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Are you pro-life or pro-choice? This subject could get delicate, so I'll delete it if people start to get offended.

I think that it's a woman's choice if she wants to abort her baby or not. And no one know's exactly why she choses to. Maybe she got raped and the kid would remind her of that everyday. Maybe they are too young to be a parent and can't afford adoption. Maybe they are simply an unfit parent. Either way it is their choice and no one's place to judge.

Damieka wrote: "I think that it's a woman's choice if she wants to abort her baby or not. And no one know's exactly why she choses to. Maybe she got raped and the kid would remind her of that everyday. Maybe they ..."

I agree completely. It's really not anyone's issue besides the mother and the father. They might have their reasons. Some might not be the best reasons and that's where it's wrong but otherwise I think it's completely fine.

*Ahem*

Just everyone knows, there's a latest thing called condoms cool, right? And it's made for a reason. I get it, women wants to do-it, but that doesn't mean it can't be safe and fun at the same time? Dear reader that plans on doing this anytime soon, if you have a baby in your tummy, blame it on yourself, your resposible now. Or, you can give adoption; another latest thing! You wanna do it and not be pregnant, get your mate a condom, or don't do it at all. Unless, one gets raped, then that's an excepton. Otherwise, abortion is just an abhorring and crap to be invented.
No hate people, that's my opinion, and I love babies. LOVE.

Pearl Ozera wrote: "*Ahem*
Just everyone knows, there's a latest thing called condoms cool, right? And it's made for a reason. I get it, women wants to do-it, but that doesn't mean it can't be safe and fun at the sam..."

I totally understand your point although I may not agree with it but all I'm saying is what if she got raped. And she's like only 16 or something? Then she couldn't have told him to put on a condom because it was not her choice to have sex. Not trying to start an arguement, just making a point.

I do not really agree with abortion but if a girl got pregnant and it was out of her control such as being raped than abortion is a better option if she is not ready or does not want to take care of a child. If a girl got pregnant and it was in her control such as just choosing not to use condoms than I do not think she should do abortion. Abortion is killing a living person even if they are not breathing. That baby has a different soul, DNA, and will. I am not saying having a abortion makes you a bad person I just do not agree with it.

Damieka wrote: "Pearl Ozera wrote: "*Ahem*
Just everyone knows, there's a latest thing called condoms cool, right? And it's made for a reason. I get it, women wants to do-it, but that doesn't mean it can't be saf..."

I mentioned the "raped" part.

Whether or not rape was the case, abortion cannot and should not be an option. Abortion is murder, and intrinsically evil. Abortion has no valid excuse. It's not only killing another person, but it's extremely dangerous for the woman, and harms her mentally and emotionally for the rest of her life. The statistics, which I can quote if y'all need it, show how staggeringly high the likelihood of a woman who received an abortion to get depressed, have relationship trouble, divorce, commit suicide, premature births, miscarriages... The list goes on and on. Abortion hurts women so badly. I wish it didn't exist not only because of the 3500 babies dying from in EVERY DAY IN AMERICA ALONE! But because it hurts all the women who go through it for the rest of their lives. If you have had an abortion, or are considering it, TALK TO ME! I can hook you up with resources that won't cost you a cent, with people who truly want to help you!

My point is...there are other ways to handle a situation like this.

Exactly. You can have the baby, there are plenty of resources to help women, single or not, raise their baby by giving them housing, financial assistance, daycare, WHATEVER IS NEEDED. Abortion isn't eliminating the problem, it's only making it worse.

I know I would get an abortion if I were faced with this problem, because what else would I do? I'm thirteen years old, and who would take care of the baby? Not my parents, and not me, and the baby would be a constant reminder of everything bad that had happened to me. sure, you could give your baby up for adoption, but that would still bother me. And even though a lot of babies die this way, the world is getting overpopulated. This isn't my point at all, I'm just saying this is a small factor in it. also, I understand what you pro-life people are saying, but I think that what a woman chooses to do with her baby and her body is not the government's business.

Did you know that of the abortion fails, and the baby is delivered live, the doctor is charged with first degree murder should they try to finish what they botched up?

That even if a pregnant woman is walking into an abortion clinic, about to receive an abortion, she has the appointment and has payed and everything, and a gunman shoots her and kills her, the gunman is charged with two murders? Even though the woman had already planned on eliminating that child, the judicial system still sees the gunman guilty of taking two lives illegally, even though one was already slated for "death row".

So, why is this? Why is it that despite the fact that in both the situations, a legal abortion would have occurred, something changes, and all of the sudden murder has been committed? Politics. NOTHING CHANGED ABOUT THE BABY. The only thing that differentiates an unborn child from a born child is Size, Location, and Level of Dependency. So let's evaluate this

The government says the baby is not yet a person and can be aborted due to its size. But of those are the only things, then midgets are less of a person than Shaquille O'Neal. I ought to be able to murder them. Or obscenely obese 500 lb people. They must be more of a person than all of us, so it must not be a problem if they decide to kill us.

Location is another part of the "personhood" checklist. In order to be recognized as a human person, this baby needs to have been born, or you can have an abortion. What, just what, might I ask, is so special about moving 8 INCHES somewhere else? 8 inches! On one side it's "a glob of cells", killable at the mothers choosing. On the other, it's a human person that should the mother kill as soon as its born, she will be charged with murder.

Level of Dependecy is the final "qualification". So a baby needs it's mother for the first nine months of its life to develop, grow, have its nutrients and waste products dealt with, and be PROTECTED. Don't you think that it's sad that the place that should be safest for a baby is now the most dangerous? So an unborn baby is extremely dependent upon its mother. How doe that justify abortion? You're extremely dependent on your parents to provide you with a place to live, food, clothing, insurance, etc. does that make you less of a person? Since you are quite obviously not an independent being, I ought to be able to kill you should your parents decide you're too much of a burden or no longer want you right?

Do you see how messed up it is to say that abortion is okay? It's murder. I can understand the difficult situations. I'm a result of one of them! If my grandmother had had an abortion when she was 15, my uncle and my cousins WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY. If she'd had an abortion when she was sixteen, my mom, my eight siblings, and I would not be here today. I WOULDN'T BE HERE SPEAKING AGAINST ABORTION, HAD MY BIOLOGICAL GRANDMOTHER GONE THROUGH WITH ONE. She was a pregnant teen. According to your logic, she should have been able to have an abortion. Soon other words, you're saying I shouldn't have been born, because you feel it would have been easier and better for a teen mom to have an abortion.

Well there are a lot of women out there who had an abortion as a teen. That was their only child they were able to conceive. Abortion quite often leaves irreparable scar tissue, making it impossible for the woman to have another baby ever again. They have to live with the knowledge that the only baby they managed to conceive, they killed.

This is already super long, but I need to make one more point. The world is not suffering overpopulation. Due to the horrific amount of abortions, and the huge amount of people on birth control (btw that stuff doesn't work, 90% of abortions occur with a woman who used one or more types of birth control), the world is now UNDERPOPULATED. There are not enough children being born to replace all the baby boomers that will be getting old and dying in a few years. France has high rewards benefits for couples who choose to have children. America gives you more tax benefits the more kids you have. Hmmm, you know by people are being PAID to have kids? The world needs repopulating, but every time people do so, they kill their kid off!

And don't think because I'm saying all this that I hate you for being pro abortion or something. I don't. I know yore a wonderful person. I just needed to try to how you how misguided the majority of the world is right now. :) oh by the way, I didn't even touch on in-uterine develop facts. They would astound you. Maybe later today I'll post some. I need to get to church right now though.

ϮAʛʛⅇℛʊℵʛ {Lerman Lover} wrote: "Did you know that of the abortion fails, and the baby is delivered live, the doctor is charged with first degree murder should they try to finish what they botched up?

That even if a pregnant woma..."

I see what you're saying, and you've definitely made me think about this a little more, even though I don't agree with everything you said. There are a lot of desperate teen girls out there who just want to live a normal and happy life despite one mistake they made. If teen girls want to have an abortion, that's their choice, not other peoples'. I feel like what a girl does with her body and her baby is NO ONE's decision besides hers, ESPECIALLY men who have never had to deal with pregnancy, birth, or any of that. I'll put myself in a pregnant teenage girl's shoes: I would hate it if I was told what to do with MY LIFE, because really, it would be a completely different life you would lead if you chose to have the baby and take care of it. I think it's horrible that people think they can tell girls what to do with their bodies. And yes, girls should be aware of the fact that they might not be able to have a child later on, and I think they should consider having an abortion very seriously before they go through with it because of all the things you mentioned above. However, i don't think it's EVER ok to tell someone what to do with their life, especially when it's a delicate subject like abortion.

Well why of some person you weren't allowed to live your life at all? Isn't that worse than saying you did to deal with the consequences of your decision to have sex outside of marriage? Because let me tell you, less than 4% of all abortions result from rape or incest. The others are all from "accidental" pregnancies. They're not accidents! Your body did exactly what it was supposed to do in that situation, produce a child! You don't want a kid until you're older and married? Don't have sex till then. Simple as that.

Girls are young and clueless and usually don't know any better, even though they should, yes, I agree with that. Yes, don't have sex, and the whole issue of abortion could be prevented. If they did have sex not knowing the consequences, it's their fault for sure, but abortion should be legal- there are lots of people who need it, even if they're killing a baby by doing it.

abortion is wrong, but it's the persons decision if she wants to do it or not, like what if a young girl got raped, she should have the right to abort the baby, but in other cases i think you shouldnt abort the baby....

But it's just that, a baby. The circumstance of conception don't change the fact that it's a person. And studies have shown it merely doubles the hurt and symptoms the woman shows because the effects on her mentally and emotionally are similar. She's twice as likely to get suicidal, depressed, self harm, etc.

You're looking at the negative effects, which is definitely something to look at, but also... I don't know. It's tough.

Because there are no positive effects.

I agree that its difficult. But it's really not something that has benefits. :(

I agree, I mean; you had sex without the warning, your're done. Soryy, but that's the truth. You cant just take away life like that; and one day I hope, I really do want to ban this; make it illegal. This is not a significant way to get rid of a baby. Even if the world is overpoulated, this world is for us, it's one's choice to have a baby and the world will still revolve this way. We created so many, fantastic things and we may need more people to come up with better, innovative ideas.

Of course it doesn't have benefits. But I feel like it's really offensive to tell someone what to do with their body.

But it's not their body. We don't allow someone to commit suicide or selfharm, which is harming their own body. But abortion goes even further by inflicting harm on someone else's body. To the point where that someone's body is ripped apart. Viciously ripped apart by a sharp cannula attached to a vacuum 500x more powerful than a vacuum cleaner.

It's their choice though. If they're aware of those things and still want an abortion, then so be it. Their lives, their decisions. Telling other people what to do conerning their personal life is just wrong.

Pearl Ozera wrote: "I agree, I mean; you had sex without the warning, your're done. Soryy, but that's the truth. You cant just take away life like that; and one day I hope, I really do want to ban this; make it illega..."

but what if a young girl got raped?? that's a different situation.. it should be her disision..

Yeah, agreed

I mentioned the raping part.

But if it was made illegal that rape victom would be forced to keep her baby against her will. I'd consider that to be worse then abortion because you are then forcing a woman to do something against her will.

I definitely agree.

When abortion is legal, it means you can do either: get an abortion or don't get an abortion. When abortion is illegal, you can only do one thing: have the baby and keep it/or adopt it. And a lot of people wouldn't want to get an abortion anyway, even though I think I would if i had to.

ϮAʛʛⅇℛʊℵʛ {Lerman Lover} wrote: "Exactly. You can have the baby, there are plenty of resources to help women, single or not, raise their baby by giving them housing, financial assistance, daycare, WHATEVER IS NEEDED. Abortion isn'..."

But if they're not ready for a baby then it's just ruining their life AND the Kids life. I'd never want to grow up in a situation like that or wondering why my real parents didn't want me. Plus I don't think it's any of your business wether someone else decides to get an abortion. It's their life, it's their choice.

Nikki *Otaku wrote: "ϮAʛʛⅇℛʊℵʛ {Lerman Lover} wrote: "Exactly. You can have the baby, there are plenty of resources to help women, single or not, raise their baby by giving them housing, financial assistance, daycare, ..."

I totally agree!

When a life is being unjustly and brutally taken, yes I think it becomes my business. I'm not condemning these people, I want to HELP them. Abortion helps nobody.

And my mom is grateful every day that her teen mom didn't choose abortion. And so I am, cuz I wouldn't be here either if she had.

But that was their decision, which turned out to be a good decision. Not all teens would pick abortion anyway. And I wouldn't call it unjustly and brutally taken, it's someone's decision so it's no one's business but the teenage girl's.

^Agree.

In my opinion, it is murder. It doesn't matter if the person isn't fully developed, Abortion is still a way to kill an unborn baby. I think if someone just went out with a guy and got pregnant that it would be her responsibility to either give the baby up for adoption or keep it. If it was rape, well, that does complicate matters, but you can't really punish the kid for his father's doing. Again, in my opinion, it is all wrong regardless of the circumstances.

Abortion is brutal murder. Maybe these pictures will say something my words can't. These are babies that were aborted

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It's very gruesome and sad, so only look if you can handle blood. I work at a veterinary clinic, so i have a strong stomach. But this isn't fake. The first pic is a baby in the beginning of the third trimester, the second pic is a baby at eight weeks of development. They truly prove how violent, and painful abortion is. Not a pleasant way to die because your mom wants to live a live without inconvenience.

Pearl Ozera wrote: "*Ahem*
Just everyone knows, there's a latest thing called condoms cool, right? And it's made for a reason. I get it, women wants to do-it, but that doesn't mean it can't be safe and fun at the sam..."

Can't condoms break though so say someone used one and it broke would you then say the same thing?

ϮAʛʛⅇℛʊℵʛ {Lerman Lover} wrote: "Abortion is brutal murder. Maybe these pictures will say something my words can't. These are babies that were aborted






It's very gruesome and sad, so only look if you can handle blood. I w..."

No matter how gruesome it is or isn't, it's no one's place to judge. We all make mistakes. Don't judge a woman for her choice.

Erika wrote: "Pearl Ozera wrote: "*Ahem*
Just everyone knows, there's a latest thing called condoms cool, right? And it's made for a reason. I get it, women wants to do-it, but that doesn't mean it can't be saf..."

As a matter of fact, yes. I would.

ϮAʛʛⅇℛʊℵʛ {Lerman Lover} wrote: "Abortion is brutal murder. Maybe these pictures will say something my words can't. These are babies that were aborted

I am in TOTAL agreement with you. I mean, those pictures were horrific. I don't know how anyone could look at those and still think Abortion is okay. And I am gonna go all out and say that it is inhuman. To kill a kid? Lierally tear it apart? I wouldn't judge a woman because of that, but if they told me if I agree with them, I'd say NO! Just because a woman is "scared" or whatever, that is no excuse to kill a human being. Life is supposed to be a miracle, not something that's meant to be brutally taken away.






It's very gruesome and sad, so only look if you can handle blood. I w..."

Okay, so that was a judgmental way to put that. I get that there are reasons why women do that. But I have spent all day being told "It's THEIR body, THEIR life, THEIR choice" and "They have every right to get a procedure done that will murder their baby". No they don't. Murder is murder. Those babies were murdered. And I feel so bad for their mothers, knowing how much their mothers were lied to, how they were told abortion would fix it, would give them a problem free life, would be a painless procedure. I KNOW people that have had an abortion. THEY REGRET IT SOOOOOO MUCH. They weren't told the facts! And here I am trying to help share what I know, and despite the fact that most of you recognize it to be a baby, you refuse to acknowledge that it's wrong. So yes, I made a hasty judgmental comment while I was in tears over those poor babies. I had a sibling who miscarried at 8 weeks. I saw her body, and it was the same size, just not ripped up. I cried my self to sleep for weeks, knowing she died before she was even born. And it still hurts. Add "choice" to that equation, and I am sure I know what a mother who aborted her baby feels like.

i disagree, but I guess the bottom line here is that having sex before you are fine with having a kid usually has negative effects unless birth control is one hundred percent or the condom broke.

Pearl Ozera wrote: "Erika wrote: "Pearl Ozera wrote: "*Ahem*
Just everyone knows, there's a latest thing called condoms cool, right? And it's made for a reason. I get it, women wants to do-it, but that doesn't mean i..."

It's not your place to judge others, and if it wasn't going to have a happy life anyway (ie abused, unwanted) then isn't it ether this way?

Well Beethoven had an awful childhood, Obama was raised by a single mother in un-ideal circumstances, Justin Bieber's mom got pregnant at 20 and was about to get a divorce, should these and a bajillion of other people who have made a huge difference in the world been killed because they were born into unhappy circumstances?

No but it's a woman's choice. Bottom line. If it were you doing something and somebody told you it was terrible to do it, would you like it? If people protested you doing it, would you like it? I don't think so. And again, women CAN get rapped and become pregnent. Then it is not their fault. And their is no excuse to blame someone for that(not that you are but some people do) and if someone who got rapped wants to get an abortion they should be able to.

Damieka wrote: "No but it's a woman's choice. Bottom line. If it were you doing something and somebody told you it was terrible to do it, would you like it? If people protested you doing it, would you like it? I d..."

i agree

Yes it it were a morally acceptable action, I would be very annoyed and wouldn't appreciate my rights to do something that's in the right being withheld, or protested. But abortion is a morally wrong action! It's murder. Murder isn't a choice.

If I was ever placed in the position of either rape or just pregnancy in general, I would NEVER resort to abortion. I would NOT hold him accountable for his father's mistakes.

And It's not just the girl's body. It's the body that's being harbored in the girl. If the guy is somewhat civilized and sticks around, he should get a say on whether or not Abortion should be an option.

Should they make it illegal? I wouldn't object if they did. The girl put herself in that position to get pregnant, if she didn't want that well then, don't go sleep around. Rape? Again, maybe the girl put herself in that position. Not saying that that justifies the rapist. Maybe the girl was never put in that position and it happened anyway, but regardless, people should not be allowed to punish babies for how they came to be and cons of having them brough into this world.

Who cares if the kid isn't fully developed? What difference is it that they are unborn? Does that really justify murder? Doctors can sugar-coat it all they want, but the hard truth is that, no, you aren't stopping an egg from evolving into a human being in nine months, you are killing an innocent life that is completely helpess and held in your hands that you so brusquely toss away because the doctors give you crud about what would be "quick" and "easy."

Killing the child is not going to suddenly de-motherfy the girl. She was a mom from the first moment, and she'll still be a mom long after that kid was "stopped." Frankly, I wouldn't judge a woman whose done that because I think she'd have enough of her own regret and guilt to carry without having other people add to it.

If they made it illegal, then there's always adoption. Besides, I don't think anyone could realize how long each and every one of those girls live with the thought of "what-if?" that will consume them for the rest of their lives. At least if this was made illegal, women might actually be given the chance to have and raise their children or see them go to good homes instead of living their lives full of the what if?s.

You can't say that you wouldn't hold the child accountable untill you have actually been rapped. That is a horrible experience that no one should ever go through. And if it's made illigal then the horrible man who rapped this poor girl may not go to prison and she would for making a mistake. You may think it's morally unjust but Its. Not. Your. Body! And no one should take a woman's right to do what she wants with her body and what I can't understand is that some people who are pro-life are also against same sex marriage so if that baby were gay or poor or turned into an actual murderer when older would you still protect it's rights?