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Kris (krisrabberman) | 198 comments Mod
This thread is to post and discuss historical and cultural context related to vThe Magic Mountain.


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Kalliope | 411 comments Mod
Copying a post by Karen in the Thread for General Secondary Reading, with one of the books she suggests.



I'm slowly working my way through a history of the German Empire, this is after all the world that Mann was born into.

Die nervöse Großmacht: Aufstieg und Untergang des deutschen Kaiserreichs 1871-1918

I hope to get further than the first few pages before we really start.



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Lily (joy1) | 94 comments http://books.google.com/books?id=8pb2...

Haven't read the book itself, but looks interesting and probably relevant: The Weimar Moment: Liberalism, Political Theology, and Law by Leonard V. Kaplan

See specifically: Chapter 20: "The Ideological Struggle for the German Soul in Thomas Mann's Magic Mountain" by Gabriel Ricci.

May be easier to read at page 444 here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/101616949/T...


Karen· (kmoll) | 40 comments Thanks, Kal, I got a bit distracted .....


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Nobody I'm reading Weimar Germany by Eric Weitz (now available in ebook). There are a few pages on MM. When I reach these sections I'll post here, if its interesting. It's a non-academic book so I should get through it quickly.

Also meantioned is A People Betrayled by Alfred Döblin and translated by John E. Woods. Sadly this series appears to be out of print. So its off to the used bookstore for that one.


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Nobody Excerpt from Weimar Germany by Eric D. Weitz.

This excerpt is about ten pages long and contains spoilers. Magic Mountain is talked about extensively - sorta.

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Nobody Excerpt from Weimar Germany by Eric D. Weitz.

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Nobody Excerpt from Weimar Germany by Eric D. Weitz.

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Kalliope | 411 comments Mod
Green Troll wrote: "I'm reading Weimar Germany by Eric Weitz (now available in ebook). There are a few pages on MM. When I reach these sections I'll post here, if its interesting. It's a non-academic book so I should ..."

Thank you very much for these, GT. I will keep them in mind and read later on... I also have the book but for other members these will come in very handy. Thanks again.


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Nobody Nice resource for the Weimar Republic for those interested. I used the primary sources page because it has pictures to art and other stuff.

http://weimar.facinghistory.org/conte...


Lawyer (goodreadscommm_sullivan) Although this Master's Thesis primarily covers Sanitariums in the United States, the author provides an extensive history of the European Sanitariums, especially those in the Swiss Alps. Very much worth a look.

Title: The rise and fall of the tuberculosis sanitarium in response to the white plague
Authors: Grahn, Anya E.
Advisor: Wolner, Edward W.
Date of Object: 2012-05-05
Abstract: American tuberculosis sanitarium architecture developed largely from trends set by European health spas and sanitarium design. The first American tuberculosis sanitariums largely resembled European health spas and resorts and catered to rich clientele. The spread of the White Plague, however, urged American states to develop sanitarium institutions that could provide for all classes. These first sanitariums melded nineteenth century resort architecture with radial prison designs and Kirkbride insane asylums to create large hospital complexes devoted exclusively to tuberculosis treatment and research. By the 1920s and 1930s, the European modernist movement had created modern tuberculosis sanitariums that inspired American sanitarium design. Despite the important role these institutions played in curing consumptives and limiting the spread of the White Plague, the increased use of drug therapy made sanitariums obsolete by the 1970s. Today, many of these sanitariums have been abandoned, demolished, or rehabilitated for new uses.
CardCat URL: http://liblink.bsu.edu/uhtbin/catkey/...


Lawyer (goodreadscommm_sullivan) A brief history of tuberculosis: http://www.news-medical.net/health/Hi...


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Sue | 186 comments I watched a very interesting episode of PBS American Experience today, titled "The Forgotten Plague". It brought back the reading of TMM vividly to mind and many of our discussions. The many photos also brought to life the balcony scenes -- being all wrapped up while taking the air. I do recommend it to those in the US as it is currently airing.


Diane Barnes When does this come on, Sue? I saw it in the TV listings but of course forgot to make a note of it.


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Sue | 186 comments Diane wrote: "When does this come on, Sue? I saw it in the TV listings but of course forgot to make a note of it."

It's first run was last Tuesday but I watched it on my dvr. I'll bet it's on at some point this weekend or over the coming week. I believe they keep the shows on line for a time too.


Diane Barnes I found it. They will rerun the first episode at 4:00 a.m. Sunday morning, too early for me! DVR's are a lifesaver.
So I can watch it at a decent time tomorrow. And I can record future episodes. Thanks for the reminder, Sue.


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Sue | 186 comments I think there is only the one episode on this subject though American Experience is a series.


Diane Barnes I watched this episode tonight. I was hoping they would reference "The Magic Mountain", but it was mostly U.S. based sanitoriums, although they did give European doctors and treatments a lot of credit. But the only thing that really halted this disease was the discovery of antibiotics. A very well-done documentary. Thanks, Sue.


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Sue | 186 comments One thing I enjoyed seeing was the people bundled up for the open air treatments. That really resounded for me after the descriptions in TMM. Also the arbitrary nature of recovery vs death.


Diane Barnes A lot of things in The Magic Mountain were touched upon here, as the closed society of the sanitoriums. with the clicques and gossip, and the bodies being taken out thru the hallways.


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Sue | 186 comments Yes, it made the story of TMM more real for me.


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