Full post and apology
This post is challenging to write because so many other people are involved, so many people have been dragged in, and a lot of this took place before I was published.
First and foremost, I’m not going to launch into a huge defense of myself and pick and choose what it’s true and what’s not, what’s been twisted and what hasn’t. The purpose of this post is for me to apologize to readers who feel hurt by me and for my friends and colleagues who have now been damaged because of their associati...
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Mar 10, 2018 04:47PM
Im so so sorry this is happening i know your probably stressed and tgis is not the biggest point right now but Whats going to happen to your future books :( like the rest of the 5B or the 2 upcoming banrons book and if yoi dont know now where will you post it when you know? I really love your work and was looking forward to it.
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Erin wrote: "Im so so sorry this is happening i know your probably stressed and tgis is not the biggest point right now but Whats going to happen to your future books :( like the rest of the 5B or the 2 upcomin..."I feel the same way Erin :(
Well I had heard nothing about this and I don't really understand what it's all about. Thanks for letting us know though.
Sad that your publisher did that?
The post on your blog is terrible on eyes. Is there any way you can change font color to make it readable? Thanks.
Ok so some of us are still great fans of your work and have pre-ordered some books already. This isn’t to say I don’t feel sympathy for what you’re going through, but literally my focus has always been the authors work, I don’t always know what’s happening BTS. I’m sending blessings to you and your family :)Do you still plan to release the rest of 5B? Please say you do!
Zizzy wrote: "Ok so some of us are still great fans of your work and have pre-ordered some books already. This isn’t to say I don’t feel sympathy for what you’re going through, but literally my focus has always ..."And what if it were you sending hundreds of dollars to support a con man?
Books have everything to do with the author, if he/she/they are using someone else's life stories without permission and profiting from it.
This apology doesn't even really directly address the whole apparent liver cancer thing - all it says is "medical issues" which could be anything. Or the children thing, they weren't mentioned at all. Or the apparent use of other's personal lives and stories without their permission in your books. This is all pretty vague. It's a non-apology apology. Saying sorry while dancing around the whole issue.
Тамрико wrote: "Zizzy wrote: "Ok so some of us are still great fans of your work and have pre-ordered some books already. This isn’t to say I don’t feel sympathy for what you’re going through, but literally my foc..."It would still be my decision to support him, just as it’s yours not to. My money, my time, my choice
Тамрико wrote: "And what if it were you sending hundreds of dollars to support a con man?"I know, right? I honestly hope karma does her thing...
@ZizzyEasy to be pro-choice on the subject when it did not touch you directly or if you have money to throw away. Support whoever you want, I don't care if you go broke in the process.
However, may I suggest you support someone who really needs money and worth every penny. Wounded veterans for one.
https://wingsforwarriors.org/
Тамрико wrote: "@ZizzyEasy to be pro-choice on the subject when it did not touch you directly or if you have money to throw away. Support whoever you want, I don't care if you go broke in the process.
However,..."
Not sure if it’s a policy thing but does Goodreads allow users to solicit other websites that accept donations?
I can remove the link whether it is or not. It's not the point.
Actually, I do remember certain communities organizing drives for LGBT kids.
Тамрико wrote: "I can remove the link whether it is or not. It's not the point."Jeez, I’m just saying. And actually its a point I’m making. You’re talking about how those affected were duped into sending donations to SH, right? yet here you are doing the same by asking that donations should be made to something else. Whether that something else is good or bad, real or fake, doesn’t matter, it’s the same. Folks are better off visiting their local organizations so that they know their money is being used for something good, not putting personal account information online to donate via a website. I’m all for social media presence BUT it’d be smarter to do so in person. Those affected are upset and hurt that they got duped, lesson learned and from the looks of it SH got hit pretty bad for getting caught so how bout we let this shit go. Both parties involed got hurt. We’re no better if we keep this up. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, true, but don’t forget that your words and actions have consequences. Happy reading all!
Let me repost:"Easy to be pro-choice on the subject when it did not touch you directly or if you have money to throw away. Support whoever you want, I don't care if you go broke in the process.
However, may I suggest you support someone who really needs money and worth every penny. Wounded veterans for one.
https://wingsforwarriors.org/ "
Тамрико wrote: "Let me repost:"Easy to be pro-choice on the subject when it did not touch you directly or if you have money to throw away. Support whoever you want, I don't care if you go broke in the process.
..."
Doesn’t touch me directly? See now ima teach you a lesson in how you should word your comments in public post because you have no idea who’s reading: First off, my sister is a veteran, Air Force, 10 yrs..and my aunt died back in 2001 from breast cancer. The only difference between me and those who got duped is that I’m not naive to send money, no. I know better, my mama taught me and if anything, I know better because life! Life teaches you so many lessons. Simply put, you don’t make mistakes, you learn! Those parties involved in all this, learned something. And like Zizzy said, it’s a choice on what to use our money on, whether it’s on books or donations. I know that when I visit organizations who work with cancer patients and war vets, my goods and services are appreciated okay? So might I suggest you think before you type? I really do hope all this get resolved soon because reading some of the things that people are saying is really blowing my mind. Seriously tho, smd, I’m out this thread. Peace.
I told Zizzy I don't care how they use their money. Sorry for all you had to go through, but just like I don't know you, you don't know me.
Now, You seem to be a very angry person. Who are you angry at?
What about the people that SH befriended and got to open up and be vulnerable to be used to get their life story to use their books? Without even asking for permission or consulting with them, nothing. Just used and manipulated them. It's not exactly plagiarism but it's pretty damn close. It's taking something from people without their permission and passing it off as made up, coming from SH's own mind when they took it and didn't ask to use it. That's wrong, and I don't know how it can be twisted around to be seen as okay.
@MarianneYou should take your own advice and watch what you post. Next thing you know someone will be selling books about you and profiting on your and your loved ones life story.
Jesus Christ. Enough. It’s too late to cover tracks at this point. We all know better now. You can keep revising your statement, but people see through it now. People fuck up and lie and hurt others (though we all know this is well beyond that), but a real apology involves actually coming clean. If you really can’t allow yourself to do that, then please, for fuck’s sake, quit making it worse.
Jenn says to tell you: The cat is out of the bag now.
You can start here for info. Read everything. Then head over to Twitter and search for the author's name there.
Their relentless and continuous abuse and gaslighting has been exposed.
Nikki is to be thanked for the exposure, head over to her Twitter over @ease_dropper and get the full story. Fair warning the account name changes often. Start from the bottom, you are in for a long read.
The latest post is an exercise in WTFuckery given that it's almost lifted from the bloody third Cyberlove book.http://santinohassell.com/the-other-p...
Тамрико wrote: "@ZizzyEasy to be pro-choice on the subject when it did not touch you directly or if you have money to throw away. Support whoever you want, I don't care if you go broke in the process.
However,..." please leave me out of whatever you're trying to do here as i really dont care. I care about the books, and the question was directed at Santino. And you're not him so I'm not sure why you feel the need to get into debates. You've decided not to support him so i guess this is the end for you and him right.
Moving on.
And yes,I'm still going to continue buying Santinos books
Erin wrote: "Im so so sorry this is happening i know your probably stressed and tgis is not the biggest point right now but Whats going to happen to your future books :( like the rest of the 5B or the 2 upcomin..."Same.
So like no one knows about the future books though ._. I just wanna know about the future of the 5B, barons and cyberlove. Although I'm share cyberlove is over by it was a joint book which is sad ...
I dont get the people that are commenting here to try and stop others from buying Santinos books. Guys, by now we all know whats happened and have decided to continue being fans. And even the ones who'll continue donating, let them.
We all have a choice .Life is that beautiful
Given the rate at which "his" publishers are dropping "him", I suspect the only place you're going to be able to get any future works (and I'm not dignifying them by calling them books given how much has been taken from other peoples' lives unknowingly) will be through the Patreon at vastly inflated prices.That is, of course, if that doesn't get shut down as well, then those who want the "books" might as well just open up a direct bank transfer if they're daft enough to want to continue handing over their money.
Although that, of course, would require "him" to actually offer up some real information on who they are.
Erin wrote: "So like no one knows about the future books though ._. I just wanna know about the future of the 5B, barons and cyberlove. Although I'm share cyberlove is over by it was a joint book which is sad ..."I got a notification for a pre-order of one of Barons 2 days back and did, so until it’s pulled, I’m assuming publication will still happen.
As for 5B though, no idea .
Cadiva wrote: "The latest post is an exercise in WTFuckery given that it's almost lifted from the bloody third Cyberlove book.http://santinohassell.com/the-other-p..."
"He" still doesn't address the fact that he took people's personal, private life stories for his own use in books, without their permission. Still waiting for something on that...
Zizzy wrote: "Erin wrote: "So like no one knows about the future books though ._. I just wanna know about the future of the 5B, barons and cyberlove. Although I'm share cyberlove is over by it was a joint book w..."As Berkley has officially cancelled the contract for the final two Barons books, I wouldn't be so sure.
https://twitter.com/BerkleyRomance/st...
haletostilinski wrote: "He" still doesn't address the fact that he took people's personal, private life stories for his own use in books, without their permission. Still waiting for something on that... .."
Indeed.
@ZizzyNobody is trying to physically stop you. We are trying to reason with you and present all the facts before you make your final decision.
But if you are calling invasion of privacy (stealing someone's life story to splash it all over the place and across the continents and profit from it), defrauding, manipulation and defamation "beautiful", than it stands to your character.
I only know that life is not so beautiful for Noah among other people because of what SH has done.
That said, there are two things I do not care for: SH's gender and their marital status.
And although I got rid of all of HS's published books in my possession, I kept ICoS (for now), which was written before the whole mess had began and which has a co-author. I will never review or rate it here on GR or on any other site/blog. Not sure if I even want to re-read it ever again. Definitely not buying anything new from SH. From now on I can never be sure SH's future books are not a violation of someone else's privacy.
Good day to you all.
Good day to you too, Santino.
I hope you can live with yourself and truly hope that one day you will be able to untangle yourself from your own web of lies and deceit and come out a better person. I do not feel sorry for you, but I do pity you. The mess is of your own doing and it must weigh a ton on your shoulders.
Тамрико wrote: "@ZizzyNobody is trying to physically stop you. We are trying to reason with you and present all the facts before you make your final decision.
But if you are calling invasion of privacy (stealin..."
Good for you.
This "non-apology" full of excuse, double talk, letter from Alicia is just the latest ploy in trying to get people to stay on as Patreon donors where you will get one chapter for 5 - 20 bucks a month...maybe more, maybe less...who knows, the lies can't be kept straight. I honestly could care less what their reasons or excuses are at this point, their gig is up. If they were human at all they would admit their wrong doing, quit trying to hide behind lies, and apologize to all the people they hurt by publishing very private and intimate details -- until then, everything else they spew is useless lies to try and keep the fans they have left. Those less than 300 Patrons who are still for some reason paying to support these scam artists. I just don't You get that. Find a different author who isn't out there scamming you and the entire community and read their work, you may find you enjoy it even more than these two frauds known as Alicia and Marvin.
God, some people are cold. By wanting to still read these stories, you put a book above a human being, above the hurt and the pain someone feels because of SH. I... I seriously don't get it.Have you for one second considered how you would feel? Just for one tiny second?
Imagined what it would feel like if someone you thought was your friend and whom you trusted, someone whom you told your secrets and your most private thoughts, would tell someone else all about it? And now imagine that your "friend" not only told one other person about it but thousands. Can you honestly say that, if this were you, you wouldn't feel humiliated and angry and that you wouldn't do everything you could to prevent even more people from knowing all about you? Sorry, I don't think so. But I guess if it isn't you it doesn't f*cking matter, right?
@JosyRead post #7. It tells you all. Personal satisfaction is apparently above all.
I believe we have a lost case here. Well, to each their own. I mean, even Putin has a crowd of die hard fans.
M'rella wrote: "@JosyRead post #7. It tells you all. The books and personal satisfaction is apparently above all.
I believe we have a lost case here. ..."
Yeah, I've read it :/
And it seems you are right. Guess you can't force a person to be empathetic or have a conscience.
Josy wrote: "M'rella wrote: "@JosyRead post #7. It tells you all. The books and personal satisfaction is apparently above all.
I believe we have a lost case here. ..."
Yeah, I've read it :/
And it seems you..."
No you cant and shouldn't even try. Just like I'm not forcing anyone to continue reading his work
Does anyone know where I could read this full post? When I click on the link to the full post on his website, there is nothing there. Has it been taken down?
Katie wrote: "Does anyone know where I could read this full post? When I click on the link to the full post on his website, there is nothing there. Has it been taken down?"This one's gone and they've made another apology that's anything but and is, funnily enough, entitled The Other Post
http://santinohassell.com/the-other-p...
Zizzy wrote: "Josy wrote: "M'rella wrote: "@JosyRead post #7. It tells you all. The books and personal satisfaction is apparently above all.
I believe we have a lost case here. ..."
Yeah, I've read it :/
And..."
Wow I love how you just admit "nope, you can't change my mind on having basic human decency and empathy." Which, by the way, is more important than what you buy or don't buy.
But some people really are that way. They're never gonna change no matter what, and they don't give a fuck about how gets hurt or who has been hurt, they just don't.
And you're right, nothing we can do about you and others continuing to buy SH. Have fun with that! :)
@JosyTBH I don't want to force anyone. You can't make or force a person to grow conscience.
@Zizzy
Like I said before, I am not twisting your arm or any other part of your body or mind to do anything. In my book, pardon the pun, you are already pretty twisted as it is.
haletostilinski wrote: "Zizzy wrote: "Josy wrote: "M'rella wrote: "@JosyRead post #7. It tells you all. The books and personal satisfaction is apparently above all.
I believe we have a lost case here. ..."
Yeah, I've ..."
Thanks !
M'rella wrote: "@JosyTBH I don't want to force anyone. You can't make or force a person to grow conscience.
@Zizzy
Like I said before, I am not twisting your arm or any other part of your body or mind to do any..."
Cool.
@ZizzyYou might want to follow this link to find out the future of SH's books:
https://www.goodreads.com/user_status...
I advise you against posting your pro-SH opinion if you decide to read the rest of the posts. As much as I personally dislike your stand on the subject, I don't want to see you being pecked to death.
M'rella wrote: "@ZizzyYou might want to follow this link to find out the future of SH's books:
https://www.goodreads.com/user_status...
I advise you again..."
I’d advise you to save your advice for those who probably need it. I haven’t advised you against posting anything.
M'rella wrote: "@JosyTBH I don't want to force anyone. You can't make or force a person to grow conscience. ..."
You are right! Lost cases like you said.
Cadiva wrote: This one's gone and they've made another apology that's anything but and is, funnily enough, entitled The Other Posthttp://santinohassell.com/the-other-p...
Thank you! This post is so baffling to me. I feel like it explains nothing and I don't even understand who was actually writing it. Regardless, definitely not a good apology, if it's even an apology at all.
