A meandering, firey talk with the beautiful Estelle Thomson. We began with one conversation and kept going for a set of three, she in her art studio and me in my third-floor closet.

We are sisters in grief and sass though we travel far beyond that, relevant (I hope!) for all of us in this second puberty phase of life riddled with so much change and doubt and stuckness and freedom. I am so happy to share part one.

Here’s how to listen:

Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/19J0y5rYDQHWWIb9dIyEHW...

Listen on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/.../episode-2.../id1482426999...

Listen on Estelle's Website: http://www.estellethomson.com/podcast