Breaking Dawn discussion

I'm sorry Stephennie Meyer, but your series was great, all this suspense leading up to what is supposedly going to be an awesome ending, and then it just goes KERPLUNK and back to happily ever after.... what do you guys have to say about this series?

I agree with you! I didn't like the last book. It seemed like she just wanted to finish the book. I honestly would have preferred a tragic ending. it would have made for a better read

I liked the ending....although the movie's ending was far better!
I liked the illusion of the fight, but yet it was only a vision. I thought everyone got the best of both worlds with the ending of the movie.
Meyer should have incorporated Alice's vision in the book.

You only noticed the cheap, embarrassing, incompetent and pathetic quality of this book at the ENDING? Try the 'beginning'!!

Heck yeah i hated it so much. The whole series was about Bella geting what she wants when she wanted it. By the end it was all too much. Arrrggg. I dont hate the series believe me just the ending, Steph could have done better.

not at all pathetic

The writing was poor, but for some reason, it drew me in. The movies were terrible, but that is because the books are so bad. The ending to Breaking Dawn was just so anticlimactic. It felt like a let down after all of the angst throughout the series.

I think Stephanie should of cleaned up the story a little more after Renesmee was born. For example the fact that Charlie was so okay with fact that something was up with Bella but he didn't ask anymore questions after her lousy explanation. I thought that was dumb. He was sooo ok after he found out about Jacob, didn't he want a little background info? To me it really does seem like she rushed to finish Breaking Dawn. Stephanie said that she wasn't a violent person but in New Moon there was a whole battle and everyone came out fine....ummm?

But with all that being said...I still like the Twilight Saga lol

I loved the series...with no apologies for it

I love the story line. The biggest let downs were the boringness in New Moon and then how she added in a whole bunch of characters at the ending of Breaking Dawn for no reason!!

I loved this whole series...love the movies...Love me some Edward (as you can see by my profile pic) .

The ending definitely could have been better, but I still like the book. It gave a lot of nice closure to the whole series. I actually wish she'd written another one or two to give us some more about the Bella/Edward and Jacob/Renesmee relationships. That would have been nice. I have a hard time letting a book go after "happily ever after" though. I an greedy and want more, even if it is just their mundane everyday lives.

I enjoyed the movie only because I imagined her asking for a divorce in a century or two.

I liked the series so far and I have just finished Breaking Dawn. I agree with you. I can't even find the right words to describe what Meyer did to me with that twist...
I mean it's okay to turn Bella into the vampire she's always wanted to be, it's even okay to let her and all the cullens survive and "live" happily ever after BUT it's not okay to prepare a battlefield of vampires who are just waiting for a trigger to kill each other and then they just like turn around and leave... The whole speech that was held could have been saved for that matter...
Now we sit and wonder if Bella ever gets to see the disadvantages of being a vampire because apparently she's not because they are in they're perfect piece of forever. She'll probably be okay having her daughter get involved with Jacob.
Poor Jacob by the way...

vanessa wrote: "I think Stephanie should of cleaned up the story a little more after Renesmee was born. For example the fact that Charlie was so okay with fact that something was up with Bella but he didn't ask an..."

yes she kind of used the last half of the book to prepare a fight and then decided to just finish this book and be done but describing a fight as big as this was gonna be, would take her maybe another book and since she couldn't bare to kill off anyone except for Irina (wtf? like they just accept her being killed for no good reason at all and do nothing about it??)

I am angry at this ending lol

The book should have ended with Nessie being born.
I definitely believe that someone should have died along the line (one of the the Cullens that is) but someone who was not as important as the others.
Like Rose! Or Emmett or Jasper.
Even better and Edward like erases Bella's memory of him as she marries Jacob.
Any other alternate endings?

Amgeo3 wrote: "I'm sorry Stephennie Meyer, but your series was great, all this suspense leading up to what is supposedly going to be an awesome ending, and then it just goes KERPLUNK and back to happily ever afte..."

Yep.

Totally agree. They've been having troubles for almost 4 years (and 3 books) and then they got a child and every thing is fine. I like happy endings but it's too happy for me :)

beautiful ending, love edward and bella <3

I love the ending of this book! the movie ending was better tho if you don't see the flaws in the whole Alice being able to see the half-breeds in her vision!!

Not just the ending, but most of Breaking Dawn was pathetic. The baby is a gigantic plot hole, so from the minute Bella gets pregnant, the story is based on crap. I'm all for surprise twists, but it has to work within the rules of the story.

And the way that SM resolved all of the conflicts FOR the characters, rather than made them work for it or earn their resolutions. The previous books were so much better in comparison. Total let down.

Mary wrote: "...it's not okay to prepare a battlefield of vampires who are just waiting for a trigger to kill each other and then they just like turn around and leave... "

Totally agree. SM basically hit us over the head with the Merchant of Venice foreshadowing, but it doesn't make sense. Merchant of Venice is a courtroom drama. We were on a battlefield. There's no such thing as one side of a conflict acting as an objective judge, especially since Aro's supposed to be corrupt, and Edward supposedly KNEW that he was corrupt. With that knowledge, coming to the battlefield at all was a non-starter. For them to stand around talking, then just turn around and walk away made no sense at all. Such a crappy ending. No wonder they had to change it up for the movie. They knew if anybody saw the movie but never read the book, they'd walk out of the theater demanding their money back.

Not all the stories have to be so tragic... if you want tragedy read another book becuase this is more like the dream of a teenager.

Angela wrote: "Not all the stories have to be ... book becuase this is more like the dream of a teenager."

A very unimaginative teenage dream.
But true this series really does have a ''dream'' format. Sweet, passionate start then happy ending

Angela wrote: "Not all the stories have to be so tragic... if you want tragedy read another book becuase this is more like the dream of a teenager."

Stories don't have to be tragic. It's just that in this case, it didn't make sense for the ending to go this way. Some of us would like some amount of realism in our fantasy stories.

Can you see Harry Potter ending in the same fashion? The Deatheaters and the defenders of Hogwarts are poised for battle. Voldemort and Harry stand face to face, wands at the ready and Voldemort says, "No, Harry. I AM your father!"

Harry lowers his wand. "Really? Blimey, it's a good thing I got Mum's nose. Fancy a pint?"

And they all walk away.

It's a silly example, but that's basically what SM gave us. It's not realistic in the context of the story, especially if the Volturi are judge, jury and executioner, and corrupt as well.

Rel8tivity wrote: "Angela wrote: "Not all the stories have to be so tragic... if you want tragedy read another book becuase this is more like the dream of a teenager."

Stories don't have to be tragic. It's just that..."

Amusing example. The problem with that is that Voldemort doesn't give a crap about his followers. Aro has some sort of love for his precious guard, so he's not likely to put them into a situation where he will lose many of them. It's really not in his best interest at all. He might take the Cullens down, but at too great a price. I think SM did alright with realizing this dilemma.

I felt like all of book three (in Breaking Dawn) was rushed. I felt like Meyer drug out some unimportant parts and rushed through the really important stuff. I liked the movie's ending better because we saw why Aro just... let it go. He obviously came there ready to kill and didn't. We didn't know why. He just left and took the others with him. It was anticlimactic and just... ugh.

"Some of us would like some amount of realism in our fantasy stories."... I'm not sure if the battle would give a bit of realism because in the actual people weight what they can loose or gain and rethink their actions, which was what happend in the book... "wil you comdemn all of us for the death of your sister?".

The series I enjoyed yes a weak ending.Edward & Bella got what they wanted each other & bonus a baby! Im glad Jacob imprinted but did it have to be Renesme? Maybe SM left the ending so she coukd write a futurre story of Jacob & Renesme lives.

Bridget wrote: "Amusing example. The problem with that is that Voldemort doesn't give a crap about his followers. Aro has some sort of love for his precious guard, so he's not likely to put them into a situation where he will lose many of them. It's really not in his best interest at all. He might take the Cullens down, but at too great a price. I think SM did alright with realizing this dilemma. "

I'd have to say yes and no. Aro was willing to kill his own sister, in order to further his ambitions. So I wouldn't say he has love for his troops, even though he refers to them as his children. He cares for them only as far as they enhance his power. The question is, how much does he weigh that against the threat of the assembled vampires and werewolves?

Yes, I know that Bella and her shield tip the balance so that Aro won't have the easy victory he's been used to. But this is also part of the pathetic nature of this ending. Making your character super-powerful destroys the drama of the story. All comic book writers know this, and the story crossed over from vampires to superheroes the moment we got introduced to the LSV - Legion of Super Vamps. Every superhero has his or her own kryptonite, otherwise the story gets boring. That's why Simon and Schuster introduced kryptonite, because it wasn't interesting for Superman to be completely invulnerable.

This much power being available to Bella was not realistic to me, based on what was written before. Less than a week before the battle, she was struggling to push her shield out enough to cover one person, and had tenuous control over it. Now, in the heat of battle, suddenly she's able to extend hundreds of yards, and mold it like a Jedi Master to fit between Garrett and Kate who are TOUCHING? This is like 9-year old Anakin Skywalker, suddenly being able to take out Master Yoda. I've read comic books for years and this was a completely unrealistic progression. I can see rage and adrenaline giving her a boost, but not to that extent.

This, coupled with the deus ex machina entry of Alice at the last moment to say "these aren't the droids you're looking for," make for an unsatisfactory ending. In all the previous books, Bella or Edward struggled and suffered to resolve their conflicts. It made for an interesting story. In the last book, they've learned nothing and didn't earn their resolution by their own means. It's all done FOR them. Yeah, it's a happy ending, but it's a big SO WHAT because it's been handed to them.

The ending was soooo lame! There was this great build-up of impending doom, then at the end it was like "lol, nevermind" and then all was well? Pathetic. If a battle is promised, please deliver a battle! Not that I'm advocating for conflict or anything...

You think that it was very unrealistic the way she took over her power? then, you skipped the part when she accepted the whole "mythic world" so easily, and then, when she was a vampire and could control her thirst surprisingly fast.

Angela wrote: "I'm not sure if the battle would give a bit of realism because in the actual people weight what they can loose or gain and rethink their actions, which was what happend in the book... "wil you comdemn all of us for the death of your sister?". "

Actually, I didn't think it made sense for them to even be at the battlefield in the first place. Supposedly, Bree Tanner gave Edward a brain dump on how the Volturi were gunning for them. Edward saw in Aro's mind how much he wanted Alice and him to join the Volturi, or at least didn't want Carlisle to have them. If they know that the Volturi are corrupt, what sense does it make that they try to negotiate with them? That gathering of witnesses to testify would be a futile exercise.

Basically, the take home is that SM didn't keep all the things she had written in mind when she wrote the last book. Too many things contradict each other, to make any kind of sense. That's the sense of realism I'm talking about.

Angela wrote: "You think that it was very unrealistic the way she took over her power? then, you skipped the part when she accepted the whole "mythic world" so easily, and then, when she was a vampire and could control her thirst surprisingly fast."

Yet again, here is another place that didn't make a lot of sense. There was no foreshadowing that the newborn phase could be bypassed completely. Even Carlisle was driven so ravenous by thirst that he attacked a deer out of desperation. Bella was supposedly sensitive to blood. Remember biology class? If, as Edward said, human traits get magnified as they're brought forward, then Bella should have been hypersensitive to blood - far more than any of the others. It would have been an even harder struggle for her to resist her blood lust than anybody else, including Jasper.

Furthermore, I don't see a connection between acceptance of a new way of life and the potency of supernatural gifts. One is whether you adjust well to your status as a vampire, and the other is something that was created in the vampiric transformation. I don't see how Bella not freaking out about eating animals and wanting to kill people would translate into mastery of her shield.

Rel8tivity wrote: Yet again, here is another place that didn't make a lot of sense. There was no foreshadowing that the newborn phase could be bypassed completely. Even Carlisle was driven...

You are right.
I was also kind skeptikal at the explanation about her gift. I think that even in the movie it had to be changed by something like her grand-grand- parent was a shield.

I agree with your reasonings but if nothing extremely painful (besides the departure of Edward and the broken heart of Jacod)happened early, why it had to happened at he final?, it was for sure that someone of "her beloved familiy" was going to die and from the first book, when Jane didn't even touch her mom, it was like a prediction that all the characters would be allright. Take for example the scene in Italy.

Why did someone have to die? poor Bella, i felt relieved when things turned on that way... yes, the vulturies are cruel, bad people, maybe Jacob and Reneesme someday will deal with them, but i don't think it's incoherent that they didn't in this book.

Yes i think the ending was a waste. After reading a book as fat as Breaking Dawn i expected Meyer to be ore creative. it was all talk-talk and nothing really happened!! With all the great skills and fight training and all this bunch of vampires just talk it out...Nawww. The end was a major let down.

Angela wrote: "You are right.
I was also kind skeptikal at the explanation about her gift. I think that even in the movie it had to be changed by something like her grand-grand- parent was a shield.

I agree with your reasonings but if nothing extremely painful (besides the departure of Edward and the broken heart of Jacod)happened early, why it had to happened at he final?, it was for sure that someone of "her beloved familiy" was going to die and from the first book, when Jane didn't even touch her mom, it was like a prediction that all the characters would be allright. Take for example the scene in Italy."

In my opinion, they did a number of things better in the movies than in the books. The shield was better, as it was more limited and didn't cover the entire battlefield. I even give them a pass on the baby, because they don't go into the level of detail that makes the baby impossible in the books. One thing the movies screwed up on, though. In Alice's vision that she presents to Aro, she can see the wolves. She's NOT SUPPOSED to be able to see the wolves, in either the books or the movies. But if they had ended the movie without the vision battle scene, we would have been left with what was in the books: they come, they talk, they leave. Pathetic.

I'm afraid I missed that part in the first book. Jane wasn't introduced until New Moon, so not sure how she's involved with Bella's mom. Did you perhaps mean Victoria?

I'm not saying that somebody HAS to die in every book. Nobody died in New Moon (except for some tourists) and it was still a good story. I just think that there was potential for more drama, and more satisfactory resolutions than we were given, that would have stayed true to the universe that SM created. Instead she rushed this ending through, and it was so disappointing.

I meant James.

Bella was so concerned about her mom, but she didn't get hurt... concerned about Edward and he didn't die... concerned about Jacod and he imprinted on Nessy... concerned about those strangers and could protect them... That was the universe i saw.

Angela wrote: "I meant James.

Bella was so concerned about her mom, but she didn't get hurt... concerned about Edward and he didn't die... concerned about Jacod and he imprinted on Nessy... concerned about those..."

Hmm, let me see if I have it right. Those people for whom Bella feared the most for their safety, were not harmed. So that meant in SM's universe, nothing negative was supposed to happen? That they were all intended to have happily ever afters? Was that what you meant?

Rel8tivity wrote: "Angela wrote: "I meant James.

Bella was so concerned about her mom, but she didn't get hurt... concerned about Edward and he didn't die... concerned about Jacod and he imprinted on Nessy... concer..."

Is not that what happens in the story?

That was exactly what i meant... The perfect ending for a romantic saga... it was stated from the bigining of the saga. The recruitment of the superpowerful vampires, from my point of view, was maybe an advice from one of SM' relatives (she thanks to many people...)but she didn't unfocus from her primary purporse: create endless love and give happy endings.

You claim more drama and Rowling wouldn't mind, Tolkien wouldn't mind, Hardy wouldn't mind,the movie's director wouldn't mind, many people wouldn't mind but SM did mind. As you said that was the universe she created, a universe of happy endings. That's why i think the end was not incoherent.

No. I enjoyed it to the very end. In my mind everything foreshadowed that not only did Bella become a vampire, but she was MEANT to be one by fate. The many times she came close to dying even living in a safe little town, such as the car accident and the gang accosting her at the book store. The way she was so clumsy in her human body and so much more told me that it was in God's plan fore her to be changed this way. So the fact that the venom reacted differently was not a problem.
But most importantly I LOVED the overall message. Bella was not born special. She was not the chosen one. She was not supernatural. The things that made her special were her patient and kind nature. Her ability to trust and remain loving to her mate. It made sense that Edward had to look for a hundred years for someone that selfless and caring, and the reason she gained everything was because she took a risk.
I loved that. She did not run away crying in fear because vampires came after her. She never blamed Edward for being a part of a dangerous world. She took his hand and never let go. She deserves a prize of power, a great mate and much more.

Angela wrote: "That was exactly what i meant... The perfect ending for a romantic saga... it was stated from the bigining of the saga. The recruitment of the superpowerful vampires, from my point of view, was maybe an advice from one of SM' relatives (she thanks to many people...)but she didn't unfocus from her primary purporse: create endless love and give happy endings."

I see. I guess you could look at it that way. Well, as I said, a death is not necessary for a good story. I'm all for happy endings, but I expect the characters to earn it somehow, not have it handed to them. What we had in the previous three books was much better, in this regard.

In Twilight, Bella fights for her mothers' life, trying to sacrifice herself to James in a desperate attempt to save her.

In New Moon, Bella struggled and suffered in her efforts to recover from Edward's desertion. When the opportunity comes to save him, she jumps headfirst into the heart of vampire territory, willing to save him at all costs if necessary.

In Eclipse, Bella is no match physically, for any of the vampires coming to kill her. But she still wants to help, and eventually does, by distracting Victoria and Riley from killing Edward. She further makes the heartbreaking decision (to her) of choosing Edward over Jacob.

In the first three books, the main characters WORKED for their resolutions. They made sacrifices in their attempts to work things out. They got a good ending, but it was something they earned. What conflicts did they face in the last book?

1) Threat of war between the Cullens and the wolves for breaking the treaty
2) Sam's pack attacking to destroy the unknown monster
3) Love triangle
4) The Volturi coming to destroy them over the supposed "immortal child"

In each of these cases, the conflict was resolved by some surprise introduced by the author, not something that the main characters did for themselves. The imprinting resolved #1, 2, and 3 at once. SM introducing the surprise South American hybrid resolved #4. In each of these cases, the issue was resolved FOR the main characters. They came out of it without any growth or development.

If you like that kind of ending, that's fine for you. I'm simply saying that SM did NOT do it that way in the first three books, and they were quite satisfactory. You can have more drama and still have happy endings. The more drama that you say SM didn't want, she DID DO, in the first three. But she deviated from her original method, and instead of an epic ending, gave us this pathetic one.

One thing that we should not be forgetting though is that time is a relative term for vampires when compared to us “muggles”.
We have 24 hrs, 1440 min 86400 seconds in a day and we spend almost half of that time sleeping. Vampires don’t!
So Bella could have trained and strengthened her shield within that time. Making it possible for her to use her shield to protect her loved ones. Therefore eradicating the idea of a full on battle at the end of the series.
The movie in my opinion best depicts the events that could have happened had the fight commenced.
Plus I think Stephanie might have plans to write a book about Renesmee’s and Jacobs adventures. Therefore leading to an epic battle that could possibly blow the whole “ be conspicuous” agenda right out the water.

Sindy wrote: "One thing that we should not be forgetting though is that time is a relative term for vampires when compared to us “muggles”.
We have 24 hrs, 1440 min 86400 seconds in a day and we spend almost ha..."

Not being bound by sleep doesn't mean that the short time of a week tops doesn't give her ample time to learn a new ability. That's like saying that she could learn how to play the cello or how to flay a poisonous fish in under a week with perfection. It's still impossible. No one can learn anything like that in under a week. Wishing thinking, but it's still impossible. Vampirism doesn't give one the ability to do things better, especially when she doesn't have this ability before she turned. She has mind shields, how? Why wasn't Edward able to read Bella's mind? No answer is forthcoming.

If you've read any of Meyer's interviews after Breaking Dawn 2 then you'd know Meyer is done with this series, she's not gonna write for it anymore.

Sindy wrote: "One thing that we should not be forgetting though is that time is a relative term for vampires when compared to us “muggles”.
We have 24 hrs, 1440 min 86400 seconds in a day and we spend almost ha..."

I'm aware of that part of their nature, and in fact I used it in a fic I wrote to figure out how long it would take for Bella to properly train in martial arts. But to your point, she COULD have trained 24/7, but that's not how it was portrayed in the book. She was being mom to RenFailMee, playing host to the Legion of Super Vamps, traipsing off to Seattle for the pointless meeting with J. Jenks, doing Christmas shopping, etc., etc. So many other things than training. Just one week before the battle, Bella tries to shield just one person, and she's struggling with it. So it still doesn't ring true that she gets a burst of anger or adrenaline, and suddenly she's Master Yoda. That's not a realistic progression, and just adds to the Mary Sue nature of the ending.

Doesn't matter to me if SM planned to write a book about Jake and RenFailmee. She still violated her own universe when she pushed the baby into the story, so any further work would still be based on a plot hole the size of the Titanic.

I loved the series...movies included. It was a different and refreshing twist on Vampires. In Twilight, they are not the night stalking, human killing fiends that sleep in coffins in a dank basement during the day; the little twists in their way of existing in dalight, the fact that they don't sleep in coffins (and I love that Edward jokes about that when he shows Bella his room and she looks around and he said something like "what are you looking for, a coffin?" A fictional character poking fun at the fiction! I loved it!

Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed the Twilight series and also enjoyed the Sookie Stakhouse (books - did not like the HBO series AT ALL)

The one kooky thing I did not like in Twilight was Renesmee's name...I think that is a tad bit stupid. I get that she combined Bella's mothers name and Edwards "mothers" name, but still the end result is just a dumb name. The best part was when she and Edward finally get in bed and he tears the freakin bedroom apart!!! and she wakes up with bruises and is like "how did that happen" LOL!!! I mean, don't we all crave a strong, passionate lover who tears the room apart!?!?!?! or is that just me? :-)

Rel8tivity wrote: "Sindy wrote: "One thing that we should not be forgetting though is that time is a relative term for vampires when compared to us “muggles”.
We have 24 hrs, 1440 min 86400 seconds in a day and we s..."

If I could like this I'd give it 100 likes.

Lol fast typing really doesnt agree with me, I had meant to say ''24hrs which is 1440 min which is 86400 sec''
But I got my point across at least.
Which is the ending was a bit dissapointing.

i don't think that the ending was that bad. in fact I thought it was great!!!