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Mar 06, 2013 06:56PM
umm *srugs* i think its good i mean its better than having a kid you dont want or cant raze at the moment
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I think birth control has a place in society if it is responsibly employed. I base this on the opinion that responsibility and certain essential elements need to be ironed out and put firmly in place prior to the decision to bring a life into the world is made. Of course this is rather idealistic, but I believe that unplanned pregnancies can not only sometimes be detrimental to the parents, affecting their relationship with each other, but also the attitude of others towards them. It all depends on how prepared a mother or father to be is, whether they can cope or provide a life of substance for their child. If one is not ready, or the child is conceived as an accident, or as a result of abusive coercion, I think it ought to be the right of the mother to decide 'Am I giving my child the best chance if I let him or her be born?'
I think that in this day and age it should be used to prevent pregnancy or we would revert back to the olden days where woman would be having tonnes of children risking their own lifes and that of there children. There would be more children getting put up for adoption and in care. We all know that not having sex would be the best way to prevent pregnancy but really is that going to happen? I dont think so.
this is a difficult topic as some have extremely close held and vital opinions, to their minds, and are less likely to entertain opposing viewpoints.that having been said, my observation is that some form of birth control has been around forever, of course earlier kinds less effective but all have a percentage of failure. I want to point out that the topic was "birth control" not "abortion" as they can be two different things, but the reality is some people think of them as the same thing.
IMHO, the parameters of this debate break down two ways:
1. Women's rights: Does the (or should the) woman have control over the process of birth within her own body? Does the (or should the) state be involved or determine the extent of that control and Do the (or should the) men have any say at all?
2. Population control: whether birth control, in any form, can or should be used to keep population at manageable levels.
My own opinion for number one:
Ultimately it's the woman's body and she has the right to determine anything that happens to or within it. Even though I personally don't like abortion as a choice, I completely think that is up to the woman.
for number two:
Population is an issue that will be crucial now and in the future. China tried to limit people having only one child but that meant all the girl babies were shipped off or aborted, for cultural reasons. I really don't know the best solution to this, on a global level.
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However, women are usually the people to have to buy the birth control. Imagine--if guys could get pregnant, how much birth control do you think would be sold?
I think birth control is essential, because, for humans the act of copulation has long transcended the biological need to produce offspring. Sex has become something of a casual recreational activity, and the very thought of conception is often veiwed as an inconvenient aftermath, resulting in the exhaustion in the sexual drive, either via consensual casual sex, rape, or one night stands. The consequences of the act, require some degree of action from the woman were she to conceive, whereas it is left to the man's conscience, if he even has one, to do the right thing and stand by his woman, and his actions.One the one hand, birth control could promote casual sex, even rape, when sex is performed without fear of the inconvenience of conception; not everyone who wants sex wants to be 'saddled' with a child, and what sort of environment is that for life to be introduced into? Life is precious, and ought not, in my view, to be an accident, which could jeopardise a lot of things, not least the child's upbringing by a potentially resentful, irresponsible parent. More important than birth control is the exercise of moral responsibility, and we all know how flexible, subjective and selfish that can be.
There is not hard and fast rule that applies to everyone, you make your decisions, and live with the consequences, what you do with life is your own responsibility, just ensure that you have a choice so you can make a decision that benefits you and your partner or the child involved, if any.
Hm...Well, I for one do not like the concept of birth control, but I mean if two people are married and aren't yet ready for kids, then I can see why it would be used, but if the majority who puchase it are teenagers then I don't agree with that. I then agree with what you are saying, Eleventha.
Yeah I understand your point, but that being the case, perhaps something ought to be done about the message conveyed by the media that casual sex is cool, that screwing around has no consequences, and all that. Perhaps contraception was developed to allow couples to control whether or not they want kids, denying the body's natural reproductive capacity in the name of fun, where does that stop? Can it be stopped? Ans is responsibility uncool?
If the question is that whether or not one thinks birth control should be, like, made illegal I don't so much as agree with that just because in minimizes an individual's right (on whether they desire to get pregnant, but that may conclude in an abortion and I am against abortion all the way.) But I am in disagreement with our younger generation going around and having sex and refusing to face the consequences of their actions. And yeah, that it is wrong and should be held accountable for their decisions in that.
I'm not saying that explicit and sexually suggestive songs ought to be replaced by songs praising Jesus and that sort of thing, I just think people in general tend to come under this invisible pressure to have sex, like it's something guys boast about, and I dunno how girls react to it, but I would imagine there's some degree of rebellious pride there. Marriage is not the be all and end all, but what it does do, is allow two people to be together 'legally', but at the same time, marriage has been grossly abused as well, with monogamy being an unnatural state for some.
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Why should birth control be illegal? O-O I find that stupid....
I wouldn't ever use birth control personally. I don't think it's moral and it honestly just seems wrong. Sex is for when a married couple wants to concieve, in theory. So I think it's wrong to just take birth control so you can have some fun Friday nights after you get drunk....
...but I don't think it should be illegal. I'm not going to bring abortion into this, but I think this is better than getting Span abortion though I don't agree with either.
...but I don't think it should be illegal. I'm not going to bring abortion into this, but I think this is better than getting Span abortion though I don't agree with either.
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Why should birth control be illegal? O-O I find that stupid...."
Because it's wrong....Birth ..."
That's like saying condoms should be illegal. If someone wants to use birth control they should be allowed to. If anything say it should be prohibited for minors or something, but your debate that birth control should down right be illegal for every woman is not very logical.
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Why should birth control be illegal? O-O I find that stupid..."
So if a married couple doesn't want kids, are they just supposed to never have sex? Women should use it if they like. If a woman doesn't want children, or her life could be endangered if she becomes with child. Or anything. They can't have anything? Nothing to prevent pregnancy? Are you joking? I'm not talking about stupid teenagers. But making it completely illegal is......it is really mind boddling how some people think.
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I cannot force you to believe something. I cannot force you not to do or to do something but it's not even a religious matter. It's NATUR..."
Rape is forcing someone to engage in sexual activity against their will. Which is obviously wrong. No matter what sick person thinks it is alright.
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And weren't you the one who brought up your re..."
Exactly.
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I cannot force you to believe something. I cannot force you not to do or to do something but it's not even a religious matter. It's NATUR..."
I deleted it before you posted yours. I figured there wasn't a point in debating with you because I don't see any strong points in your debate and it would just be a waste of time. So ya, sorry.
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Ok. I was gonna keep my mouth shut on this one but I can't any longer.First, I want to explain my view of sex. Sex is a gift, that's right, a gift for a man and a woman who are married. It is meant yes for reproduction, but also for the pleasure of these married couples.
With that said, it is pretty obvious that a majority of people do not use that gift under the right circumstances. Unmarried individuals use it simply for pleasure and in doing that (if they have brain cells that function) use birth control. The use of birth control in these situations is not necessarily good, but better than the alternatives such as unwanted pregnancies that could later turn to abortions or getting an STD.
If birth control were to be made illegal, I honestly think that many of those people would not stop having sex. There would most likely be not only more abortions, but more children in the world that may not have the care that they need and deserve all because of those careless people.
Onto married couples and birth control. As I brought out earlier, sex is not only for reproduction but pleasure. If a married couple is not ready to have children, then there is nothing wrong with using birth control. They are simply being responsible and they should be able to have access to birth control. Birth control prevents the conception of UNWANTED babies and should not be illegal.
Making birth control illegal won't stop people from having sex so...wouldn't that create more abortions, aka more innocent lives taken? Just a thought.
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First, I want to explain my view of sex. Sex is a gift, that's right, a gift for a man and a woman who are married. It is mea..."
What about homosexuals who choose to have sex? They may not need birth control because they won't get pregnant, but they need to protect against STDs. And in some states they can't get married, so they never win.
Elevetha wrote: "@Shadowhunter Girl.Perhaps, but what I'm really saying, as I said earlier, is that both birth control and abortion should be illegal, thereby fixing that particular issue."
Ok, I get it! so if someone becomes pregnant, because they weren't practicing the birth control you made illegal, and they can't get an abortion, because you made that illegal, then what are her options?
none.
So, let's just round up all pregnant women, lock them up in camps, like Guantanamo, and force them to deliver those babies. While we're at it, let's sew yellow numbers on their uniforms: the big letter "B" for Breeder. Then, since they're already in there, let's make them stay because, you know, they're not REAL people, they don't have REAL morals because they "did the nasty" in front of God and everybody, so let's keep bringing in new men once a month and force them to continue to get pregnant! Maybe we can have a connecting tunnel between the men's penitentiary with all the rapists and whatnot and let them rape and rape and keep making the women bear the offspring!
Because, you know, pregnancy is the WOMEN's fault. She's the evil one, and therefore must be punished by withholding birth control and abortion, even in cases of rape and incest.
Wimmin are EVIL! let's punish THEM! the men, eh? not so much. Let's reward them by making them endure no consequences whatsoever!
Oh, and don't forget, because we're on such a high moral ground, we're going to pass the hat to pay for her prenatal care, the aid to dependent children, and helping her get a career because we're good and moral.. hmm? what's that? you don't want to financially support the pregancy that you forced this woman to have by witholding both birth control and abortion?
You don't wanna? OF course, that's right... because those skanks got themselves in trouble, right?
well, aren't we just the moral bee's knees? How wonderful are we?
(/saracasm)
look,the reality is antichoice arguments are ultimately misogynistic. They'll argue they aren't, but notice they all requirements are the WOMAN's uterus belongs to the state, there have to be LAWS that determine what happens to a woman's uterus, but there oddly enough aren't any requirements for men's penises staying in their pants. Because you know, boys will be boys.
/rant
Lo♪ wrote: "Sierra wrote: "Ok. I was gonna keep my mouth shut on this one but I can't any longer.First, I want to explain my view of sex. Sex is a gift, that's right, a gift for a man and a woman who are mar..."
That's one of the reasons why I said birth control shouldn't be illegal. Because it helps prevent STD's.
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First, I want to explain my view of sex. Sex is a gift, that's right, a gift for a man and a woman..."
Please explain how banning breath control would work for people who have STDs, Elevetha.
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First, I want to explain my view of sex. Sex is a gift, that's ..."
You don't get an STD from just sleeping around, you can simply get an STD from sleeping with one single person, and as we know there isn't a cure for STDs, right? And there are other ways to get it, how can you say that getting a STD from genetics is rare when you don't know?
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First, I want to explain my ..."
And as Lo said, if you're moral code means getting married, then what about homosexuals that live places where gay marriage is illegal?
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You were the one talking about moral code. I was just asking. So since you believe so much in morals, I guess you just rule out homosexuals and why they may need to use birth control?
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But there would also be no protection against STDs between men and women. How would that work if birth control was banned?
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I'm only talking about through sexual activity, it would help prevent them. Of course not through other ways. I never said it would stop them.
Liane wrote: "Elevetha wrote: "Mrs.Crazy wrote: "Elevetha wrote: "Mrs.Crazy wrote: "Elevetha wrote: "Mrs.Crazy wrote: "Elevetha wrote: "Mrs.Crazy wrote: "Elevetha wrote: "Mrs.Crazy wrote: "Elevetha wrote: "Lo♪ w..."
I think you may want to look at some statistics about condoms then... they definitely don't always work O.o
I think you may want to look at some statistics about condoms then... they definitely don't always work O.o
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Exactly.
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They would help prevent.
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Good for you.
(Yeah, go ahead and turn that ^^^ on me. I won't care cause I know I'm right.)"
The difference of how me and you debate, Elevetha, is that you seem to almost always come from a religious place, where as I come from a logical state, you've gotta understand that your morals aren't everyone's, and everyone doesn't practice your religion. Anywho, thanks for the debate, even if it wasn't I very good one.
I don't think it's much from a "religious" standpoint as it is logical. There are good points in this debate. Although, without birth control, could that create unsafe sex at all? (I don't know the technicalities with birth control.)
And referring to making abortion illegal, it would still be done but maybe it would cause more damage. Not that I'm saying I'm for abortion. I've debated for hours against it in all cases, I was just thinking...
Well, she sorta apologized for that... and I think she KNOWS she's right, based on her religion.
Sierra wrote: "Ok. I was gonna keep my mouth shut on this one but I can't any longer.
First, I want to explain my view of sex. Sex is a gift, that's right, a gift for a man and a woman who are married. It is mea..."
Okay I pretty much agree with that :-) except, I don't think I like the concept of birth control as much as you do... but most of your other points were like taken right out of my mind haha
First, I want to explain my view of sex. Sex is a gift, that's right, a gift for a man and a woman who are married. It is mea..."
Okay I pretty much agree with that :-) except, I don't think I like the concept of birth control as much as you do... but most of your other points were like taken right out of my mind haha
Katie~Sparkly Things!!!! wrote: "Sierra wrote: "Ok. I was gonna keep my mouth shut on this one but I can't any longer.First, I want to explain my view of sex. Sex is a gift, that's right, a gift for a man and a woman who are mar..."
I'm just curious: What do you mean when you say you don't like the concept as much as I do?
Well I think that birth control is like very immoral and shouldn't be used very often... I would never use it and I don't think it's something that should be considered necessary, even though in our society with the people there are it kinda is.
I have to agree. Also, is a sixteen year old really ready for the responsibility of a child? They were irresponsible to have sex in the first place.
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I think birth control shouldn't be banned, because married couples have the right to not have children, but still have sex, if they want to. If people want 1..."
I agree with you on all the other points, but I think birth control should be there for any 16 yr olds that need it. They're going to be having sex anyways; they might as well be protected.
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Sure thing, in this growing society ABORTION is unstoppable and Birth control is one of the alternatives from preventing bad cases such as abortion from happening.OTHERS think birth control is NOT abortive cause the sperm doesn't reached and fertilized the egg.
BUT if your gonna look at it in diff. perspective.I can say that abortion and using birth control is the same,both are preventing a child from living.Only birth control avoids POTENTIAL child from existing.AND ABORTION is more of an offending term.
I'm not against birth control or something.The major precaution in this is "Don't have SEX"
BUT HEY~ believe it or not, people love sex(in spite of the religion,etc.)especially those reckless people who are not using precautions.
ANYWAYS,What i mean is if you see it in other peoples vantage point...abortion and birth control ,SOMEHOW, have their own similarities such as what i'd said earlier.
I'm not proving that if you used contraceptives your committing a crime, it depends in people if they see it as abortive or not.
others see it as a crime and others don't.
and if your gonna asked me if you are committing a crime ...i don't really know cause i'm still in the curious stage in my life and I've never done this thing.Just saying what i think.
what i'm saying is if you use birth control you can't impregnate which prevents, maybe a baby or maybe not( Having possibility=POTENTIAL) , from happening (that's why i think it's called birth control....giving you the authority to prevent being pregnant to avoid unexpected baby)i'm not saying every sperm is LIFE...it's POTENTIAL!
(okay i'm going to add this....or I'm not saying EVERY EGG is life)
get my point?
H99 wrote: "Why do you think it's immoral, Katie?
I think birth control shouldn't be banned, because married couples have the right to not have children, but still have sex, if they want to. If people want 1..."
I wasn't saying it should be banned, just to clear that up.
I think birth control shouldn't be banned, because married couples have the right to not have children, but still have sex, if they want to. If people want 1..."
I wasn't saying it should be banned, just to clear that up.
And I guess I can agree with you on that, but most people who disagree with it are religious. Sex is a gift from God. Don't abuse it... it's meant so you can have a family, not just the pleasure of it.
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Abortion= Sperm has already fertilized egg, and there is an unborn baby.
Using a condom- There is a chance that the woman MIGHT become pregnant. MIGHT. I do not unders..."
Yes, exactly! I don't get why people say, "abortions are murdering innocent baby's because of their mother's sin" but that's ridiculous. The women at the ones who are alive, so they should be the ones to choose. And saying that it's sinful is forcing Christianity upon others.
