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The Gemma Doyle Trilogy > Kartik and Gemma (TSFT Spoilers)

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message 1: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
I thought there should be a post for this because there's a lot of talk about it, so tell me what you think about the ending between Gem and Kartik, if Gem can see Kartik or if he has entered the world beyond the realms, and will Gem ever love again.


message 2: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
True, and just, honestly, who could be better than Kartik? When thats question is answered I might think Gemma will love again. Yes, I agree she should be given the chance, ONLY IF she wants it though. And I don't think she would. Maybe once, but not more than three times, that she would be in a relationship.


message 3: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
Hmmm, you might have something there... I absoutley LOVED how she can feel the wind on her skin, saying her name and its the most beautiful sound in the world. I loved it. I don't know, I'm not exacrtly sure I want her to move on though, I don't want her to be really whiny or anything, and she lives happily just, with Kartik in her dreams, and can feel him in the light but not see him, and feel the wind on her skin.


message 4: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
About Jessalina's last message, I wouldn't say "haunted" because I think Gemma still loves him and of course she wants to see him. But yes, I definetly agree that she probably can't love again, because she is constantly remembering him, and loving him.


message 5: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
I think she should be given the chance to love again for sure. But I agree with Jessalina on this one, no love will be as strong as Kartik.


message 6: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
I honestly, don't think there would be anyone who could compete with Kartike anyways. I mean, when a guy gives up his very life for yours, you know he really loved you, and that would be hard to beat.


message 7: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
Yes, she def feels gulity, Kartik seems like he is constantly trying to tell her to live on, and that's very hard for her. Yes, it would be hard for that boy to prove his love, but I don't think Kartik dying was proving his love, it's a completely different thing altogether. He loves her, he feels purpose, he saves her. I don't know how you would describe what he did, but all I can say is that is was beautiful. Although I think Gemma should be given the chance, I cannot see her fall in love again.

PS: I think there is only one awful thing about this book, that no guy could possibly ever compete with Kartik!


message 8: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
I think he CHANGED his destiny, after all, Amar told him that "he'd be the death of her" and he changed it! I think the Simon thing was part acting part real jealously, but I don't think it really mattered. They fought for each other because they loved each other. Not because they were drived by jealously.


message 9: by Allie, A hopeless romantic who doesn't believe in love (new)

Allie (pearlrose95) | 3724 comments Mod
I cried when he died. cried. That was the third time I'd cried reading a book ever. I loved Kartik, I hope Gemma will never love again because they were so perfect together and they loved each other so much.


message 10: by Allie, A hopeless romantic who doesn't believe in love (new)

Allie (pearlrose95) | 3724 comments Mod
or if she does, it won't be as much as Kartik and he'll always be first


message 11: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
I hope she never does either. So they can be together in the afterlife. So she can always remember the wind.


message 12: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
I was just thinking about this, and I remembered she came back from The Three because of him. She came back for him. She loved him. (Crying). Why does one of the best books I've ever read have to end in tragedy? Why does first love's ending have to be inevitable?


message 13: by Kristin (new)

Kristin When I finished reading TSFT I was thinking the same things as you guys. At least I know that I am not crazy!LOL! I agree that she should be given another chance at love. And i think that even if she does love again that she will still have a place in her that will always belong to Kartik.:p


message 14: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
Yes, I've stil been trying to come to terms with it all. With first love's ending. With life's begining. It's hard to accept. But Libba is genius enough to show us one of the hardest life lessons. She knows that the best books are the ones that make you smile, laugh, scream, cry and bleed.


message 15: by Kristin (new)

Kristin True that!:)


message 16: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
:). Sorry, I get really deep about these things, I love these books!


message 17: by Jenny (new)

Jenny (kutiegirl106) | 3104 comments Mod
I can not see her loving another guy. I'm sorry, its just their love is just to special to try to replace with a new love. And I don't think she should like move on and forget about him. I think she should go through her life and remember the good times with him. Like when she gave him her fathers cricket bat and watched him play with it, when they went to the indian restaurant, when they danced at the barn, (*sniff* *sniff*) when they were in the Thames, and then there was the caves of sighs! The dream and when he said "To each his own" after Gemma gave him magic. Gemma should just go on through her life and remember how lucky she was that she got to be with him.


message 18: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
But Gemma deserves to love again. She deserves that much. She should remember, but move on. I can't imagine another man, but I'm working on it. I'm trying to make a decision and conclusion to Gemma's story in my mind.


message 19: by Jenny (new)

Jenny (kutiegirl106) | 3104 comments Mod
Yeah, but think about every time they....ya know. She would be thinking about Kartik the entire time.


message 20: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
Still though, she deserves it, and she will find one.


message 21: by Jenny (new)

Jenny (kutiegirl106) | 3104 comments Mod
I know, but if I were her. Even if I deserved it I wouldn't want one. I'd become like Jane Austen and never get married.


message 22: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
Haha, I don't know...


message 23: by Jenny (last edited Jul 26, 2008 04:29PM) (new)

Jenny (kutiegirl106) | 3104 comments Mod
Emma what would you want if you were Gemma, not just reading her story? Living it.


message 24: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
I don't know....can't decide...


message 25: by Jenny (new)

Jenny (kutiegirl106) | 3104 comments Mod
See. I mean it would be nice to love again. But,...it would just remind me of Kartik even more.


message 26: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
I can't decide.


message 27: by Kristin (new)

Kristin Well, sorry for butting in but I think you have to see it from a different perspective. About six years ago my mom died. My dad loved her, and I believe he still loves her. My dad Was miserable toughs first days, months, and years. He was lonely and then he met Karen. I am sure he remembers all the good times he had with my mom. I think he still Loves my mom but also loves Karen. I think everyone needs someone to love always to take away the pain of losing love.


message 28: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
Kristin, I'm very sorry for your loss. I agree with you, you can love two people at the same time, and that doesn't take away from the previous love.


message 29: by Jenny (last edited Jul 26, 2008 04:38PM) (new)

Jenny (kutiegirl106) | 3104 comments Mod
Exactly. You know what I had this cool like...idea. I realized that I would be okay with the ending if like...(ok this is where it gets really weird) after Gem died. Gemma and Kartik came to me and told me that everything was alright and that they were together. Yes, I know it sounds weird but it makes me feel better. Even though its just a book.


message 30: by Jenny (last edited Jul 26, 2008 04:41PM) (new)

Jenny (kutiegirl106) | 3104 comments Mod
Okay, Kristen I agree with you.


message 31: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
But that would mean Gemma wasn't strong enough to move on. And Gemma is strong.


message 32: by Jenny (new)

Jenny (kutiegirl106) | 3104 comments Mod
Sigh, Emma. After Gemma died. And its for me to feel better. Not for her too.


message 33: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
Haha, still though....I picture Gemma moving on and having a wonderful but painful life.


message 34: by Kristin (last edited Jul 26, 2008 04:41PM) (new)

Kristin Ya, I guess that would also help me with the ending. Or i guess have me like it better. But now that i think about is it I love the ending. Its beautiful when you think about it.


message 35: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
It is.


message 36: by Kristin (new)

Kristin But I also thought the same thing as Emma. I thought she might go into teaching or something.


message 37: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
Really? I pictured her as a writer.


message 38: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
Talking about the realms and her life. Her pain. I wouldn't want Gemma to die. She's stronger than that. And it would mean Kartik's sacrifice was in vain.


message 39: by Kristin (new)

Kristin Ya, I can see her as that to.


message 40: by Jenny (new)

Jenny (kutiegirl106) | 3104 comments Mod
Like Nightwing? And I think its beautiful too. I mean I guess even if I could change the ending I wouldn't. Because it fits perfectly.


message 41: by Jenny (new)

Jenny (kutiegirl106) | 3104 comments Mod
I'm talking about like 80 years later when she is like 108 she dies and they come to me.


message 42: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
It's beautiful, painful, and above all, amazing. I couldn't see her as a teacher. She would hate that job.


message 43: by Kristin (new)

Kristin Ya, I'm glad she didn't die. That would be just to sad of an ending.


message 44: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
Ohhhh! Now that's awesome. Because I think she will live in the world beyond the realms with Kartik.


message 45: by Jenny (new)

Jenny (kutiegirl106) | 3104 comments Mod
I know, I guess my problem with her moving on and loving another guy is when they die and they go to the after life. Gem will have Kartik and that guy. And it would just be too wierd for me.


message 46: by Kristin (new)

Kristin That would be awesome!


message 47: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
I don't think so, the man would have Gemma when she was alive and Kartik in the afterlife.


message 48: by Jenny (new)

Jenny (kutiegirl106) | 3104 comments Mod
Yeah, but the man would have to go to the afterlife to Emma. Its not awesome for me, it can be for you though Kristen.


message 49: by Kristin (new)

Kristin Sorry slow typer i meant awesome for 108 years thing.sorry


message 50: by Emma (new)

Emma  Blue (litlover) | 5135 comments Mod
True, but I'm postive that that man would've had a first love as well, who he could spend the afterlife with.


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