National Book Award, PEN/Faulkner, Man Booker, Pulitzer, Whitbread, Prix Goncourt, IMPAC Dublin, and so on. This list is for NON-genre fiction: No Crime- SF- Fantasy- or Romance-Series, or series in general.
(Limited to post-1990 titles). SHORT LISTED ALSO ACCEPTABLE, but you have to really mean it.
(Limited to post-1990 titles). SHORT LISTED ALSO ACCEPTABLE, but you have to really mean it.
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Susanna wrote: "What is IMPAC?Is the Whitbread Prize an acceptable one?"
Bettie wrote: "IMPAC winners?"
The basic concept as I imagined it is what you might call "straight up" fiction, anything that literary societies around the world would consider "serious" fiction, though that doesn't mean it has to be solemn. Typically a book will get attention from several quarters at once. The thing we want to avoid is clones. We all have our guilty pleasures, but one-a-year crank-em-out formulaic fiction is the antithesis of what we want to see on this list. By sticking to Prize winners (& runners-up) we limit our voting to works already considered special by those who make their living in that world where writing is a fine-art form.
Susanna wrote: "What is IMPAC?Is the Whitbread Prize an acceptable one?"
Susanna, I've emended the description to include both Whitbread and IMPAC (Try Googling "IMPAC Dublin")
Hm. The Amber Spyglass is a Whitbread winner; but it's also "fantasy." Add it or not, LOL?ETA: Presumably also things like the Priz Goncourt winners; though I haven't read any of the recent winners.
Susanna wrote: "Hm. The Amber Spyglass is a Whitbread winner; but it's also "fantasy." Add it or not, LOL?ETA: Presumably also things like the Priz Goncourt winners; though I haven't read any of the recent win..."
ANY Prix Goncourt or Whitbread is eligible.....The essential premise of this list is that winners are somehow SINGULAR, but even here, Updike's Rabbit Quartet won prizes....Some committee who reads a lot, maybe even writes alot sat down and said something like "What is the BEST such-and-such book this year ?" They spent time on it, worked on it, thought about it, and so on. These committees are all searching for a work that STANDS OUT FOR SOME SORT OF RARE EXCELLENCE. At stake for them, too, is the very prestige of the award itself. If they consistently pick weak books (It happens sometimes), their voice will fade.
Which awards did Chuck Palahniuk's "Choke" and "Survivor" win? (I only found listings for "Fight Club" and "Lullaby.")
Lobstergirl wrote: "I removed "Confessions" because it's not fiction."So is The Secret History of the American Empire: Economic Hit Men, Jackals, and the Truth about Global Corruption. Removed that book as well.
Themis-Athena wrote: "Lobstergirl wrote: "I removed "Confessions" because it's not fiction."So is [book:The Secret History of the American Empire: Economic Hit Men, Jackals, and the Truth about Global Corruption|61117..."
Lobstergirl wrote: "I removed "Confessions" because it's not fiction."
I appreciate your work police-ing up this List, --L,T.
Themis-Athena wrote: "Which awards did Chuck Palahniuk's "Choke" and "Survivor" win? (I only found listings for "Fight Club" and "Lullaby.")"As far as I'm aware, those books are not award-winners.
What awards did Fight Club and Lullaby win? How about World War Z?
Susanna wrote: "Themis-Athena wrote: "Which awards did Chuck Palahniuk's "Choke" and "Survivor" win? (I only found listings for "Fight Club" and "Lullaby.")"As far as I'm aware, those books are not award-winner..."
I am of two minds about all the silliness that creeps into these lists. One is to run around stamping out brushfires, the other, to let a kite-tail of 1-vote wonders alone until some other jokester pushes it to 2 or 3. Whoever awarded Zombies Ubiquitous anything would do better to send the money to Haiti....where I'm told they DO have zombies.
HEY, OUT THERE ! IF YOU'RE PULLING MY CHAIN BECAUSE I SAID "NO VAMPIRES" please note my self-deprecating retraction.
Susanna wrote: "Themis-Athena wrote: "Which awards did Chuck Palahniuk's "Choke" and "Survivor" win? (I only found listings for "Fight Club" and "Lullaby.")"As far as I'm aware, those books are not award-winner..."
Actually, both have won awards (Pacific North-West Booksellers Association, etc.) but certainly not MAJOR awards. But LET THE PEOPLE VOTE etc. I guess I WOULD draw the line if Fox News started giving awards to Ann Coulter, but I hope that day never dawns.
Removed for not qualifying for the list:The Zombie Survival Guide: Recorded Attacks, by Max Brooks
The Zombie Survival Guide: Complete Protection from the Living Dead, by Max Brooks
Also, what the heck is an Audie Award when it's at home?
If it's only post-1990, then both "To Kill a Mockingbird" and Flannery O'Connor's "Complete Stories" will (alas) have to go. So will "A Death in the Family" ... (?)
Themis-Athena wrote: "If it's only post-1990, then both "To Kill a Mockingbird" and Flannery O'Connor's "Complete Stories" will (alas) have to go. So will "A Death in the Family" ... (?)"Right. And if you could remove them, I would be grateful. BTW, as a librarian, should I not also be able to de-list stuff ?
Removed "To Kill a Mockingbird" and "Billy Bathgate" (1989) -- the other two already seemed to have been deleted by someone else. And, yes, all librarians can remove books ... click on "edit" (at the end of your list description up top), and on the page then appearing click on "remove specific books." That will give you a version of the list with the option to remove individual books. You'll see a warning that you're only supposed to remove books if you're sure they have absolutely no business being on the list (or face harshest penalties) ... but the good news is that as the list's creator, it's your prerogative to determine what books should be on the list in the first place! :)
Susanna wrote: "... Also, what the heck is an Audie Award when it's at home?"The description given on GR says that Audies are "[a]wards recognizing distinction in audiobooks and spoken word entertainment sponsored by the Audio Publishers Association (APA)."
Sounds more like an award for the recording, not for the substantive content of the book (i.e., the actual fiction) to me?
Phillip wrote: ""Never Let Me Go" is incompatible with the "No CLONES" instruction. Something has to give..."
Ishiguru's great novel is a Clone ? Pray, biteth thou thy tongue, Philip. I see it as taking an old mold (the alternate history, "If this goes on") and breaking it, much as Hamlet greatly transcends the old Senecan Revenge Tragedy.
Thom wrote: "Phillip wrote: ""Never Let Me Go" is incompatible with the "No CLONES" instruction. Something has to give..."
Ishiguru's great novel is a Clone ? Pray, biteth thou thy tongue, Philip. I see it as..."
Yeah, but it deals with clones. I take it, though, the "no clones" rule applies not so much to a given book's contents as to the type of book?
Themis-Athena wrote: "Thom wrote: "Phillip wrote: ""Never Let Me Go" is incompatible with the "No CLONES" instruction. Something has to give..."
Ishiguru's great novel is a Clone ? Pray, biteth thou thy tongue, Philip..."
Oh. Apologies, Philip: Your British wit went over my verschlagener American head.
Should Troubles (currently #73) be on here? Or The Lieutenant (currently # 115)?Different question :-) : How about Vogel Award Winners (Australian)? Or the Dutch AKO and Libris Award winners? I haven't added any even though the two Dutch awards are major ones in a small country like the Netherlands...
Booklovinglady wrote: "Should Troubles (currently #73) be on here? Or The Lieutenant (currently # 115)?Different question :-) : How about Vogel Award Winners (Australian)? Or the Dutch AKO and Libris Award winners? I h..."
My philosophy for this list says go ahead and ADD THEM. And BTW, are there awards in Iceland ? Bulgaria ? Lilongwe ? Maseru ? Bangui ? Let's seek to broaden our view. "Correctness" takes a back seat, IMO.
There are a number of books here that qualify as genre fiction. I presume they are on the list because the authors are not usually considered genre writers. This comes across as not excluding books by category of books but by categorizing authors.I can understand limiting eligibility to non-genre awards. If that was the intent this should be made explicit.
I note Cormac McCarthy is best known for his genre books including the 2 I noticed on this list.
The Prize by Yergin is nonfiction.
I just wanted to thank the people of this list. It’s the first list that seems appropriately described, and it’s also the first time a thread has made me feel to vindicated and validated for what (I assume) others might regard as snobbery or entitlement when suggesting some titles might not belong on a particular list. There are even people running verification searches!You’ve given me some desperately needed hope for the recognition of ‘literature’.
Just, thank you nerds <3
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