotting garbage analogy is all too appropriate!Some people will indeed always believe what they want to believe. This is especially easy for them when the con is a subtle one, such as a figure (like that Indian one) that looks impressive but actually has no comparator. I suppose one hopes that when one refutes such rubbish, third parties will take note, even if the original poster does not.


