No Boundary Proposal Quotes

“We will start with Hawking's few quotations.

“The quantum theory of gravity has opened up a new possibility, in which there would be no boundary to spacetime and so there would be no need to specify the behavior at the boundary. There would be no singularities at which the laws of science broke down and no edge of spacetime at which one would have to appeal to God or some new law to set the boundary conditions for spacetime. One could say: ‘The boundary condition of the universe is that it has no boundary.’ The universe would be completely self-contained and not affected by anything outside itself. It would neither be created nor destroyed. It would just BE.”

Or, in the same manner: “There ought to be something very special about the boundary conditions of the universe, and what can be more special than the condition that there is no boundary?” Also, he stated, “According to the no-boundary proposal, asking what came before the Big Bang is meaningless—like asking what is south of the South Pole—because there is no notion of time available to refer to. The concept of time only exists within our universe.”

The “no-boundary proposal” is a classic example of a device called in Latin, Deus ex machina—God from the machine, invented by the ancient Greek dramatists Aeschylus and Euripides. The primary purpose of the device was to resolve the irresolvable.

The question of what came before the Big Bang is not meaningless. We cannot accept that our Big Bang is the beginning of all existence. Since there is "no notion of time available to refer to," that does not mean there is nothing to refer to. This reasoning is a logical fallacy based on the idea that there should be nothing to refer to if there is no time to refer to it. This kind of reasoning falsifies reality to fit the argument. For this statement to be accurate, there must be proof that there is nothing to refer to, not "no notion of time to refer to." The lack of notion of time to refer to or its availability is not proof that there is nothing to refer to, but only that there is no notion of time to refer to and that it is not available. The lack of availability is only proof that something is not available to someone but not proof that nothing exists beyond the “point” where “time” stops. If Something, the Being, the Universal Source of Everything, is not available or approachable in any way by some particular scientist, that does not mean that the Universal Source of Everything (the Absolute) does not exist beyond the physical world.

In this sense, the no-boundary proposal is a boundary proposal of a different kind. Since it is impossible to speculate about abstract concepts or ideas, such as God, Absolute, or Universal Source, it is easier to invent some trick (pardon my language), with all due respect, to compensate for the lack of understanding of the most abstract ideas and to compensate for the limitations of a frame of mind of any particular scientist or philosopher. In this case, the no-boundary proposal precisely serves the purpose of a boundary—to limit the world to the point where “time stops” and declare that there is nothing beyond because time stops there. That should mean that the laws of nature and science stop at this artificially produced boundary. But what do we have as proof that this is true? Precisely like in religions, we have words that sound seductively beautiful and convincing. Also, to a large extent, these words are supported by scientific knowledge and investigation. Yet, they are just words, and in no way do they prove that there is no immaterial Universal Source beyond the “point” where time stops.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“Hawking’s insistence on scientific laws hides the desire to transform the current scientific laws into the ultimate and absolute knowledge of everything, physical and metaphysical, of this world and the outer world. According to him, we are on the verge of declaring, with almost absolute certainty, that we have solved the whole enigma of existence and gone down to nearly the deepest end of science and scientific laws. Although he expressed many ideas in a simple, popular, and often funny way, there is a little bit of unjustifiable scientific conceit (to call it that way) behind some statements.

If we were to imagine the creative force capable of creating the Universe, this creative force would be out of time or eternal. The Eternal Being is not contingent or affected by the boundaries of the physical world. The no-boundary proposal is accurate in that there are no boundaries we can apply to the Eternal Being. Still, the Universe, as the Being with its beginning, is bounded by time. The first point of the Universe is its first limit; it would have no limits if it were a timeless Being. Even if there were a series of births and rebirths, these would still be limited creations or recreations of something eternal that creates or recreates itself through the creation of universes. The creative power of the Eternal Being is the ultimate force that keeps the Eternal Being alive. The only way for the Eternal Being to exist with meaning is through its creative power to rejuvenate itself in new ways and myriad forms constantly. The Creator is its creation, and the creation creates the creator in a deeper sense. Without creating, the Universal Being loses its purpose and becomes meaningless. Meaning is only possible in plurality. The World, or Universe, gives the Universal Being meaning and purpose. The world is its salvation.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“Everything or anything before the Big Bang does not obey the laws of physics and is not necessarily compatible with our understanding and views of the world. We do not mean that there is nothing before the Big Bang, but that we can hardly understand what is hidden before it (we can only use our abstract thoughts to imagine it). As we explained in other parts of this book, we cannot look at time in the same way from the perspective of the “physical” world as from the perspective of an immaterial world. Neither space nor time exists in the nonmaterial world. Space and time are categories we deal with only in the “physical” world.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“Whatever has a beginning is not eternal. What is not eternal must have come from "somewhere." The worst thing is to try to prove something, counting on the idea that it came from nothing. It is also as unscientific as it can get. No chaos theory can prove this reasoning, and no "butterfly effect" can prove it because nothing is only nothing and cannot be anything else except nothing. Nothingness cannot move the Nothing or create from nothing.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“The idea of infinite regress is absurd. The question of God cannot be reduced to a cosmological argument either. The ultimate question of reality is if there is something or not. If we agree that there is something, then the question is if that something can come into existence from nothing. Wouldn't it be more logical that there is just nothing? But just the idea that there is nothing implies, at least linguistically, that nothing is something; otherwise, we would not use the words ‘there is.’ Again, language demonstrates how limited it is.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“We should conclude that this Nothing is eternal. To prove that Something is not eternal, we would have to prove that this Something just appeared from nowhere and became something. The burden of proof here lies on atheists to demonstrate how something came into existence from nothing. This burden is the same one Bertrand Russell tried to impose on theists, deists, or any believer. Why would believers be burdened with the burden of proving God and disbelievers get away without proving how Something, whatever we choose to call it—God, Universe, World, came to be?”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“That the matter originated just by itself or was always "there" in the form of "energy" and organized itself into superbly sophisticated organisms forming the Universe borders on insanity. We can, perhaps, all (both atheists and those who believe in a higher source) agree that there always was Something. The question is how we define this Something. It is much easier to prove that the Something always existed than to prove the opposite. Scientists can deal with this Something more easily because, moving back, step by step, scientists will come to nothing. When they come to nothing, the "spotless spot" before the Big Bang, they will have to scientifically explain how all the reality, the whole of what we think the "Universe" is, was contained within an immeasurable "spotless spot." Once they find the answer, they will understand that this "spotless spot" from which everything originated is immaterial and spaceless. This immaterial Being is the Creator of all reality and is the reality itself. Plotinus would call this reality intelligence or mind.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“We provided the frame from which scientists can prove that matter is a construct, program, and “instruction” of the Universal Mind and that the same program predetermines our perception. Our understanding of the world is contingent upon our experience, cognition, and perception (tertiary quality in my system of thought), which is contingent upon the secondary in my system of thought (originally, primary quality) since there is no matter as we perceive it or conceptualize it. There is no matter as such.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“Religious thinking is more accurate in realizing there can be no creation without the mover. Zero point is the "first" point. This zero point is something. It did not come from nothing. The World, as a "physical reality," has its physical and temporal beginning, but the force empowering it, the Universal Mind, is out of time, so there can be no notion of time to refer to before the Big Bang.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“The comment about the South of South Pole is a logical fallacy because it presupposes nothing existed before the Big Bang. The Entity before the Big Bang is not comparable to what is south of the South Pole. The idea that we do not understand that there is something "North, South, East, and West" of the Big Bang does not mean that these "North, South, East, and West" do not exist in a way incomprehensible to our limited cognitive powers, senses, and based on limited scientific discoveries. That which lies beyond time and space and is the source of everything we see cannot be referenced only by the too-simplistic and sometimes semi-humorous means. Our language and words or terms describing the sides of the “physical world” are limited if we want to apply them to the metaphysical, immaterial realm beyond space and time. In no way does this kind of reasoning or “arguments” prove that the Universal Source of Everything does not exist. I have chosen to call this Source of Everything, known and unknown, the Universal Mind. In our sense of the word, there is no space before the Big Bang, and there are no sides of any kind, not to mention sides of the World. South of the South Pole is just Nothingness from a physical point of view. There are no sides of the world in the primordial Nothingness or the Absolute Vacuum. At the same time, this Nothingness “hides” immaterial Being, the Universal Source of everything.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“No Need for Time Before the Creation of the World

Here is one more quotation representative of the way Stephen Hawking thought:
“The role played by time at the beginning of the Universe is, I believe, the final key to removing the need for a grand designer and revealing how the Universe created itself. As we travel back in time towards the moment of the Big Bang, the Universe gets smaller and smaller and smaller, until it finally comes to a point where the whole Universe is a space so small that it is in effect a single infinitesimally small, infinitesimally dense black hole. And just as with modern-day black holes, floating around in space, the laws of nature dictate something quite extraordinary. They tell us that here too time itself must come to a stop. You can’t get to a time before the Big Bang because there was no time before the Big Bang. We have finally found something that doesn’t have a cause, because there was no time for a cause to exist in. For me this means that there is no possibility of a creator, because there is no time for a creator to have existed in. People want answers to the big questions, like why we are here. They don’t expect the answers to be easy, so they are prepared to struggle a bit. When people ask me if a God created the Universe, I tell them that the question itself makes no sense. Time didn’t exist before the Big Bang so there is no time for God to make the Universe in. It’s like asking for directions to the edge of the Earth—the Earth is a sphere that doesn’t have an edge, so looking for it is a futile exercise.”

In its absolute state, beyond the World, the Being is immaterial, and the Nonbeing is an absolute vacuum, nothingness, or emptiness.
In the primordial state of the Absolute, the Being and the Nonbing become the same—the Nonbeing.

There is no time or space in the absolute realm beyond the World.

Timeless “time” is the potential for Eternity. Eternity is beyond time because it is all time, past and future.

Spaceless “space” or nothingness is the infinite potential for space. Infinity is beyond space because infinity is all space, past and future.

Creation or recreation of the World (Universe) activates the two poles of the Absolute.

Creation of the World is the salvation of the Absolute.

Absolute is absolute potential.

The activity of the Being enveloping the Nonbeing (Nothingness) transforms the Being and the Nonbeing into the World (Universe).

When the Absolute transforms into the World, the Being becomes positive, and the Nonbeing becomes negative.

The Being is positive “energy.”

The Nonbeing is negative “energy.”

Zero is the point of equilibrium between the Being and the Nonbeing.

Zero is the passage (wormhole) between the primordial state of the Absolute and the World or Universe.

Before the spacetime continuum, plus and minus are the same: + = –

Before the creation, Absolute is 0 (+ – = 0)

At the point of the World Creation, the Being envelopes the Nonbeing: + 0 –

The Being cannot envelop the whole of the Nonbeing because Nothingness is infinite in its potential.

The Being is infinite in its potential, too.

(+ [plus] is the Being; – [minus] the Nonbeing; 0 [Zero] is the Absolute)

The primordial state of the Absolute is immaterial, spaceless, and timeless.

The primordial state of the Absolute is absolute potential.

In its potential, the Absolute is infinite and eternal.

Absolute can only exercise its potential and power in the infinite number of possibilities and universes or worlds it can transform into.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“The primordial state of the Absolute is immaterial, spaceless, and timeless.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“The primordial state of the Absolute is absolute potential.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“In its potential, the Absolute is infinite and eternal.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“Absolute can only exercise its potential and power in the infinite number of possibilities and universes or worlds it can transform into.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“The power of “negative energy” is the power of the Nonbeing or Nothingness, and the power of “positive energy” is the power of the Being.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“Universal Source and universal potential are always beyond space and time and do not abide by human scientific laws. Still, this does not mean that, potentially, humans may not acquire abilities to solve the biggest mysteries within the boundaries of the existing Universe we are aware of or of the much larger Universe this one is only part of. Even the secrets hidden beyond the “point” where time stops may be potentially solved, at least by abstract thinking, which can be a vast and valuable source for the further development and enrichment of scientific laws and humans as a species.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“There is no need for time before creation because the Universe is not created in advance and thrown into the abyss of nothingness. No, the World’s creation starts precisely with space, which is also the creation of time. Instead of stating that there is no need for the creator when time stops, we say that before the creation, there was no need for time because the World had no “physical” appearance then. The Universe is the physical appearance in the spacetime continuum of its metaphysical, immaterial essence beyond the spacetime continuum. This “physical” appearance is only an illusion. However, this illusion is even more real than if it were really and strictly physical without any programming and interconnectedness between the three kinds of qualities or modes making up the reality we experience.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“We cannot hide behind science nor talk in the name of science while proclaiming statements that are not scientific. Such statements are that there is no creator if there is no time. However, this is only a statement a scientist (Stephen Hawking) uses, not a scientific argument or fact with scientific validity. The same goes for the south of the South Pole because such a statement is a logical fallacy based on the presupposition that there is nothing south of the South Pole, meaning there is absolutely nothing beyond some point of the material World, which is only a presupposition and not a scientific or natural law. Such statements may sound like analytic or logical propositions. Still, these are not analytic or logical propositions but methods or tricks to cover up the loopholes of scientific knowledge and understanding with dogmatic statements.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“We may accept the idea that natural laws govern everything in the Universe and that these laws are in some way absolute. Still, we cannot hide behind scientific laws before explaining them. According to Hawking, scientific laws may be enough for our understanding of the World. His implicit message is that the Creator is not needed. Such statements could have been valid if scientific laws were absolute and scientists, including Hawking, resolved the mystery of existence, the Universe, and the origin and future of everything. Since that is not the case, no scientist can replace the idea of the Creator just by insufficient scientific knowledge. Only a scientist or scientists (or anybody) with absolute knowledge can dethrone the Creator if there is such complete knowledge (scientific or otherwise), proving that there is nothing beyond the “point” where time stops. Unfortunately, this kind of knowledge and understanding does not yet exist. The purpose of science is not to push the Creator out of the picture but to improve, define, and redefine scientific laws in its pursuit of truth.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“We must redefine and come to a consensus on what God (Creator) is and what creation and recreating is. When we do this, we may make the gap between believers and atheists smaller, and we may realize that faith and atheism are compatible. The major incompatibility comes from the preprogrammed thinking and concepts based on religious books. Most of these concepts humanity accepted without real consideration and analysis, betting on the idea of a God that I call the stolen God. A stolen God is not a “real” God and cannot be used against the “real” God if it exists. The idea of a stolen God gains most of its power from the fear of millions or billions of human beings belonging to the major monotheistic religions.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“Based on my theory, the Absolute, Supreme Being consists of the Being and the Nonbeing. The Being is part of the Absolute and is not absolute, but the Being is that which was traditionally considered God. The creation of the World is almost equally contingent upon the Being as it is upon the Nonbeing (nothingness). Not only can God not be omnipotent without the Nonbeing or absolute void, but the World’s creation depends almost equally upon these two poles of the Absolute. The Being is the positive pole of the Absolute, and the Nonbeing is the negative. Zero (0) is the wormhole between the Absolute immaterial realm of reality and material reality or the Universe. The Zero, as such, is the Source of Potential Infinity, the Perpetual Motion Machine of Existence, and, in a way, the Absolute itself.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“The Creation of the World or Omniverse is the Creation or Recreation of the Absolute itself through the two poles, two “sides” of its Self, the Being and the Nonbeing. Without the creating, everything is the Nonbeing. Creating is the Savior of the Absolute and the Being. Otherwise, everything transforms into absolute Nothingness or Nonbeing. Since creating is the recreation of the Creator, it is the activation of the absolute potential to recreate itself in a new way.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“No time or space exists beyond the Universe and “physical” World.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“The spacetime continuum is the worldly reality.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“Zero is Absolute

+ = B (the Being or God)

– = N (the Nonbeing or Nothingness)

+ – (Being-Nonbeing) = 0 (the Absolute)

At the moment of creation, the Being envelopes the Nonbeing and transforms into the World through the wormhole of Zero. That is the creation of the World or “partial” transformation of the metaphysical into “physical,” although the physical is only an appearance (illusion).”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE

“Zero is Absolute Potential

In the metaphysical state:

Zero is the present.

Zero is the representation of the infinite and the eternal.

Zero is the passage from the metaphysical to the “physical” realm at the moment of creation. At this point, the infinite and eternal transform into the categories of the spacetime world.

Zero is also a passage from the past to the future. At this point, the present stops because the present is eternal. The present is only a passage from the past to the future and is only possible in spacetime.

How we see and perceive past and future, or time in a physical sense, exists only in the physical World. Beyond this World is a metaphysical World where there is no spacetime continuum. At this point, time stops.

When the spacetime continuum stops or disappears, past and future disappear, and all past and future are in an absolute Zero as Absolute Potential. All time and space are in Absolute Zero, which is infinite and eternal. Only this Absolute Zero beyond the spacetime continuum is absolute time, which is present, and absolute space, which is nothingness.

Zero in the metaphysical realm is Potential. We may call it, conditionally, passive Zero.
Zero in the spacetime realm is active Zero. In this realm, the present is only a passage from the past to the future. When time stops, it becomes absolute present, which is absolute time or eternity. The Source of all time and space is beyond time and space.”
― Dejan Stojanovic, ABSOLUTE