Debates discussion

beee niceee

I very much agree.
Being there is great! But how should we talk them out of it, then?

we need more suicide awareness and people (at school, work, etc) that are aware of the matter and its harmfulness. a staff at school once said I was looking for attention when I said I was suicidal. we need people that don't do that

Gracel wrote: "qibli ✰ wrote: "we need more suicide awareness and people (at school, work, etc) that are aware of the matter and its harmfulness. a staff at school once said I was looking for attention when I sai..."

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This is tangentially related. It is a discussion on gen z
https://youtu.be/Mc47CMImA8E

This is a discussion on Canadian assisted suicide:
https://youtu.be/9Tbpgcd_WJI

These are the leading causes of death in Canada:
Cancer
80,973
Heart disease
53,704
COVID-19
16,151
Accidents
15,508
Cerebrovascular diseases
13,695
Chronic lower respiratory diseases
11,722
Diabetes
7,566
Flu and pneumonia
5,931
Alzheimer's disease
5,743
Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis
4,173

In 2021, there were 10,064 MAID provisions reported in Canada, accounting for 3.3% of all deaths in Canada.
The number of cases of MAID in 2021 represents a growth rate of 32.4% over 2020. All provinces continue to experience a steady year over year growth.
When all data sources are considered, the total number of medically assisted deaths reported in Canada since the Parliament of Canada passed federal legislation that allows eligible Canadian adults to request medical assistance in dying in 2016 is 31,664.
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canad...

So assuming the list Abby provided was for 2021 that would put Maid as the 6th highest killer in Canada. That does also mean my original post was wrong so I'll delete it.

What exactly is wrong with medically assisted suicide? Because you don’t to choose life it is selfishly forced upon you so if you don’t like life and you don’t want to live dying seems like a logical thing to do. Also it is a great resource for people who are suffering and don’t have a good quality of life. There is also a long process to getting approved, you have to talk to multiple medical professionals and talk about other options and give written consent multiple times it’s not like you pop in to your doctors office and say you want them assist your death.

This website has a lot of information on the process and qualifications:

https://www.dyingwithdignity.ca/end-o...

I think MAID and suicide are two completely different things. Do we have a topic for MAID? I feel like we do...

ANYWAYS whether or not MAID is okay, suicide is not fine. It is not good for the person is so miserable that dying is better than living another day. Yes, suicide is selfish, but we need to be doing more for the people who feel they have to make such drastic decisions...

Wait how is suicide selfish?

Abby wrote: "Wait how is suicide selfish?"

Because it hurts a lot of other people. It is a deliberate choice to remove yourself from a situation and it affects a lot of other people in the process. Family. Friends. People who rely on you. I'm not saying that that's the only problem with suicide as clearly the fact that it happens in the first place is an issue, but it isn't just about the person who decides to commit it. I feel like that probably sounds harsh, I'm not trying to be harsh, it's the reality.

Just because it hurts people doesn’t mean it’s selfish. Your not responsible for other people ( unless it’s a child you forced life upon) your not responsible for their feelings or lives you are responsible for one person and that is you. And it is a problem that life and society sucks so much people want to to die and take their own lives.

Abby wrote: "Just because it hurts people doesn’t mean it’s selfish. Your not responsible for other people ( unless it’s a child you forced life upon) your not responsible for their feelings or lives you are re..."

Just because we are responsible for ourselves doesn't mean we can just disregard the feelings of others entirely. There's a reason that it's wrong to be mean, to bully, to attack others - it's hurtful. So yes, it's a massive problem that our society has fallen to the point that suicide is better than life, but it's still a selfish decision.

suicide isn’t selfish, your just self centered if you think it is

The thing I don’t like about maids is that many suicidal people just need help or are looking for help. So when we add a government agency on top of that. They are killing people they could be saving. I already have heard many stories of people dying from Maids on accident or being offered it.

A wheelchair bound Canadian veteran was offered maids when it was taking the VA too long to install a moterized lift to go up her stairs.

A Canadian veteran with PTSD was prescribed maids when talking to the VA and was told that it was a normal thing and they had assisted another veteran to die even though he had a wife and kids.

A friend of a man was checked into a hospital because he was feeling depressed and told his friend to come visit him and help him get out because he didn’t want to die. Two weeks later he was dead due to maids.

An old man was checked into a hospital falsely diagnosed with cancer and then given maids. Only after the autopsy did they realize he did not have cancer.

Maids is supposed to be a money saving thing and it seems evil to me.

qibli ✰ wrote: "suicide isn’t selfish, your just self centered if you think it is"

Interesting take! Why do you say that? Can you expand more?

i could, but first, how do you feel abt the thought of someone so emotionally hurt that they feel death is the only way out?

qibli ✰ wrote: "i could, but first, how do you feel abt the thought of someone so emotionally hurt that they feel death is the only way out?"

I feel extremely sad for them and truly want to help them. I do understand why people commit suicide. Truly, I do, I just try to look at it not only from the hurting person's standpoint but also from those they are close to. I'm not trying to condemn suicidal people at all. I'm just pointing out that it hurts others too.

i agrée with all that, i’m just saying it’s not selfish because most of the time, the person trying to commit thinks it’s the best for the people they love, and their mentally ill, so it’s not like their always in the right mindset

qibli ✰ wrote: "i agrée with all that, i’m just saying it’s not selfish because most of the time, the person trying to commit thinks it’s the best for the people they love, and their mentally ill, so it’s not like..."

And I'm not saying they are, at all. I'm not even saying they're consciously making a selfish decision. I'm just saying that by nature suicide is selfish, not that the people committing it are trying to be. Did that make sense?...

yes i agree with your idea now :)

it’s a selfish idea but the people doing it aren’t selfish