Don't Say That discussion

This has to do partly with religion but it also doesn't. So I made a topic just for it. Is it right, wrong? Who should decide?

Really it isn't wrong it's the mothers choice to decide if she wants the baby or not to decide if she an adequate parent or not, sometimes it's better for the baby because the mother wouldn't have enough time for the child between school and everything. So no it's perfectly fine.

I agree with you. I think it should be the mothers choice.

IT IS THE WOMAN'S CHOICE, OKAY. It is her body, she can do whatever she wants with it. If she doesn't want to go through the horrors of pregnancy, and the stress and not to mention the medical costs because she was raped or made a mistake, then let her be.

I think we are all agreed on that so far.

That doesn't mean I can't comment on this too even if it is almost the same as posts people have put on here before.

I wasn't I'm simply stating the fact that we all are in agreement I'm sorry I offended you.

I agree with you guys, it's the woman's choice.
I heard a really interesting argument from someone that was pro-life today, though. They told me that "The argument that it's the mother's body doesn't make sense. The body that is aborted is the baby's body, not the mother's. It's not her body that's being aborted, so it's not her choice."
What do you guys think of that?? Is it a logical argument??

In a way it is but it also isn't. It is the child that is being aborted but the mother usually has a good reason for doing it. Some mothers don't want a child because the can not support the child. Also because if they have the child they might die. No child wants to grow up without a mother there is also the possibility that the child will be blamed for the mothers death.

I think abortion is wrong.Simply because most abortions come from teen girls who sleep around.If you didn't want a baby you shouldn't have had sex.Also why not just put the baby in foster care?there's a lot of people who can't have babies but would love to have one.Even if it's a woman who won't have time they could still put the baby up for adoption.And if you birth the baby you would probably change ur mind. I know if i carried a baby for 9 months and birthed it i would feel something different from giving life.

Lamont (Monty) wrote: "I think abortion is wrong.Simply because most abortions come from teen girls who sleep around.If you didn't want a baby you shouldn't have had sex.Also why not just put the baby in foster care?ther..."

I agree with you

You bring up a really good point, Monty.

There is always the possibility that the the woman got pregnant by accident or she could have been raped.

Lamont (Monty) wrote: "I think abortion is wrong.Simply because most abortions come from teen girls who sleep around.If you didn't want a baby you shouldn't have had sex.Also why not just put the baby in foster care?ther..."

What about people who get raped?

That's what I said.

Fine. What about people with health problems and they know that the baby will die because of it? What then?

*Gloria* ~In The Clouds~ wrote: "Fine. What about people with health problems and they know that the baby will die because of it? What then?"

Then you give the child the best life they can have with the time they have.

What happens if it also kills the mother. Or if the Child will always in pain. Then wouldn't it be a mercy to kill it.

Nephilim wrote: "There is always the possibility that the the woman got pregnant by accident or she could have been raped."

There are no accidents and though rape is not "planned" by the woman, I believe and know that it was planned already by God and even though it is under terrible circumstances that aren't right, there is a life that comes out of this. Which in this is also proof that though evil is here on this earth, for whatever bad things happen, God makes good come out of it.
Abortion is basically a "nice " way to say "hey, I never wanted you so let me just kill you now."
It isn't right.

I ask this, murder is against the law correct? Even if it was an "accident". So what is the difference here when it comes to abortion? It's killing a child, no, it's killing a baby.

In the Jewish religion the child is not alive until it is born. Before that it is not alive. Also God can not watch over all of us why would he pay attention to one human. And no good will come of it if the child is hated or the mother is killed in child birth.

Nephilim wrote: "What happens if it also kills the mother. Or if the Child will always in pain. Then wouldn't it be a mercy to kill it."

No

gallium-knight:
Here’s a test:
I’m holding a baby in one hand and a petri dish holding a fetus in the other.
I’m going to drop one. You chose which.
If you really truly believe a fetus is the same thing as a baby, it should be impossible for you to decide. You should have to flip a coin, that’s how impossible the decision should be.
Shot in the dark, you saved the baby.
Because you’re aware there’s a difference.
Now admit it

(Via tumblr)

The philosophy that the child isn't alive until birth though is incorrect, as the baby has a heartbeat, has movement, and feeds off of body nourishment before that

Here answer the question above and you will see.

Nephilim wrote: "In the Jewish religion the child is not alive until it is born. Before that it is not alive. Also God can not watch over all of us why would he pay attention to one human. And no good will come of ..."

Who says He can't? He is God. He works in the impossibilities. And I don't see it that way. AS soon as the baby starts developing, it's very much alive. Because we don't see the good out of it at first doesn't mean there is none. Why would the child be hated? There is no reason for that to happen. And if it is so because of the fact that the mother dies that is foolish. I don't know any mother who would rather have the child die so they can live.

Many woman who are raped feel violated and hate the person who did it. Having a child especially on that was conceived in such a brutal way would drive the mother to sadness and hatred. Also, there is also the possibility there is no God then why was she raped.

Nephilim wrote: "Many woman who are raped feel violated and hate the person who did it. Having a child especially on that was conceived in such a brutal way would drive the mother to sadness and hatred. Also, there..."

THANKYOU
*fast clapping in the distance*

For what?

Nephilim wrote: "Many woman who are raped feel violated and hate the person who did it. Having a child especially on that was conceived in such a brutal way would drive the mother to sadness and hatred. Also, there..."

I don't know why these things happen. So don't get me wrong, I understand how its horrible. I understand how there would be anger in it. How it would feel disgusting basically to have that child. But I also believe that there are no coincidences. Everything happens for a reason and I know that God is good.

There is no God. Also, if there was one he would mot like humans.

@Paigetwo

If everything happens for a reason than people who abort did it for a reason God deemed worthy.

That too.

Nephilim wrote: "There is no God. Also, if there was one he would mot like humans."

Why do you say that?

*Gloria* ~In The Clouds~ wrote: "@Paigetwo

If everything happens for a reason than people who abort did it for a reason God deemed worthy."

No. God gave us free will. He has a plan. But we still make decisions and pay for the consequences.

Wait god gave us free will to chose but he has a plan for us so what if we chose something he didn't plan? or does it matter if I choose either way because both are planed out?

Consider it like this: there's a boy. His father has planned what the most righteous path is and which one should be taken. But the son has freewill and can choose to take the righteous path or take a different, unrighteous one. If he takes the unrighteous one, which he shouldn't of have, he is in the wrong.But if he asks his father to forgive him,and means it, and gets on the righteous path he'll be in the right and shall be forgiven.

Lamont (Monty) wrote: "Consider it like this: there's a boy. His father has planned what the most righteous path is and which one should be taken. But the son has freewill and can choose to take the righteous path or tak..."

Yea, great example/explanation

thanks, i try

:)

John wrote: "Really it isn't wrong it's the mothers choice to decide if she wants the baby or not to decide if she an adequate parent or not, sometimes it's better for the baby because the mother wouldn't have ..."

I might be dead if that should be the case. I don't know why someone should be able to decide whether or not I get to be alive. It confuses me.
Yes, there may be the exceptions. But many people aren't talking about just the exceptions.

Nephilim wrote: "There is no God. Also, if there was one he would mot like humans."

Don't try convincing people God is not real. First off, most people that have a relationship with God are much happier. So even if he wasn't real, don't take that happiness away from people, please.

Kay [Barbie doll] wrote: "Nephilim wrote: "There is no God. Also, if there was one he would mot like humans."

Don't try convincing people God is not real. First off, most people that have a relationship with God are much h..."
Amen *clapping

personally, i would never get an abortion. i view it as murder. however, im not gonna be mean to those who do get one; if one of my friends got an abortion, and people were bullying her or harassing her because of it, i would stand up for her.

I would too. I would just tell her I thought it was wrong before she got it and try to tell her to give him/her up for adoption. if she did get an abortion I would still be her friend

Of course... you can't judge someone for a choice they made in the past. But honestly... there are worse things than carrying a child for nine months if your health isn't endangered.

Julia wrote: "personally, i would never get an abortion. i view it as murder. however, im not gonna be mean to those who do get one; if one of my friends got an abortion, and people were bullying her or harassin..."
Yes! I would never tell someone to kill a person who did nothing wrong but come along too early.

Julia wrote: "personally, i would never get an abortion. i view it as murder. however, im not gonna be mean to those who do get one; if one of my friends got an abortion, and people were bullying her or harassin..."

Yea, or even talk her out of it. Adoption is a wonderful thing.

My perspective on abortion: it's wrong, except in the cases of rape, incest, or risk to the mother's life.

All this "it's her body, she can do what she wants" stuff is bullshit. It's not her body. It's the baby's body.

Now, let me revise my first statement. I still think abortion is wrong in all cases, but in the qualifying situations, I think that it is understandable if a mother wants to abort her baby. Preferably, however, they should birth the baby and give it up for adoption.

Miss…Waitwhat? [Taylor] wrote: "My perspective on abortion: it's wrong, except in the cases of rape, incest, or risk to the mother's life.

All this "it's her body, she can do what she wants" stuff is bullshit. It's not her body...."

Good point.

I definitely think that abortion is a horrible thing and that if after having the baby they still don't want him/her then give him/her up to adoption also i believe no sex until marriage and if the woman is raped then and she dosen't what the baby she should also then give it up for adoption.

:)