You'll love this one...!! A book club & more discussion

We're going to finish the trilogy sometime in January. We can discuss who is going to join in on the discussion and when we'll read.

I would prefer after the 17th. I will be in hospital on the 12th and 13th, and may need time to recuperate.

the 17th works for me!

Works for me

I admire you all for persevering! I hope you will enjoy the final book :)

17th is ok for me too!

I'm good with the 17th. I'm anxious to finish the trilogy, but work has been crazy this past month. Not sorry I have the mental capacity to follow the different stories and identities right now!

Is anyone ready to start this book? I will finish my current audiobook this afternoon and I'd like to start our book tomorrow if that's alright with everyone.

I'm good with that. Should finish my current audio book today.

I can start any time.

and I completely lost my voice so I have an extra day off work!

I am next in line for the book. 1 of 2 copies.
I can start as soon as I have it.

I can start right away. I should be able to finish the current story I am reading today.

I started the book at lunch time and I am now at the Prologue.

Janice- are you listening to the audiobook?
I am curious if the narrator is going to do the Series Recap, which is the first 3% of the book.
I just finished reading it. (Something about Asha was clarified for me but there was nothing new that we could/should have picked up in the previous books).

Darn work - I have to stop now.

Yes, the narrator did the recap. I'm glad that he did.

I finished to the end of Chapter 3.

Prologue - (view spoiler)[I wonder if Caeden ever succeeds in dying. I don't think it's this time. It's too much story to get through. (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 1/2 - (view spoiler)[ I really wish we could have an oathstone and make a few politicians tell the truth. (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 3 - (view spoiler)[ I feel quite anxious for Davian. He's being set up to be an unwilling pawn for the Venerate. I hope he's able to thwart their plans. (hide spoiler)]

Oh, I am glad the narrator read the Recap, Janice.

Prologue - (view spoiler)[ So, Caeden has all of his memories back now.
He knows he will kill Davian 2000 years in the past, but I still cannot figure out how Davian will get there. Alaris did not agree to let him go and now he is trapped in the Wells, so how is he going to get rescued? I hope it didn't hurt too much when Caeden hit bottom and I wonder where he will be when we hear from him next. (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 1/2 (view spoiler)[ So - a year later and... Finally, we are learning what happened during the rebellion and why Wirr was attacked when he went to visit his mother and who was behind it.
I thought all of the sha'teth were dead after Asha killed the one that Is was torturing. (hide spoiler)] Lol about your spoiler above for the same chapters. ;o)

Off to read chapter 3 now.

Chapter 3/4 - (view spoiler)[ Well, that was strange. Who was that guy that killed himself in the arena? What now? Do we believe that Fessi is really dead? (hide spoiler)]

Chapters 5/6 - (view spoiler)[ The dok’en companion is interesting. Caden Tal must have patterned her on his wife? I wonder how Darin’s was able to break in? Are the Venerate accessing Davian or Caeden? (hide spoiler)]

Chapters 5/6 - (view spoiler)[ The dok’en companion is interesting. Caden Tal must have patterned her on his wife? I wonder how Darin’s was able to break in? Are the Venerate accessing Davian or Caeden? (hide spoiler)]

Chapters 4-10

Caeden - (view spoiler)[His storylines always confuse me. I thought we were done with the memories. But nooooo.... Did we see the snake-like creatures before? (hide spoiler)]

Asha - (view spoiler)[Interesting that she mentally escapes the tributary into a constructed beautiful world. She can't seem to escape the Venerate though, (hide spoiler)]

Davian - (view spoiler)[ Nor can Davian escape them. Nethgalla has made a reappearance. Can Davian trust her? (hide spoiler)]

Cherie wrote: "Chapter 3/4 - [spoilers removed]"

(view spoiler)[nothing is as it seems in this story. (view spoiler)[ (hide spoiler)] (hide spoiler)]

Hahaha, you must have the listening speed turned up, Janice. I just finished chapters 7 and 8.

I can’t read your spoilers on my iPod. I had to remove the GR mobile app from my tablet because I was running out of memory space and it is not upgradable. I have to log onto my laptop to read spoilers.

Chapter 7/8 - (view spoiler)[ The Forge dream/memory cleared up a few things, maybe but opened more questions. I suspect that the guy who found Caeden may be Scyner/Jakarrris. What do you think? (hide spoiler)]

I had more than that above, but the Mobil app on my iPod now limits the length of comments.

More on Ch 7/8(view spoiler)[ Now we know why there were always 13 Augurs because Alchesh took the 13 strands into himself at the Forge. How did they get separated into 12 other bodies? I can’t quite get my head around that though. Hopefully we will find out. Is the golden winged amulet at the Forge the same one that was used on Rohin, that Scyner has? (That is why I think that is who found Caeden on the rock.). Cyr sounds like an interesting guy. I hope we get to meet him and he is ok after being in the Tributary after 2K+ years. (hide spoiler)]

I finished chapter 14.
My head hurts! I’m going to bed.

I listen at 1.5x

Ask me any question and I'll respond, "I don't know, haven't a clue, and I'm not sure I care." I really wish I hadn't bought all 3 books in the series because I feel obligated to read them all. If I had bought just the first one, I wouldn't have continued. The world is so complicated and convoluted. I could study it all and figure it out, but I'm not that into it. I'm really not keen on working this hard to read a story. At this point, I'm reading just to finish the book.

Chapter 11 - 15

(view spoiler)[ I don't trust Scyner or Nethgalla. I think Caeden is wise to keep him at arm's length. There's an all out campaign to find out where Asha's tributary is.

I had to laugh when Caeden went into Asha's tributary and was attacked. He deserved it. Will she be ready for whats-her-face?

Caeden was surprised when he saw Ell. I wonder how this will play out. (hide spoiler)]

I just listened to the recap. I will head into the book more tomorrow. I am going to veg out with Doctor Who for awhile :)

I finished ch 1-2 (view spoiler)[ I hated how rushed the meeting was right there at the end of ch 2. They just spilled a bunch of juicy stuff and then had no time to discuss! It sheds some light on stuff that has gone before. Even with the recap - I am still a bit on the lost side - but that seems to be par for the course for these books. SO I'll just keep going and see what I can figure out by the end! (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 16-21

(view spoiler)[ Did Davian sacrifice himself, knowing that Caeden would kill him, causing a critical shift in Caeden's outlook?

I'm glad that Asha is going to be released from the tributary. And it's interesting that Caeden has bonded himself to an oath that he would end his own life when the Venerate are all dead.

I don't know what the end game is with this prison world Davian is on. (hide spoiler)]

I think it is the complexity of the story that keeps me at it, Janice. Reading it gives me a chance to go back and reread something, even when I cannot figure it out, exactly.

I know that I am still missing things. I just cannot see the whole of all that is happening. I I am not sure that I am supposed to though and - that also makes me keep at it.

I just finished chapter 23. I was off work today and spent the whole time reading. I wasted the day yesterday watching Stargate SG-1 reruns on Netflix with my granddaughter. Voyager is not available to us.

I got my copy!!!! I will start tonight.

Janice wrote: "Chapters 4-10
Caeden - [spoilers removed]
Asha - [spoilers removed]
Davian - [spoilers removed]"

Caden - (view spoiler)[ No, I do not think we had those snake-like creatures before. I do not remember any Shalis nor anything about a Forge before. It seems that some new things introduced in this book are NOT in the Glossary although Shalis is there, but nothing about a Forge. Ordan is mentioned as the creature who trained Tal'kamar to use Essence. (hide spoiler)]

Asha (view spoiler)[ the dok'en dreamworld is the place Caeden created for himself for his mind to go, when he was to enter the tributary. It is supposed to be users' "happy place" to keep their mind off of the terrible pain their body is in. Is's dok'en failed and that is why she went crazy. It was never explained why, but I suspect that it was not robust enough to last 2 thousand years. The only thing that is not explained is the Shift. Is it the machine turing the body? (hide spoiler)]

Davian (view spoiler)[I did not understand why Nethgalla exposed herself to Davian. (hide spoiler)]

Janice wrote: "Chapter 11 - 15

(view spoiler)[I don't trust Scyner or Nethgalla. I think Caeden is wise to keep him at arm's length. There's an all out campaign to find out where Asha's tributary is.

I had to laugh when Caed.. (hide spoiler)]."

Re Caeden - (view spoiler)[ I agree about not trusting Scyner nor Nethgalla, but it seems like the are doing things for him. I do not understand How could he have been surprised? He created the dok'en. He created Elli - and yes, my question was answered. Elli is the memory of his wife. I think he was surprised at being attacked and just caught off guard seeing Elli (hide spoiler)]

Katrisa wrote: "I finished ch 1-2 [spoilers removed]"
I think we just have to try to remember and go on and on. ;o)

Janice wrote: "Chapter 16-21
(view spoiler)[ Did Davian sacrifice himself, knowing that Caeden would kill him, causing a critical shift in Caeden's outlook?

I'm glad that Asha is going to be released from the tributary. And ... (hide spoiler)]"

Re Davian (view spoiler)[ I have not figured it out yet either. It seems that Davian did change how Tal thought about things after, but I think we need to wait until we know what time he comes from and where and how he gets there to confront him. (hide spoiler)]

Re Asha (view spoiler)[ I do not understand how she is going to be released and I am not sure the oath that Tal/Caeden signed is such a good thing. It is too confusing trying to keep up with who is working with whom at this point. (hide spoiler)]

Whew - once you read ahead of where you previously posted, it is hard to go back and remember what/where you wanted to comment.

Chapter 20 (view spoiler)[I think it is interesting that the dok'en environment allows for things to change. Asha can work with Elli to train her mind and body to get stronger and quicker and learn how to manipulate essence and Caeden's initial input of Elli can change and learn new things. Caeden can only know those things from talking to Elli - it is not a direct memory. There is a lot in this chapter being talked about. While I am writing, I feel like I need to go back and read it - maybe all of it. (hide spoiler)] I am going back although it kills me. I want to go faster than my head can keep up with.

I didn't read any of the book today. I'm taking a bit of a break from it.

I read the recap. Nice to have events in a chronological order.

Today was another lost day for reading. My brother phoned and there was an hour of my reading time gone.

I got up through ch 8 today. (view spoiler)[ The do'ken reminds me of the dogan in the Dark Tower series. Asha has some big decisions coming up. (hide spoiler)]
I usually use my home commute to listen to this book. but by the time I get home, work out, eat dinner and sit down at my computer I have lost a lot of what I listened to on the way home. It's ok though - I'll at least get some of it lol!

There is no rush, Janice. I feel the same way about some books. You just need a break from them at times.

Chapter 6 (view spoiler)[ I think the Venerate must have used Davian’s link with Caeden (when he read Malassh’s mind) to get into the dok’en. They had hem for a year, to study him. What I don’t understand is why they want Asha to stay in the Tributary. As long as she is there, the boundary stays up. (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 7 (view spoiler)[ Nice to know that Caden is still alive although I don’t understand why Scyner went looking for him or wants to help him. (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 7 (view spoiler)[the dream. Alchesh seems like a nice guy. Interesting that Tal/Caeden thought that the barrier would only be needed for ten years. Cyr could get out IF he wanted to???? They are at seven years after Tal killed Davian in Deilannis, before the boundary goes up that Tal is taking Alchesh to the Forge to see if they can find some kind of proof that they could not go back and what, start over? Interesting that Tal has “saved” people that they had been fighting against time often time. He really is a confusing guy. All the Venerate know about Davian and that Tal kills him and yet they are still fighting after 2K years! They were close to the end?? (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 7(view spoiler)[ so much in this chapter Isiliar is “lost”? Tal must have her sequestered somewhere in a Tributary already, although it must not have been turned on yet? Oh, a Shalis is still alive! (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 8 (view spoiler)[Scyner is definitely helping Tal/Caeden. What I do not quite get from the previous chapters, is when did the Jah’vett get destroyed? In this dream/memory, they are still fighting the Darcians, right? Or were the Venerate fighting among themselves and the Darcians had already built the stupid thing and Tal blew it up? Well, we know where the Dar’gaithi n came from (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 8(view spoiler)[ The Venerate are immortal because of their link to the Forge, regardless of how it was done. The Shalis were too but they were killed??? Somehow their renewal was different than the Venerate’s. The Severs were their link and destroying it kept them from returning. They thought that the Darklands was a “between” space between their living existence and a “better” place. That is what I gotta out of it anyway. Alchesh took 13 strands. Must be why there are always 13 Augurs somehow. After he died, 13 new Augurs were “made” in new bodies. Hmmm. (hide spoiler)]

re: up to chapter 3
(view spoiler)[Lots of pieces falls into place. As you mention. Wyrr attack, etc.
As always I am not sure what to think of that conversation/fight between Caeden and Alaris. If there is one thing that confuses me in the whole series it is the Venerate.

Now, Davian is pretty much stuck in an impossible situation. Who is he going to fight in the arena?
Is Fessi really dead?
(hide spoiler)]

Chapter 9 (view spoiler)[ When DID Davian have his vision of himself fighting Grassandrid? I can’t figure Nethgalla oou! (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 10(view spoiler)[ Did Davian’s mark disappeare because he is in a time before he got his mark or because of where he is? What happened to Theshesseth? (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 22 - 26

(view spoiler)[What time frame is Davian's imprisonment in the strange land? Tal'kamar arrives and Davian seeks him out. He doesn't recognize him in this incantation, and when he talks to him, it sounds like it's not the present time.

This is one of the things that really bothers me about this series, is the way it jumps to different time periods without warning. (hide spoiler)]

Janice wrote: "Chapter 22 - 26

(view spoiler)[What time frame is Davian's imprisonment in the strange land? Tal'kamar arrives and Davian seeks him out. He doesn't recognize him in this incantation, and when he talks to him, it (hide spoiler)]..."

I could not figure it out (view spoiler)[ It is definately not in the "present" time. (hide spoiler)] and I with agree with your comment.

In chapter 10 (view spoiler)[ I missed it the first time. There were at least 100 dar’gaithin bodies pinned to the buildings, maybe more. Wow! (hide spoiler)]

Cherie wrote: "In chapter 10 [spoilers removed]"

Yes, that was shocking.

Chapter 27 - (view spoiler)[ I really don't like Scyner, yet he seems to be working with Caeden. I wonder if it's not a case of him claiming he's working with Caeden more than he really is. Yet, the augers read him and said he's telling the truth. I really hated what he did to Ischelle. (hide spoiler)]