A Song of Ice & Fire Fans discussion

So, instead of getting way off topic in other threads - put your crackpot theories here.

I have a lot of them...but would love to read some other peoples!

Here my main insane theory that has pretty much no support...

Arthur Dayne and Prince Rhaegar would sometimes pull a swap with there armor and that's why Rhaegar sometimes beat Arthur in Tourney.

:) Oh yah... pure insanity.

This is NOT mine I read it on another site's thread but I think it is crackpot haha.

"Hold on to your butts, Westeros, this news is groundbreaking. I have finally cracked the code. There is no way at all to refute the evidence I will present in this thread. I've even knocked on a tree or two while in prayer to the old gods and the rustle of their leaves provided an adequate answer, which of course was "Yessss."

Are you ready?

Syrio is Lyanna who is Ashara who is Septa Lemore. Thus, Syrio is Septa Lemore.

I know there may be disbelievers, so I will be kind and provide the evidence.

Syrio liked to play with swords. Lyanna liked to play with swords. Ashara liked to look upon the sword Dawn. Lyanna played with swords in front of a pool in the Winterfell godswood. Ashara went for a swim in the sea in front of Starfall. Syrio taught water dancing. Lyanna and Ashara both have dark hair but Syrio shaves his head, most like to hide evidence of his hair color. Syrio disappeared from a tower. Ashara disappeared from a tower. Lyanna's last breath was taken in a tower.

Septa Lemore likes watching sword play, especially bringing swords to attention. Septa Lemore likes to swim. Septa Lemore has dark hair. Septa Lemore has a cabin all to herself on the Shy Maid, an a cabin on a boat is really just like a tower.


Swords, water, hair and towers. The evidence is irrefutable, people. Syrio is Septa Lemore who is Lyanna who is Ashara.

GRRM likes to use the same motif hundreds of times within his series. There are clearly other instances where four people are actually one person. I'm so exhausted from cracking this code, so someone else will have to figure out what other four characters is actually just one character. I did find some slight connections between Styr the Magnar of Thenn and Myrcella. Something to do with ears. "

LOL - Wow...someone has a lot of time on there hands.

:)

...O_o

I don't even know what to think about that one....

Yeah i'm pretty sure that it totally unreasonable, considoring at least two of those people are born to major houses, but it is fun haha.

Kenneth wrote: "This is NOT mine I read it on another site's thread but I think it is crackpot haha.

"Hold on to your butts, Westeros, this news is groundbreaking. I have finally cracked the code. There is no w..."

WOW. ha ha not sure what else to say.... just wow!

You asked for it, Amber! Perhaps this is more of a crazy prediction than a theory...

Jon Snow becomes a wight, meets up with Benjen who is also a wight. They rally the other wights into an army.

Arya goes back to Westeros, finds Nymeria, and assumes control of her wolf pack.

She finds Jon and Benjen and they assail their enemies with an army of zombies and wolves!

Actually - I thought something like that might happen with Jon as well. I don't think it's way off base or anything.

I mean, not a lot of support, but still, there's nothing making it impossible.

As for Arya and the Wolves, I never thought about that, but holy shit, that would be sick. (both meanings of that word apply...)

Stannis will take lead of the white walkers

Kenneth wrote: "Stannis will take lead of the white walkers"

Well both can't muster up enough emotion to fill a teaspoon, so it would fit perfectly.

OMG Anna! LOL, that was funny.

O_O

Kenneth wrote: "This is NOT mine I read it on another site's thread but I think it is crackpot haha.

"Hold on to your butts, Westeros, this news is groundbreaking. I have finally cracked the code. There is no w..."

You just fu$& my head up lol

Manda wrote: "You asked for it, Amber! Perhaps this is more of a crazy prediction than a theory...

Jon Snow becomes a wight, meets up with Benjen who is also a wight. They rally the other wights into an army.
..."

Jon will be reborn as the Prince that was Promised.

I actually think that might be a good theory J
LOL.

Why did I never think about that before?
I feel stupid now..

I'm....speechless....

I can see Danaerys and Jon destroying the wight army. There is loads of evidence supporting Jon being Azor Azhai reborn. Even when Jon asks Melisandre if she has seen Stannis, she says all she sees is snow. There is reason to think that when she searches for him she searches for Azhai or the savior, but just ends up seeing Jon instead. Once that happens, e won't be king or prince he'll remain at the wall where he feels he belongs. Unless once the wights die the wall crumbles, which would be awesome!!! Anyways Aegon will die from Darkstar, who is a treacherous Dayne. Arianne Martell will attempt to assassinate Danaerys, with the whole queen thing. There are countless other predictions I have, but one that has to happen is that at the very end, before the last chapter of the entire series, there will be a battle in the throne room, and Cersei will walk calmly through the fighting towards the iron throne, and right before she gets there, Jaime comes up and stabs her through the back, just like Aerys. Danaerys will eventually win the iron throne married to edric storm. Just a though;)

better yet Jamie just throws her into the swords on the throne that she wants so badly

J and Chris- Yeah, you guys are right. Jon will be the Prince that was Promised. But this isn't Reasonable Theories Supported by Textual Evidence. This is Crackpottery!

I really like the thought that the wall will crumble when the all the wights die.

Well that's what it's really ther for right? Other than the wildlings. And I really think Arianne will hate Danaerys because it was supposed to be her being queen and she's never really agreed with her fathers views. And kenneth that would be awesome too. There's also the factor that GRRM might try to piss everyone off by shaming Cersei but not killing her. By the way we should totally start a topic on alternate casting for the TV show. For example, I saw Cate Blanchett being Cersei as I read the book, and Ralph Fiennes would have been an awesome Tywin.

Yah Listen to Manda - we need to get back on track.

With that - I'm going with Gendry is the prince that was promised / Azor Ahai. :P

Which I think I could actually support and sway some people too.

@Kenneth - Love it, that'd be a perfect ending.


@Chris - I'd love to see Arianne and Dany duke it out. Dorne has never been conquered by Dragons, not even Aegon. They are a fair match in my books.

PtWP? HOT PIE.

All hail Hot Pie, the First of His Name, King of the Apple, the Rhubarb, and the Meat Pie, Lord of the Seven Pastries and Protector of the Flan

Ann, hahahahahahaha!

my best quackery: everyone kills everyone until only Hodor is left. he sits on the iron throne, smiles, and says "hooooodooooor," which Martin translates for us as "game over, bitches."

GRRM reveals he's a character and then takes the iron throne

BenJen "The Great Wight" defeats Dany's dragon army and takes the Iron Throne.

Kenneth wrote: "This is NOT mine I read it on another site's thread but I think it is crackpot haha.

"Hold on to your butts, Westeros, this news is groundbreaking. I have finally cracked the code. There is no w..."

There's actually a pretty good chance that Septa Lemore is Ashara Dayne!!

Among all of the houses, the dragons and the direwolves will prevail!

there will be a huge fight in the throne room and the sword of light ends up being in or uunder the iron throne..... varys is the prince that was promised.

There's actually a pretty good chance that Septa Lemore is Ashara Dayne!! ..."

I can get behind that theory

Kenneth wrote: "There's actually a pretty good chance that Septa Lemore is Ashara Dayne!! ..."

I can get behind that theory"

Me too! It would be interesting to see her worked into the story!

OMG Comments 24 and 27 made me LOL literally. :)

I hope one of those happens.

And I could get behind Septa Lemore being Ashara. If you ask me something is up with the Dayne's, they get mentioned often but we get almost no interaction with them! We only have like 5 minutes with Edric and thats the most info we ever get.

Plus I totally think that Lightbringer is going to turn out to be Dawn.

Amber wrote: "OMG Comments 24 and 27 made me LOL literally. :)

I hope one of those happens.

And I could get behind Septa Lemore being Ashara. If you ask me something is up with the Dayne's, they get mentione..."

Who would wield it though?? Jon? He has Longclaw already, could that be converted to Lightbringer? And then it would make so much more sense for him to be Ned and Ashara's son, instead of Rhaegar and Lyanna's... Which means GRRM wrote up a HUGE red herring because there are so many hints to R + L = J in the book.

But yeah, I definitely think it's a huge possibility that Dawn is Lightbringer. And the only person I could think to use it is Jon because Dany certainly doesn't need it.

I sometimes think Lightbringer might be meant symbolically and it's no real sword at all. Maybe it's the wall and Jon "sacrificed" Ygritte to strengthen it. Maybe it's the dragons.

Anna wrote: "I sometimes think Lightbringer might be meant symbolically and it's no real sword at all. Maybe it's the wall and Jon "sacrificed" Ygritte to strengthen it. Maybe it's the dragons."

Yeah I think in Dany's case her dragons are definitely Lightbringer.

Bailey wrote: "Yeah I think in Dany's case her dragons are definitely Lightbringer. "

So are you saying that their will be multiple lightbringers such as Jon's being Dawn, or the Wall, or the Night Watch itself?

@Bailey - I think the person to weild it would have to be of house Dayne.

Since this just straight crackpot thread I think I'm free to go all assumption on this theory, yes?

Anyway, I think it will either be Jon or Gendry.
My personal opinion is that one of them is going to be the child of Ashara Dayne. Ned, Brandon and Robert were all present during the time she became impregnated and the age of both Jon and Gendry match the time frame.
I'm personally rooting for Gendry, since Jon is already pretty buffed up with Longclaw and Ghost. Plus, Gendry is already a confirmed bastard prince with blood of the dragon. Plus, he could feasibly fit the prophecy without as many assumptions as Jon.

Kenneth wrote: " So are you saying that their will be multiple lightbringers such as Jon's being Dawn, or the Wall, or the Night Watch itself?
"

Who knows?
On the one hand we have the prince that was promised... on the other hand, Danys prophecy about the three headed dragon.
Is the prince actually the three headed dragon (=three people)? Is the prince just one part of the trio, or do they have nothing to do with each other at all?
(Btw the vows of the watch even say: I am the sword in the darkness. Coincidence o.O ?)

The nights watch vows are a stumbling block. I think Martin purposely puts out all these conflicting ideas so we can't figure it out LOL.

I was reading over on Westeros.org / The Citadel that Martin said the three heads do not have to be related.

http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/Proph...

Not related? That settles it. Tyrion gets a dragon!!

YES!

Now he's going to have to design a dragon saddle...

Not mine origanly posted http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/...

I'm starting to think of "sword" as an interchangeable term for a "weapon." A fighting force can be a weapon. A "red sword" need only mean a weapon/force that's seen and survived combat.

Look at the Night's Watch vow:


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Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all nights to come.

Here we have an oath that uses a sword as the metaphor for the Night's Watch. Lightbringer is supposed to give off heat; the Night's Watch burns against the cold. It is the "light that brings the dawn." The original defeat of the Others is called the Battle for the Dawn. Could this mean that Lightbringer has been staring us in the face practically the entire time? I think it might.

The Azor Ahai legend and the origin of the Night's Watch are, we're led to believe, roughly contemporary. Azor Ahai's legend has to do with defeating the Others, which is also the Night's Watch's mission. As such, the AA legend and the Night's Watch are inexorably linked. The "wielder of Lightbringer" might simply mean the person who commands the Night's Watch. For all we know, AA might himself have been the founding Lord Commander.

It also occurred to me that AA's sacrifice of Nissa Nissa might somehow tie into the Night's Watch promise to not take wives. We understand that promise to simply be putting duty before familial loyalty, but what if there's more to it? If AA did sacrifice Nissa Nissa to "forge" Lightbringer, and the Night's Watch is itself Lightbringer, then the rule against taking wives literally goes back to the first days of the Watch and has a deep symbolic meaning beyond just utility.

So that's my idea. I've seen other people make the same point, and I've long suspected that the parade of awesome swords is really just a sleight of hand, getting people to look off in Direction A to find Lightbringer when it's been in Direction B all along.

I think that's a really sound theory.

And I like how they brought in the idea of avoiding wives with what happened to Nissa Nissa. That's a point I've never heard before that is actually pretty compelling.

I like the idea for sure and also, it give so much more meaning to the overall story and how people have neglected the watch when they shouldn't have.


I'll revise - if Lightbringer is an actual sword, I'll bet its Dawn. But I'm all for it being a metaphor for the Nights Watch.

Since the Dragon has three heads and we've established they most likely don't have to be all related or Targaryen, maybe we've at least discovered two of the heads. I feel pretty confident about Dany and Jon. Especially now.

Kenneth wrote: "Bailey wrote: "Yeah I think in Dany's case her dragons are definitely Lightbringer. "

So are you saying that their will be multiple lightbringers such as Jon's being Dawn, or the Wall, or the Nigh..."

For some reason I like to think that the three dragon riders all have to fit the AA prophecy, which Dany, Jon, and Tyrion all do.

So I guess in a way they would all have their own Lightbringer and Nissa Nissa.

And I definitely agree that Lightbringer doesn't have to be an actual sword, but more of a metaphor for the power AA will have behind him/her, be it dragons or the Night's Watch.

Also, if the sword is Dawn and you think someone has to be a Dayne to use it there's still a chance that Jon could fit! And if that's true then there's also a chance that one of his parents is still alive to confirm it!

Gendry could also be a Dayne

Kenneth wrote: "Gendry could also be a Dayne"

Yep, fits the timeline perfectly.

Plus, I always found this tid bit about the Crossroads Inn, where Gendry has positioned himself very interesting.

It eventually passed into the hands of a knight who had been crippled, Long Jon Heddle, who had taken up ironworking in his old age. He forged a new sign to hang in the yard, a three-headed black dragon

thats from A Wiki of Ice and Fire.

I didn't make that connection, interesting!

I thought so too.

Plus, if you feel like twisting things just right, he fits pretty much all of the prophecy we've discovered so far.

Concerning the Crossroads Inn. Isn't that far fetched? Plus the sign is no longer there.
I don't think Gendry is a Dayne, nor part of the three headed dragon. I still wander why Varys cares about him though. Maybe Gendrys is a little bird.

AA/tPwwP = 3 ppl. Jon, Dany + Tyrion. These are also, the dragon riders & they win the war against the Wights. Yay!! Oh, also Tyrion is a Targ. Joann + Aerys. The rape-y king.

Oh. Gendy brings Ayra back from the cult-y place.