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From the entirety of Psalm 119 to John 1:1, the Word is about Jesus Christ. No bible = an invalid discussion of our Lord. Separating Jesus and the bible is a 100 mph fiery dart from the pit of hell.
Wade wrote: "From the entirety of Psalm 119 to John 1:1, the Word is about Jesus Christ. No bible = an invalid discussion of our Lord. Separating Jesus and the bible is a 100 mph fiery dart from the pit of hell."Amen Wade!
This discussion isn't about Robert Dallmann, Mattia. It's about Jesus. He wrote some scripture which backs up the importance of the bible. Can you counter that information with anything substantive which refutes it?
Mattia wrote: "I answer for me. I try to listen to God, but I don't suffer to listen ti Roberto (Dallman). He doesn't distinguish between himself (Robert) and Him. It seems that the Word is property of him (Robert)."Please address the topic. Why should anyone listen to YOUR doctrine... when you offer NO Bible to validate your OPINIONS?
Mattia wrote: "It is better a proposal of an own doctrine, that your presomption of the identification between your thoughts and the Word itself...."My response: LOL!!!!! Now that is sadly funny. Here is what Mattia calls presumption...
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Acts 17:11
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so .
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God , and is profitable for doctrine , for reproof , for correction , for instruction in righteousness :
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Hopefully Robert knows how to remove people. I've never had to do it before. (i'm a lazy moderator for the other groups im in.)
So God says that ALL Scripture is profitable for doctrine... why then do many Christians post NO Scripture, and try to establish sound doctrine based on their OPINIIONS?
Romans 3:44 God forbid: yea, let God be true , but every man a liar ; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Acts 17:11
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so .
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God , and is profitable for doctrine , for reproof , for correction , for instruction in righteousness :
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Don't just post it - share and discuss it. Even deal with difficult issues between a Peter and a Paul. Explore it.
Rod wrote: "Don't just post it - share and discuss it. Even deal with difficult issues between a Peter and a Paul. Explore it."My response: Paul PUBLICLY REBUKED Peter... Peter received the rebuke and was corrected!
There is NO discussion... NO debate... NO counselling recorded between them...
This is the proper approach in a public forum... where false doctrine is being embraced publicly...
PUBLIC REBUKE!
True Christians will do what Peter did (call Paul a "beloved brother")....
Self-willed people will CRY about the rebuke and claim it is NOT CHRISTLIKE.
"IT IS WRITTEN"
This phrase is used 63 times in the New Testament. 26 times in the Gospels.
Quoting the Word of God is important to the Bible authors!
Who in the Bible, QUOTES the Scripture?GOOD GUYS - - - - - - - - - - BAD GUYS
Jesus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Satan
Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
Peter
Stephen
Paul
James
Philip
This list in NOT exhaustive!
It never ceases to amaze me... that some Christians get all up in arms when the Word of God is
directly quoted
!Imagine quoting the Bible and Christians claim... "satan quoted the Bible too"... as though that invalidates the Scripture ???
Has anyone else been BERATED for quoting the Bible... to fellow Christians?
Idiot, quoting the bible is not the issue. Christianity is not being persecuted or oppressed here: your behaviour is.Demanding that others fulfill your agenda is the issue.
Rod wrote: "Idiot, quoting the bible is not the issue. Christianity is not being persecuted or oppressed here: your behaviour is. Demanding that others fulfill your agenda is the issue."My response: Clearly, quoting Scripture IS the issue... if it were not... YOU WOULD QUOTE IT!
Rod wrote: "Here we go again..."John 15:7 - "If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you..."
Matthew 12:34 - "...for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh."
Just as Jesus rebukes teachers of the law for being too wrapped up in doctrine and not enough in thoughtful pursuit of His message so we must rebuke Robert D. for his overexuberance toward strict Biblical adherence without the accompanying empathy needed for effective witnessing. Of course, he won't take the rebukes of many and prefers to rebuke all and sundry, not for their professed Faith, but for their lack of Scripture quotation although they read and study it copiously. Sounds to me suspiciously like a vagrant who insists one needs to eat at a soup kitchen to experience real food. w
Robert wrote: "Just as Jesus rebukes teachers of the law for being too wrapped up in doctrine and not enough in thoughtful pursuit of His message so we must rebuke Robert D. ..."My response: LOL!!!!! Jesus rebuked them for their false interpretations of the Word of God... NOT for their endorsement of it!
Show me ONE VERSE where Jesus DISPARAGES His Father's Word! (Like you do!)
Robert wrote: "without the accompanying empathy needed for effective witnessing..."My response: How many people did you share the Gospel of Jesus with today?
Actually, lets make this simple, What IS the TRUE Gospel of the Bible ?
If you cannot answer that question, then you shared it with NO ONE!
Without the Bible, doctrine and doctrinal discussions are like Israel during the time of the judges...Judges 21:25 - "In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes ."
Today, TRUE Christians have a King... Jesus! And He has a Royal Law... the Bible! And we are NOT allowed to do that which is right in our own eyes.
Robert - I believe 95% of the Bible, but I have discernment, something you're missing. I know being a spitlickle will get you places in this world, but God is not impressed with your phony excess piety. You can't hide your true nature from Him, Robert!
Robert wrote: "Robert - I believe 95% of the Bible, but I have discernment, something you're missing. I know being a spitlickle will get you places in this world, but God is not impressed with your phony excess p..."Jesus believes ALL the Bible... and He has BETTER discernment than you!
In addition to the special revelation of the Bible, there is also the general revelation of nature, so even those who have never had the Bible are without excuse. However, we are seeing as through a glass really, really darkly if we don't use God's word to speak to us about truth.
Life in Christ The text and ancient visual language are a delightful combination giving voice to yet unspoken insights and deeper discernment about what it means to live a spiritual existence. It is my great hope that the fascinating tradition inherent in icons will draw you into their ancient noesis. Biblical wisdom is unending and limitless. peace
I seems that many today like to "TALK" about God... but prefer NOT to "LISTEN" to God... i.e. they DON'T refer to the Bible.
God disapproves of this "willy nilly" approach to His Holy Word!
Acts 17:11
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so .
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God , and is profitable for doctrine , for reproof , for correction , for instruction in righteousness :
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.