No is not enough, says Naomi Klein, so if no isn’t sufficient, what might be? This week, ​Laura Flanders talked with author/activist Gar Alperovitz, co-chair of the Next System Project (a framework for imagining ‘the next system’ of governance, democracy, and security). From the gloom of today, he sees the principles of a Pluralist Commonwealth emerging.

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