In the part-two podcast of my conversation with Estelle Thomson, we talk about triggers and my simultaneous experience with them and contempt for them. I’m cheerleading for anti-fragility, after all: the practice of facing the world head-on no matter what headspace we’re in. Hint: look to the mothers and how they manage a child’s tantrum. It’s all in the snacks and the naps.

Kate Inglis, author of Notes for the Everlost: A Field Guide to Grief and host Estelle Thomson continue a 3-part conversation on grief, body, triggers and creativity. We are back in Kate’s bedroom closet widening our lens on the nuances of grief: on cultivating fragility in an unjust world, the dark side of motherhood, shame and trauma triggers.

In this episode, we explore rage, the dualities in triggers, the search for equanimity. A fresh look on PTSD, the treasure chest that is scared and the sweetness of wounds. A must-listen!

—Estelle Thomson