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As far as the tracks, I had that issue once with a book from one of those services, of the tracks showing up randomly as songs. I got around it by listening to my songs in alphabetical order starting after the audiobook title. It was just as good a random mix as "shuffle" would be and I had enough songs to not come back to the book till I wanted to. I think the book tracks were in the right numerical order but I don't remember.
All of this was because I like to listen on an iPod nano rather than a phone or speaker. It is old technology but the tiny size (about 1.5 inches square) is so much more portable. I download the books from Audible or other service to my computer and from there to my iPod. This also means that if I choose to, I can keep the audiobook forever on my computer even if Audible has a fight with the publisher and withdraws it. I assume that at some point, Audible will stop this possibility and require listening from their app. They already changed it so that I can't review any book I didn't listen to from the app. But a phone is too darned big to carry around all the time while exercising, doing housework, etc. Of course Apple no longer makes the iPod, so when they stop working after a while, I buy used ones on eBay for about $50. (I guess I am a slow adapter, I stuck with cassettes forever and kept buying Walkman players on eBay, too!)

Oh thank you for pointing out some of the nuances. I didn't notice the 15 hours limit. It will work for me because I'm really only listening when I'm walking my dog or in the car (RARELY). But I won't plan on using it for finishing any tags or anything like that - - more like a way to squeeze in an extra non-fiction read that I'm interested in, but there's no time pressure.
It does feel like "free" so that's the main attraction.
It seems to be working well, but there's no way to play it faster like I believe you can with Audible.

As far as the tr..."
Thank you for sharing your experiences! I love those Nanos. It's sad when some of the good technologies vanish . . .I agree they are SO portable.


I don't normally do audiobooks, but since this is included, I might give it a try when I go to see my daughter since that is a 2 hour drive.

Oh if you figure out how you sped it up, please come back and share! I looked, but couldn't figure it out, and I will say the reader of the Isaacson book is pretty slow. Nice and expressive, but slow.
So glad to hear you are also enjoying this new feature!

I don't norma..."
This was exactly how I felt! Not really a normal user of audiobooks, but so many popular titles for free is making this hard to resist for me.

I haven't tried any of the audiobooks. I doubt I would be able to transfer them to my mp3 player, and without being able to do that, the audiobooks would be useless to me.
ETA: I see (now that I've read the other comments!) I am similar to Robin this way. I agree with her on all counts - it's much smaller and more portable than a phone... of course, I don't even have a smartphone, so... my only other options are my PC (obviously not portable at all!) or my tablet (way too bulky).


Oh, I figured out how to speed things up! I don't know why I didn't see it before; so weird, but thanks to you - - I kept looking. I will try it tomorrow!

Oh good! I hope it can be helpful during your recovery. I was surprised that I could just immediately access so many popular titles with no wait times.



So I am totally not into audio either. I have only tried it once before, about 15 years ago. I don't think I could do fiction with it at all. But I have been slowly listening to some podcasts, and for non-fiction topics, I seem to be able to listen and absorb enough. Is it as pleasurable for me as reading? um, NO. But it sure is time efficient.
I'm only on chapter 6 of my non-fiction book, and it's been working while walking my dog. However, Walter Isaacson is a very linear biographer -- who uses simple straightforward prose. So I'm starting easy.

I bought this soft cushion holder for my husband from Amazon that performs a similar function though it works better with Kindle where the pages don't need to be held open.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09G3HZYWC?...

Yes, to pillows on my lap, one behind my head-It is much more comfortable!

That looks perfect Anita! Thank you!


I haven't tried any of the audiobooks. I doubt I would be able to tr..."
Cin, it's getting hard to live without a smartphone. For instance, if you go on a trip, sometimes the only way you will now if the airline changed your flight is by text. I have a friend who resisted getting a cell phone at all but when she traveled it was a big problem. And so many services now require an app. Also some tickets are only sent by phone, there is no option to print one out.
I regularly help a friend who is disabled and the only way to set up the Amazon Echo device, so that she could use Alexa to ask questions and listen to music, was through an app. I ended up having to do this on my phone. Same problem for my brother, who has bad eyesight, doing things by phone is virtually impossible. Many of these processes are inaccessible to anyone with a disability or who doesn't want to spend money on a smart phone.

Neck posture ...
That's why I read clunkers sitting at the kitchen table. I prop the book up and use a neck pillow (like you use when traveling on an airplane) ... but BACKWARDS ... so the curve is under my chin. Forces me to keep my head up. Also, the table is a convenient spot for some paper and pen (for jotting notes) and the beverage of my choice.


Great, well done!

Cin, it's getting hard to live without a smartphone. .."
I know you're right. And I likely won't have a choice soon, with 3G going away. My phone/internet provider already sent me a note that I'd have to upgrade my flip phone.
In multiple studies over the years, it has shown that Canada is one of the most expensive places for smartphones and/or plans.
I don't want to upgrade. I still don't even want a cell phone at all. If it wasn't for work's 2-factor authentication recently, I'd be tempted to just cancel the cell phone altogether and not use one at all.
Tickets - I've already come across that. My friend had them on her phone. Setting up the google nest mini (it was a gift) - yup, had to have a friend help me set that up. My tablet (at the time) was too old to use the app, but I do have a newer tablet now that will be able to do some things.
Travel. Yup - that sucks. I haven't gone anywhere in 5 years because of my cat (who is gone now). I will be travelling at Christmas, but by bus (still way cheaper). But, with that trip to Minneapolis next year, I was still trying to figure out what I would do.,.


Yes, exactly. And I think insisting on smart phones is an accessibility issue for people with physical disabilities, eyesight issues, learning disabilities, etc. Yes, you can set up some voice controls but somebody else would have to do the setup. Cost isn't so much of a problem in the US. Most cell phone carriers have deals where you pay for the phone with your monthly plan, or you even get it at no charge, if you don't need the latest and fanciest phone, as long as you stay with the provider for 2 years or whatever. Actually several people I know, including my friend and my brother, shouldn't even have smart phones, because all they use them for is making and getting calls, and they don't remember how to or can't be bothered to check their messages. They don't travel or buy tickets so a flip phone would actually be better for them.

Yeah, they do that here, too, but those plans are just so expensive. :-(
I'd love to keep my flip phone, but they are telling me it's soon not going to work at all. It sounds like that will be the case for all flip phones, at least here.

That's why we finally got smart phones ... got the message that they would no longer support 3G products and we would have to upgrade. We mostly use them as phones (though I have succumbed to the ease of checking email). We don't play games, watch videos, read or listen to books on them (another MP3 player aficionado here). We elected to buy our phones. We bought the absolutely cheapest one we could that was "unlocked" (meaning we were not required to go with company A or company B but could go anywhere for the plan). We still have a land line and that's the number we give everyone. And, of course, every business tries to text us there!

LOL Cin, there are yoga pants with pockets now:
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=yoga+pants...

LOL Cin, there are yoga pants with pockets now:
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=y..."
I LIVE in yoga pants with pockets lol. Best thing ever.

The one kicker is if you have a Duo (2 person) or family (multi-user) plan, the 15 free hours only apply to the "plan holder". My husband "manages" our spotify duo membership, and the only way for me to get the 15 hours on my spotify account instead of his is to cancel our membership, and reopen a new one with me as the plan holder. Seems silly- but I have GOT TO GET MY HANDS on the Britney Spears memoir (sitting at 500+ on the library waitlist)- so we likely will be jumping through the hoops so I can get the 15 free hours per month.

It also is very handy outside work.
It's pretty much always with me or within reach. I rarely am out without a purse of some kind - I don't really like pockets as in women's clothing they are just too shallow 90% of the time -- even if just a small over the shoulder bag just big enough for ID, phone, reading glasses, keys, credit card, metrocard (even if I'm just taking a walk, I have reading glasses on because I can't read anything without them).
I occasionally listen to audio books or music on it but only when traveling. I do read books on it when out and about. I don't play games nor watch anything on it except an occasional video link on Social Media or that is sent to me by friends, family, or work. I do take videos and photos - so handy at a closing to get a picture of a check that was left out of the copy pile. I also have attended meetings using zoom and such apps.
Tessa can attest to my using it on our road trip -- to find restaurants, verify directions, and conduct conference calls as we drove along. It was very handy.
I love having a smart phone, I have a great very reasonable plan and own my phone. I also keep my phones for longer than a lot of people do. No need to update everytime a new model comes out.
And after resisting initially, I have updated to the new OMNY app replacing the Metrocard. LOVE it! For those unfamiliar, NY is converting to tap and go using app on phone, to be effective across the system by end of 2024. Now, you can elect to use either a dedicated credit card instead, or you can actually purchase an OMNY card that is essentially an MTA use only credit card, so those who don't have smart phones or don't want one can use something else that will be similar to using a metrocard. That sounds to me like a way to inclusivity concerns.
I always have my phone in my hand when taking the MTA - I'm either using the app to check status of next bus or subway, reading emails, catching up on GR and FB, or reading. No more fumbling for a metrocard!

Yeah, I'm hoping to find a cheap used one. I have a friend who says he should be able to make (certain brands and models of) Androids last longer than they otherwise would.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=y..."
I LIVE in yoga pants with pockets lol. Best thing ever...."
Ah, ok. Well, I still don't want to carry a big bulky phone in my pocket, anyway. My little (smaller than a business card, though of course, slightly wider) mp3 player is much smaller and lighter and less bulky.

Can't you log in with your husband's info, especially if he isn't using the service at the time?

Yes, You don't even need the app to use NYC OMNY. It was so great when I was there in September. I could just tap my credit card and immediately go through. If you use the same card all week and get over a certain number of rides (10?), you get the rest of the week free. For visitors, it is great because you don't have to figure out how many rides to buy, use a machine to get them, etc.

Technically yes, however we both are huge Spotify users (like both use it daily for drives, at work, podcasts for working out, ect..) and our profiles have curated playlists, suggestions, ect for our individual music taste. We also both listen to podcasts (some of the same ones), and this would get funky on who has listened to what and where in the podcast we left off if we share one account.
He would not be happy if in the midst of his top played came my musical soundtracks in between his rap songs, and I would not be happy if his metal came up in my Taylor Swift Spotify curated daily playlist, LOL.

Sounds convenient to me! South Korea has had the tap and go via phone attachment, so you just wave your phone to tap and go. I've heard they're planning on a bluetooth enabled contactless system also, but don't' know too much about it. With that being said the old school card system still works for those without smartphones or phones at all.


The Elon Musk book with it's short chapters and excellent reader gave me more confidence. Unfortunately the book I'm trying next - - also non-fiction - - it much harder. The reader has a sing-song tone that is monotonous, and there's a lot of data. But practice makes perfect.
When you ask what do you think about those who buy spotify plans, I'm not quite sure what you mean? I am paying for a plan. It gives you 15 hours per month for a nice selection of books, but beyond that, I would need to buy special credits. I could see this leading me to make some purchases I otherwise wouldn't have without some practice with listening! I am hoping I get better at it over time . . .
Does that make sense?

Suddenly yesterday, without changing pricing, it has boatloads of audio books available. I am not really a good auditory learner, but I am slightly intrigued just because it feels free with zero work/learning curve.
I figured that while I really don’t think I enjoy consuming fiction in this manner, maybe non fiction (where plot is not really the point) could work.
I am trying the Walter Isaacson Elon Musk biography. We’ll see how this experiment goes.