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  • #1
    C.S. Lewis
    “Gran parte de una desgracia cualquiera consiste, por así decirlo, en la sombra de la desgracia, en la reflexión sobre ella. Es decir en el hecho de que no se limite uno a sufrir, sino que se vea obligado a seguir considerando el hecho de que sufre.”
    C.S. Lewis, A Grief Observed

  • #2
    Daniel Quinn
    “But why? Why do you need prophets to tell you how you ought to live? Why do you need anyone to tell you how you ought to live”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael

  • #3
    Daniel Quinn
    “There is no one right way to live.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael

  • #4
    Daniel Quinn
    “I have amazing news for you. Man is not alone on this planet. He is part of a community, upon which he depends absolutely.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #5
    Daniel Quinn
    “Once you learn to discern the voice of Mother Culture humming in the background, telling her story over and over again to the people of your culture, you’ll never stop being conscious of it. Wherever you go for the rest of your life, you’ll be tempted to say to the people around you, “how can you listen to this stuff and not recognize it for what it is?”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael

  • #6
    Daniel Quinn
    “Everyone in your culture knows this. Man was born to turn the world into paradise, but tragically he was born flawed. And so his paradise has always been spoiled by stupidty, greed, destructiveness, and shortsightedness.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #7
    Daniel Quinn
    “In fact, of course, there is no secret knowledge; no one knows anything that can't be found on a shelf in the public library.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #8
    Daniel Quinn
    “It's the idea that people living close to nature tend to be noble. It's seeing all those sunsets that does it. You can't watch a sunset and then go off and set fire to your neighbor's tepee. Living close to nature is wonderful for your mental health.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #9
    Daniel Quinn
    “A week ago," Ishmael said, "when we were talking about laws, you said that there's only one kind of law about how people should live--the kind that can be changed by a vote. What do you think now? Can the laws that govern competition in the community be changed by a vote?"

    "No. But they're not absolutes, like the laws of aerodynamics. They can be broken."

    "Can't the laws of aerodynamics be broken?"

    "No. If your plane isn't built according to the law, it doesn't fly."

    "But if you push it off a cliff, it stays in the air, doesn't it?"

    "For a while."

    "The same is true of a civilization that isn't built in accordance with the law of limited competition... Any species that, as a matter of policy, exempts itself from the law of limited competition will end by destroying the community..."

    "Yes."

    "Then what have we discovered here?"

    "We've discovered a piece of certain knowledge about how people ought to live. Must live in fact."

    "The law we've outlined here enables species to live--enables species to survive, including the human. It won't tell you whether mood-altering drugs should be legalized or not. It won't tell you whether premarital sex is good or bad. It won't tell you if capital punishment is right or wrong. It *will* tell you how you have to live if you want to avoid extinction, and that's the first and most fundamental knowledge anyone needs... You might say that this is one of the law's basic operations: Those who threaten the stability of the community by defying the law automatically eliminate themselves.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #10
    Daniel Quinn
    “If there are forty thousand people in an area that can only support thirty thousand, it's no kindness to bring in food from the outside to maintain them at forty thousand. That just guarantees that the famine will continue."

    "True. But all the same, it's hard just to sit by and let them starve."

    "This is precisely how someone speaks who imagines that he is the world's divinely appointed ruler: 'I will not *let* them starve. I will not *let* the drought come. I will not *let* the river flood.' It is the gods who *let* these things, not you.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #11
    Daniel Quinn
    “There is a difference between the inmates of your criminal prisons and the inmates of your cultural prison: The former understand that the distribution of wealth and power inside the prison had nothing to do with justice.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #12
    Daniel Quinn
    “The world of the Takers is one vast prison, and except for a handful of Leavers scattered across the world, the entire human race is now inside that prison. [...] Naturally a well-run prison must have a prison industry. I'm sure you see why."
    "Well... it helps to keep the inmates busy, I suppose. Takes their minds off the boredom and futility of their lives."
    "Yes. Can you name yours?"
    "Our prison industry? Not offhand. I suppose it's obvious."
    "Quite obvious, I would say."
    I gave it some thought. "Consuming the world."
    Ishmael nodded. "Got it on the first try.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #13
    Daniel Quinn
    “This is precisely how someone speaks who imagines that he is the world's divinely appointed ruler: 'I will not LET them starve. I will not LET the drought come. I will not LET the river flood.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #14
    Daniel Quinn
    “What he had to tell them was a story”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #15
    Daniel Quinn
    “Many peoples practiced agriculture, but they were never obsessed by the delusion that what they were doing was *right*, that everyone in the entire world had to practice agriculture, that every last square yard of the planet had to be devoted to it...

    If they got tired of being agriculturalists, if they found they didn't like where it was leading them in their particular adaptation, they were *able* to give it up. They didn't say to themselves, 'Well, we've got to keep going at this even if it kills us, because its the *right* way to live.' For example, there was once a people who constructed a vast network of irrigation canals in order to farm the deserts of what is now southeastern Arizona. They maintained these canals for three thousand years and built a fairly advanced civilization, but in the end they were free to say, 'This is a toilsome and unsatisfying way to live, so to hell with it.' They simply walked away from the whole thing and put it so totally out of mind that we don't even know what they called themselves. The only name we have for them is the one the Pima Indians gave them: Hohokam--those who vanished.

    But it's not going to be this easy for the Takers. It's going to be hard as hell for them to give it up, because what they're doing is *right*... Giving it up would mean that all along they'd been *wrong*. It would mean they'd *never* known how to rule the world. It would mean relinquishing their pretensions to godhood.... It would mean spitting out the fruit of that tree and giving the rule of the world back to the gods.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #16
    Daniel Quinn
    “This is considered almost holy work by farmers and ranchers. Kill off everything you can't eat. Kill off anything that eats what you eat. Kill off anything that doesn't feed what you eat."

    "It IS holy work, in Taker culture. The more competitors you destroy, the more humans you can bring into the world, and that makes it just about the holiest work there is. Once you exempt yourself from the law of limited competition, everything in the world except your food and the food of your food becomes an enemy to be exterminated.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #17
    Daniel Quinn
    “You're captives of a civilizational system that more or less compels you to go on destroying the world in order to live... I think there are many among you who would be glad to release the world from captivity... This is what prevents them: They're unable to find the bars of the cage.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #18
    Daniel Quinn
    “[N]ow we have a clearer idea what this story is all about: The world was made for man, and man was made to rule it.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #19
    Daniel Quinn
    “If the world was made for us, then it BELONGS to us and we can do what we damn well please with it.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #20
    Daniel Quinn
    “This law … defines the limits of competition in the community of life. You may compete to the full extent of your capabilities, but you may not hunt down your competitors or destroy their food or deny them access to food. In other words, you may compete but you may not wage war.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #21
    Daniel Quinn
    “Guess what? The Nazis didn't lose the war after all. They won it and flourished. They took over the world and wiped out every last Jew, every last Gypsy, black, East Indian, and American Indian. Then, when they were finished with that, they wiped out the Russians and the Poles and the Bohemians and the Moravians and the Bulgarians and the Serbians and the Croatians--all the Slavs. Then they started in on the Polynesians and the Koreans and the Chinese and the Japanese--all the peoples of Asia. This took a long, long time, but when it was all over, everyone in the world was one hundred percent Aryan, and they were all very, very happy. Naturally the textbooks used in the schools no longer mentioned any race but the Aryan or any language but German or any religion but Hitlerism or any political system but National Socialism. There would have been no point. After a few generations of that, no one could have put anything different into the textbooks even if they'd wanted to, because they didn't know anything different. But one day, two young students were conversing at the University of New Heidelberg in Tokyo. Both were handsome in the usual Aryan way, but one of them looked vaguely worried and unhappy. That was Kurt. His friend said, "What's wrong, Kurt? Why are you always moping around like this?" Kurt said, "I'll tell you, Hans. There is something that's troubling me--and troubling me deeply." His friend asked what it was. "It's this," Kurt said. "I cannot shake the crazy feeling that there is some small thing that we're being lied to about." And that's how the paper ended.'
    Ishmael nodded thoughtfully. 'And what did your teacher think of that?'
    'He wanted to know if I had the same crazy feeling as Kurt. When I said I did, he wanted to know what I thought we were being lied to about. I said, 'How could I know? I'm no better off than Kurt.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #22
    Daniel Quinn
    “....he began to speak to me, not in the jocular way of visitors to the menagerie but rather as one speaks to the wind or to the waves crashing on a beach, uttering that which must be said but which must not be heard by anyone.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #23
    Daniel Quinn
    “Diversity is a survival factor for the community itself. A community of a hundred million species can survive almost anything short of a global catastrophe.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #24
    Daniel Quinn
    “[Y]our agricultural revolution is not an event like the Trojan War, isolated in the distant past and without relevance to your lives today. The work begun by those neolithic farmers in the Near East has been carried forward from one generation to the next without a single break, right into the present moment. It's the foundation of your vast civilization today in exactly the same way that it was the foundation of the very first farming village.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #25
    Daniel Quinn
    “This story takes place a half a billion years ago-an inconceivably long time ago, when this planet would be all but recognizable to you. Nothing at all stirred on the land except the wind and the dust. Not a single blade of grass waved in the wind, not a single cricket chirped, not a single bird soared in the sky. All these things were tens of millions of years away in the future.
    But of course there was an anthropologist on hand. What sort of world would it be without an anthropologist? He was, however a very depressed and disillusioned anthropologist, for he'd been everywhere on the planet looking for someone to interview, and every tape in his knapsack was as blank as the sky. But one day as he was moping alongside the ocean he saw what seemed to be a living creature in the shallows off shore. It was nothing to brag about, just sort of a squishy blob, but it was the only prospect he'd seen in all his journeys, so he waded out to where it was bobbing in the waves.
    He greeted the creature politely and was greeted in kind, and soon the two of them were good friends. The anthropologist explained as well as he could that he was a student of life-styles and customs, and begged his new friend for information of this sort, which was readily forthcoming. ‘And now’, he said at last, ‘I'd like to get on tape in your own words some of the stories you tell among yourselves.’
    ‘Stories?’ the other asked.
    ‘You know, like your creation myth, if you have one.’
    ‘What is a creation myth?’ the creature asked.
    ‘Oh, you know,’ the anthropologist replied, ‘the fanciful tale you tell your children about the origins of the world.’
    Well, at this, the creature drew itself up indignantly- at least as well as a squishy blob can do- and replied that his people had no such fanciful tale.
    ‘You have no account of creation then?’
    ‘Certainly we have an account of creation,’ the other snapped. ‘But its definitely not a myth.’
    ‘Oh certainly not,’ the anthropologist said, remembering his training at last. ‘Ill be terribly grateful if you share it with me.’
    ‘Very well,’ the creature said. ‘But I want you to understand that, like you, we are a strictly rational people, who accept nothing that is not based on observation, logic, and scientific method.’
    ‘"Of course, of course,’ the anthropologist agreed.
    So at last the creature began its story. ‘The universe,’ it said, ‘was born a long, long time ago, perhaps ten or fifteen billion years ago. Our own solar system-this star, this planet, and all the others- seem to have come into being some two or three billion years ago. For a long time, nothing whatever lived here. But then, after a billion years or so, life appeared.’
    ‘Excuse me,’ the anthropologist said. ‘You say that life appeared. Where did that happen, according to your myth- I mean, according to your scientific account.’
    The creature seemed baffled by the question and turned a pale lavender. ‘Do you mean in what precise spot?’
    ‘No. I mean, did this happen on land or in the sea?’
    ‘Land?’ the other asked. ‘What is land?’
    ‘Oh, you know,’ he said, waving toward the shore, ‘the expanse of dirt and rocks that begins over there.’
    The creature turned a deeper shade of lavender and said, ‘I cant imagine what you're gibbering about. The dirt and rocks over there are simply the lip of the vast bowl that holds the sea.’
    ‘Oh yes,’ the anthropologist said, ‘I see what you mean. Quite. Go on.’
    ‘Very well,’ the other said. ‘For many millions of centuries the life of the world was merely microorganisms floating helplessly in a chemical broth. But little by little, more complex forms appeared: single-celled creatures, slimes, algae, polyps, and so on.’
    ‘But finally,’ the creature said, turning quite pink with pride as he came to the climax of his story, ‘but finally jellyfish appeared!”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #26
    Daniel Quinn
    “No one species shall make the life of the world its own.' … That's one expression of the law. Here's another: 'The world was not made for any one species.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #27
    Daniel Quinn
    “Diversity is a survival factor for the community itself. A community of a hundred million species can survive anything short of total global catastrophe. Within that hundred million will be thousands that could survive a global temperature drop of twenty degrees—which would be a lot more devastating than it sounds. Within that hundred million will be thousands that could survive a global temperature rise of twenty degrees. But a community of a hundred species or a thousand species has almost no survival value at all.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #28
    Daniel Quinn
    “[T]he price you've paid is not the price of becoming human. It's not even the price of having the things you just mentioned. It's the price of enacting a story that casts mankind as the enemy of the world.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #29
    Daniel Quinn
    “The sign stopped me-- or rather, this text stopped me. Words are my profession; I seized these and demanded that they explain themselves, that they cease to be ambiguous.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

  • #30
    Daniel Quinn
    “Exactly. That's what's been happening here for the past ten thousand years: You've been doing what you damn well please with the world. And of course you mean to go right on doing what you damn well please with it, because the whole damn thing belongs to you.”
    Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit



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