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May be a touchy subject, and I know most of us are still teens, but have you ever considered suicide?

I've had a suicide happen to somebody close to me....maybe we can help each other out before anything tragic happens.

I never realized how much it affects people until somebody I know took her own life. It'll actually be two years since then in a couple weeks. I think about her a lot still, even today. So I guess I'm leading up to this:

Suicide may seem like the best option at the time. But when it comes down to it, it's not worth it. I've seen what happens to the people who love somebody who does it. The tears, the pain, even depression. Things can get better for you, you just have to give it a chance. Change is up to you.

I've lost a lot of people a lot of different ways, and believe me when I say that suicide is by far the worst way to lose someone. You're left with so many questions. Why? What if I had done this? What if I had done that? And the worst part, is thinking about how much that person had to be hurting to actually do it.

And all those people who cry about it and ask those questions are the people who would give anything to help you. To help you change. To help you feel better. Because it's possible. You can change and you can feel better. Just hang in there.

Sorry if this was completely pointless or confusing or something...I just want people to realize...

No, but a homicide I could make look like a suicide - I've considered that option on occassion for a few people better off dead than alive.

yea sure. hasnt everybody at one point in their life? But im obviously not gonna act on it, since im too scared to actually harm my own body... I am a living organism and the natural instinct would be to survive, and aviod inflicting damage/pain.

I've come very close to suicide but it was all accidental, I have a very short memory and so I overdosed on a drug a couple of times, both landing me in hospital for a few days.

Yes, I've considered it. I almost did in May.

Nope, life is too precious, too many books to read anyways; I'll grow old and die like a normal person with millions of stories in my head as an accomplishment....

NO.

Jason wrote: "May be a touchy subject, and I know most of us are still teens, but have you ever considered suicide?

I've had a suicide happen to somebody close to me....maybe we can help each other out before anything tragic happens."

No I haven't. But I had those days when I'd wish I could exchange places with somebody (important) who died. Then I always get over it and get a move on with life.

Anyway, if you guys have seen 3 Idiots (Indian movie), there was a nice suggestion there by the lead guy who had two friends, and they're all taking engineering (I forgot his name). He had a college mate who killed himself. Then his friend also tried and jumped from the building. Luckily the friend was alive. Then he had another friend and he thought that he might get the same thoughts so what he did was put the picture of his friend's parents on his friend's wallet. He said that before he try anything like suicide, he should remember his parents' smiling faces and should think about what will happen if he died.

Almira wrote: "Jason wrote: "May be a touchy subject, and I know most of us are still teens, but have you ever considered suicide?

I've had a suicide happen to somebody close to me....maybe we can help each othe..."

Rancho - thats his name

Sasha Ivashkov-Herondale wrote: "Rancho - thats his name"

Right. Thanks Sasha!

H99 wrote "Almira wrote: "Jason wrote: "May be a touchy subject, and I know most of us are still teens, but have you ever considered suicide?

I've had a suicide happen to somebody close to me....maybe we can help each othe..."

I watched that movie... I remember that. I think we should all do that, think about people who we care about before we do anything drastic. "

I think that your opinion is completely reasonable, but as a person who has thought about suicide a few times and has cut herself, I think it goes beyond the ones you care about. Do you think about them when you're about to do it? Yes. Do you care in that moment? Not really. Is it selfish? Maybe, but it's still true.
And, really, if you want to commit suicide it means that you think you are so disgusting, so horrible as a human being, that you do not deserve to live in this world any longer.
So, in this line of thought, by taking your life away you'd really be doing your loved ones a favour. After all, you're getting them away from a horrible person, even if they don't realize it yet.

So H99, when you say suicidal people should think about the ones they care about before taking their lifes away, you should take into consideration the self-hatred involved in even thinking about suicide and try to get inside the mind of a depressed person.
I wish it'd only be about remembering that there are people who love you, then everything would be so much simpler and happier.
Ok, I'm being pretty melodramatic. But still, your opinion is totally valid and something most people think nowadays. I just wanted you to know that it's more conplicated than that.

"It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem."

See suicide is a complicated subject. I've thought many times if I wasnt around, no one's life would change. This summer has taught me differently.

For instance- my friend told me that without me her life is boring.

That made me feel better about myself cause I knew that by being alive and myself, I made her life better.

Also I wouldn't have met anyone on here.

I love this site, it fills me with relief to know that I'm not the only one who's here.

((This one may sound stupid but get over it))

I was going through something for my witchcraft studies ( long story no time) and I found numerology. It gave me all these details about myself. That even though I seem to be strange, I'm just a visionary who is misunderstood.

Since joining this site there is a lot of nice people I've met. I've met a friend, who is going to be the next Picasso or Shakespeare, someone's who's art will be treasured to the end of time.

Onyx { Rebelious Italian Dancer Extraordinaire} wrote: "See suicide is a complicated subject. I've thought many times if I wasnt around, no one's life would change. This summer has taught me differently.

For instance- my friend told me that without me..."

omg where did u find that nuemrology stuff?
is there a website i can go to?

(sorry im just into astrology!)

I have considered it a lot. I'm just not brave/stupid enough to carry it out

@Sasha-

Yeah sure it's spellsofmagic.com

Indeed a grim, sensitive subject. But one needs to talk about it, and try to understand.....
I have lost two close family members to suicide.
Those wounds never really heal.
But as Ayn says, "it is a permanent solution to a temporary problem."
Chronic depression is one thing, but the fires of a tendency to depression can be fanned by a variety of things - alcohol, drugs, personal crisis of transient nature etc.
Somehow, artistic genius seems to go hand in hand with suicide. Eugene Marais, probably the South African with the most awesome intellect who ever lived, killed himself with two shots from a shotgun. Two. That's determination.
Interestingly, he coined the phrase "hesperic depression" 30 years before it was officially recognised. Based on his research on the chacma baboon.
Ever suffer from the Sunday blues? I know your answer is yes.
For an explanation see Leonmare.blogspot.com
At least then you will understand the tip of the iceberg.

Artistic genius is related to suicide because the people who are misunderstood artistic visionaries kill themselves before they can be recognized.

I have a friend who has depression. She has tried to omit suicide to relieve her pain. She has developed a serious issue of hearing voices in her head as well.

I've thought about it, but not in a very serious way. And I keep hoping that the world will turn up in the future, so.

not considered...considering...

RYAN NO!!!

DON'T YOU DARE!!! I WILL COME DOWN THERE AND SLAP SOME SENSE INTO YOU!!!

Emma hold on ima send you a pm ok?

Okay...

Theres only one thing, one person thats keeping me from doing it. And it feels like im losing her...

Dieing inside, cant stop it wrote: "Theres only one thing, one person thats keeping me from doing it. And it feels like im losing her..."

If you need somebody I'm here

I lost her yesterday and i tried to get her back to me but she wont talk to me....theres nothing stopping me now...and im scared of myself

Don't do it. There will be someone else someone better. There always is. Don't waste your life. I'm guessing your a teenager so you will have many more years of your life ahead of you and these will all be bliss.

I dont want someone else, there is noone better. I want her and now that weve lost eachother shes cutting and im afraid shell kill herself

Let her know that even if you are no longer friends you care

Im gone, theres nothing left wrote: "not considered...considering..."

Please don't :'( If you want or need to talk then please, please PM me. That goes for anybody. I want to be here for everyone who needs it <3

Guys Ryan, aka the guy who's considering, he's gonna do it. He told me, this week will be his last. He needs help, and a lot

Is he online?

No but he really needs help, he might be on this weekend. I can't lose him, he's one of my best friends.

I'll PM him.

Thank you so much

I just hope I can help <3

I have though of what would happen if I commited suicide but I never really thought of doing it....I dont love myself but I dont hate myself that much...plus I am Christian...

When I was in sixth grade I considered it, but that was mostly me turning something I felt into something it wasn't. My life is harder than it was in sixth grade now, but I haven't considered suicide in the past four years because I somewhat like myself, and I hope for a good future.

Jason wrote: "May be a touchy subject, and I know most of us are still teens, but have you ever considered suicide?

I've had a suicide happen to somebody close to me....maybe we can help each other out before a..."

I am a depressive with psychotic tendencies and I often go to bed at night not wanting to wake up. The thoughts of violence in both my dreams and my waking hours make life a real struggle for me.I have had 2 years of psychotherapy and still nothing changes.I am not a teenager.I live on an inner London housing estate where I have witnessed people throwing themselves from windows.Murder is quite a common thing around here.There is no normality. Broken homes,drug & alcohol abuse are rife.Suicide is not just about hating yourself. It can be about being in a situation where you cannot see an escape from.Sometimes giving someone a good ol' walloping helps,sometimes not.

I second that. I hope things get better for you, Neph.

Me as well.

I also apologize for the inactive topics, Leah and H99. Though not really my fault, I feel somewhat responsible as I sort of left Goodreads entirely for three months when I went through a weird funk.

Aw, thanks. (Just so y'know, I wanted to make you a mod long before you became one, but you didn't apply!)
Yeah, I'm better, but I'm probably not going to be reading as avidly as I did before. (I'll have to kiss that 2013 goal good-bye! i had to reduce it by 40 books.) I'm trying to be more active again, but forgive me if it takes me another month to reply.

Lo wrote: "Me as well.

I also apologize for the inactive topics, Leah and H99. Though not really my fault, I feel somewhat responsible as I sort of left Goodreads entirely for three months when I went throu..."

It's not your fault in the least. I left for a month and a half (at least) due to school, so a) I can't talk, and b) It's still not your fault. Glad to hear that you're feeling better though, and welcome back. :)

Agreed

H99 wrote: "We don't want to become similar to the people whose first priority is their phone, texting, Instagram, etc right?"

Ack shies away I did spend much of my two months watching TV online for like six hours a day. It was actually horrible. Y'know when you feel disgusting after doing nothing all day because you're so bored? Yeah, that was me.

Lo wrote: "H99 wrote: "We don't want to become similar to the people whose first priority is their phone, texting, Instagram, etc right?"

Ack shies away I did spend much of my two months watching TV online f..."

I don't feel disgusted after doing nothing all day. I feel relieved that I got through it ok.I feel disgusted when I have to venture outside,except on the psychotic days when I willingly go outside.

(Wow we're off-topic heh) obviously I'm not the only one who suffers from being unproductive, but do you guys have any advice for how to force yourself to do things, even if you might fail at it or it takes a long time?