Political Debates discussion

How should the US approach healthcare in a way that is most effective for the most amount of people? Personally I find price controls and a Medicare for all policy to be a good step in the right direction but at this point it might be too late and too little

How American Health Care Killed My Father

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...

In this editorial the author guts both insurance and "medicare for all", instead making a solid argument for free market medicine with government support for catastrophes and the poor.

I think in the wake of COVID and the absolute shortcomings of the free market healthcare system that the US has proven itself to be I think that this has proven itself outdated

Overall time and time again socialized healthcare systems have proven themselves to be superior to free market healthcare in both metrics of price and effectiveness and user experience. Not only that, but the majority of Americans prefer a more socialized healthcare system.

Matthew wrote: "Overall time and time again socialized healthcare systems have proven themselves to be superior to free market healthcare in both metrics of price and effectiveness and user experience. Not only th..."

Until the country goes bankrupt, and the patients are more concerned about keeping their place in the bread line, than getting that lump checked out.

Except that’s just not what’s been happening theoretically or empirically. Those with universal public healthcare systems and robust price controls haven’t been going bankrupt or experiencing breadlines. They’ve experienced increased quintiles of life as well as being more equipped to handle pandemics.

Matthew wrote: "Except that’s just not what’s been happening theoretically or empirically. Those with universal public healthcare systems and robust price controls haven’t been going bankrupt or experiencing bread..."

Really?

From Human Rights Watch:

Venezuela's Health Care Crisis Poses a Global Threat

https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/03/12/v....

J. wrote: "Matthew wrote: "Except that’s just not what’s been happening theoretically or empirically. Those with universal public healthcare systems and robust price controls haven’t been going bankrupt or ex..."

Is Venezuela the only country that exists that has a socialized healthcare system? Hell even America has one. It's called the VA.

J. wrote: "Matthew wrote: "Except that’s just not what’s been happening theoretically or empirically. Those with universal public healthcare systems and robust price controls haven’t been going bankrupt or ex..."

Also it should be noted that Venezuela is under constant economic sanctions, military coup attempts funded by the US, and that has a detrimental affect on public healthcare. Despite all of this they were STILL better equipped at handling COVID than the US.
https://coronavirus.nautil.us/worst-c...

Matthew wrote: "J. wrote: "Matthew wrote: "Except that’s just not what’s been happening theoretically or empirically. Those with universal public healthcare systems and robust price controls haven’t been going ban..."

And the VA is considered a disaster.

Papaphilly wrote: "Matthew wrote: "J. wrote: "Matthew wrote: "Except that’s just not what’s been happening theoretically or empirically. Those with universal public healthcare systems and robust price controls haven’..."

No it isn't. VA outperforms private healthcare by every metric. I love the VA.

https://prospect.org/health/veterans-...

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/28/va-ve...

Papaphilly wrote: "https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/28/va-ve..."

And despite those setbacks, and how hard it is to treat military members, and massive attempts to defund and privatize the system it still outperforms private healthcare on every metric.

https://www.philadelphia.va.gov/featu...